Is Clark even aware?
 

Would he care if he were aware? I'm wondering if we need to tattle on the idiots over at Arrowhead.

I haven't the time, but maybe if someone were to print all the kcchiefs.com columns in which Chiefs fans are insulted and degraded and highlight the specific lines that seem over-the-top. Send it to Clark in Dallas or where ever he's residing these days. Perhaps that would impact his offseason decisions.

Insulting the fan-base is so chicken-shit it's embarrassing. I wonder what would happen if I started insulting my customers two or three times a week. These homeowners are so stupid they don't deserve to even own homes. Wow.

Is this a dumb idea?

I think the behavior coming out of One Arrowhead is just pathetic. I've followed the Chiefs and NFL in general for as long as I've had access to a television. But I'm very quickly being driven to watch Saturday football and it has little to do with how badly my Chiefs are performing.

The Chiefs aren't going to the SB unless he sells the team.

if Clark doesn't know then he doesn't really want to know.

I don't want Rufus and Gretz replaced, I want Carl and Herm replaced.

The general attitude of management is offensive. They take the fans for granted and the only thing that is going to force a change is a loss of revenue or some pulic display of attempted shame. Too late for either this year.

If Carl is replaced, those idiots go too.

I doubt Clark even lives in the US.

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I could not agree more Phil. There is no excuse for the behavior of that particular web site. The propoganda coming from that electronic fishwrap rivals that of flyers dropped from bi-planes in 1937.

I think he's living in the state of Denial.

how do ST renewals work? do they mail out a form or what? if they do, and you dont want your seats back, mail in some of these articles with the empty renewal.... at least the minimum wage workers will get a kick out of it.

As for public displays... if Herm/Carl are still here next year we should organize a parking lot display and have letters on the tops of cars spell out interesting statements in the parking lots... they will show it at least once with the blimp/plane cam.

It looks like he lives in Fredericksted, Virgin Islands according to my research. Probably a huge tax shelter.

Isn't the real question: does Clark even care?

"He is married and has three children, which were all taken care of by the world-famous chef Anna Rau for a year's time in 2006."

Clark did this, too? Darn, I was under the impression that I was the only one.

Do you want to collect names again and write my pal Clark another letter?

Exactly!

How can we reach him?

You can't.

With a 200 foot pole wrapped in $100 bills.

FRP.

I mostly drop in to read when someone last shit their pants threads. Never seen another organization do damage control with writers and blame the fans like this one. I'd say Clark should contribute to that thread.

Clark does not care people.

I don't think that's true at all. If you owned thirdsies in a 1,000,000,000 conglomerate, you'd probably be interested in important developments even if your most trusted henchman were running it. I guarantee he cares. If he didn't, he'd send a lackey to NFL meetings, which he doesn't.

He will start caring when expenses exceed income.

He may not care now, but my guess he would care if Pos or someone wrote an article bashing Clark and Peterson for creating an atmosphere in which this stuff can happen. The one thing these super-rich people care about is being publicly worshipped. Ripping Clark in the KC Star for being classless and deranged for allowing this crap might get the ball rolling.

I think it was Pos's ripping of David Glass publicly that caused him to completely change the way he ran the Royals.

Which will never happen even if there isn't a single person in the stadium.

I was an eagle fan growing up. I freaking wanted to see the chiefs embarrassed. Then around my 20's I turned to the chiefs because they were the home team and i thought that it was important to support local people and it was important for local moral and civic pride. I also get the feeling that everyone always thinks everything in kc/st joe sucks and we suck and we should move to the coasts to go somewhere better. I treid to make everything better, my college, root for the chiefs, royals etc. This kind of shit just makes me want to get the F out of kc. It is embarrassing insulting and hurtful. people work their asses off to support the team.

Oh, really?! ;)

This should be studied by sports marketing classes at universities across the country. Seriously is there another professional sports franchise in America that goes this out of their way to attack fans and media the way the Chiefs do?

It is a case study in arrogance in its rarist form

The psychology departments should be studying the fans as well to find out why we enjoy rape.

That's true due to the television contracts and revenue sharing but these people are wise businessmen. They want to make every revenue generating element profitable. If they're seeing a red area in the ledger, it's going to get some serious scrutiny.

I never really gave any thought to the notion that Clark might up and move the franchise in the middle of the night, ala the Baltimore Colts, but listening more and more to the pathetic drivel leaking out of the front offices at Arrowhead these days is starting to make me wonder.

Sad but true. Carl Peterson has been the Bill Bidwell of the AFC, just with a fan base that supports the team.

For some reason, when some Chiefs-related mouthpiece points out that some portion of the fan base is filled with cry babies and spoiled, fair weather fans, I don't feel insulted. Maybe it's because I know I'm not one of them.

Maybe it helps if you recognize that the Chiefs are really Clark's baby to do with as he pleases and that you have the option to turn your back on the team at any time you see fit (preferably without resort to the self-pity act in the process). I doubt that the Chiefs are in any real danger of permanently losing their fan base. All they need is a successful team and their seats will be full again whether it's with the same butts or different butts. Every butt's green spends the same so what difference does it make? I plan on sticking it out through the lean years. Hopefully they won't last anywhere near as long as the Steadman era.

Well Said!

That's a good point, patteeu. I've often said that anybody who is paying attention to the Chiefs can't be a bandwagoner. Which means anybody reading this is a "true fan". Hence, I don't feel like my own toes are being stepped upon. However, I don't like the condescension and arrogance coming from the talking heads at One Arrowhead. They're in a position where humility would go a long way. Their heading should be locked there until they do something about which they can be arrogant.

it's called arrogance


everyone is stupid but me
everyone deserves what they get but me
he's insulting everyone but me





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Yeah, I probably should have made clear that I wasn't pointing the finger at any particular planeteer, too.

I hear what you're saying. For their own self-interest, they need to be concerned with PR, but aside from what goes on in this hotbed of intense Chiefs scrutiny (i.e. ChiefsPlanet), I'm not sure they're really impacting their fanbase all that much with anything they say on kcchiefs.com, positive or negative. I think the success of the team on the field is overwhelmingly more important than those articles and I think they will have no problem re-uniting with a full house when they put a winner back on the field.

LMAO

And if you don't feel insulted?

I wouldn't worry. They had to sign a new lease to get the Stadium improvements, IIRC.

Yeah, true. It would be dumb to up and move with the rennovations.

dunno .... i can't tell what you're thinking

but i look at it this way....


Gretz just insulted the Chiefs fan base


if you don't feel insulted then:


A. You generally don't feel insulted by what anyone says for whatever reason

B. you don't feel like part of said fan base

C. you somehow feel "better" than the rest of the fan base so that the insult somehow doesn't apply to you.


just my opinion :shrug:

I think your chances of getting one of the writers from ESPN or Sporting News to write/announce something and having Clark pick up on are better than getting to Clark.

Assuming he gives a shit.

This fact does not mean that he cares what we think or how we feel.

Well you probably can. :)

They are going to look pretty silly in their newly renovated stadium when 10,000 people show up.

Agreed, I would probably say that in which case Clark may pack up and take the team somewhere else, except for the stadium renovations scheduled to take place. If he places said renovations on hold then maybe he is possibly be thinking about it.

good idea

Yup! If Clark indeed goes through with the renovations.

You left out an option:

D: You aren't a whiny, crybaby fairweather fan. You stick with your team good or bad, so the insult wasn't directed at you.

I fall in option D.

Amen.

The Hunts don't care about sports? Jeez. It's been a rotten season, but come on.

Im as frustrated as anyone but to assume somehow that Clark Hunt is not involved, does not care, or somehow is not paying attention is the most absurd thing Ive seen...Hes not gonna go apeshit like a poster on here and run about doing stupid things while the season is still not over...

Hate on Carl, Hate on Herm...but dont underestimate the owners committment to the franchise. Thats silly.

I'm not sure he can place the renovations on hold, I would assume if tax monies have already been collected it's a done deal. I could be wrong though.

Thank you Clark Hunt. :rolleyes:

The lights aren't twinkling, Clark.

Thanks for noticing.

You're probably right there.

ROFL LMAO

i believe i covered that under (c) you think you're somehow better than the rest of the fan base.......


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they left a GM in control that hasn't won jack in 15 years ........


what does that tell you?


btw - how in the holy f*** do you think the Kansas city Chiefs can have ANY fairweather fans left when the fair weather left 10 years ago?

Exactly!

If Clark Hunt keeps the status quo after Monday then that is all we need to know about his commitment and whether he cares or not.

Expect it, I was just listening to 810 and they said they were sent a release that said "Carl and Herm will be available for an end of the season press conference"

Carl and Herm will convince him that all they need to do is shitcan a few coaches and bring in some new players. Clark will just kick the can down the road to 2009.

I doubt seriously that they are going anywhere, unfortunately.

What's your problem? You seem so angry. If you really feel so insulted by what the columnist for the Chiefs web site said then maybe he's right and you do need to find another team or something, because you obviously aren't going to just have fun and support the Chiefs win or lose.

It's the nature of our organization......Lamar Hunt had more losing seasons than winning seasons, he refused to fire people, his son is following right along in those footsteps.

No one really said bad things about Lamar because he was an old man who was dying and that seemed mean. But the Chiefs ownership is a serious problem they allow this to go on.

Yay, a TRUE FAN!!!!!!!!!!

I love people who think we should just love the Chiefs even if they do things wrong. What are we suppose to be, drooling reeruns that just go "Yea Chiefs! Durrr"

Ya know I just thinking that this shit wouldn't happen in college football. The boosters act as a sort of board of directors that will run a bad coach / AD off, even if the college president doesn't have a sack. Matt Millen and Carl Peterson would have been gone long ago.

Chiefs' fans want Carl and Herm gone, but have no way to convey that to an absentee owner without giving up their season-tickets. What Clark probably doesn't realize is that if he were to shit-can Peterson and Herm, he could RAISE ticket prices. In college, the boosters make sure the message gets across to the empty suits.

Oops. Sorry. Didn't mean to post anything with out the words, fire, Carl, and Herm in it.

yeah, because we all know true fans love to eat their KC Chief made shit sandwich with a smile :banghead:

You can post things that don't imply that you need to be a fan of a different team if you don't agree with what the Chiefs do...The Chiefs deserve everything they get. They have the same GM for 19 years, they can't draft, they hired a shitty coach and the team has bottomed out, they got what they asked for.

So you like being just, "I hate Carl! I hate Herm! This team stinks!" "someone should protest! Then they'll see!" "They'll have to once we show them!" "Grrrrrrr!!!" "Even though my protest will have no discernible effect on the organization or how it's run, because it's not a democracy!" Rrrrrrrrrrroooarrrrr!!!!" "I'll stop watching....that'll show 'em."

No thanks.

Why should Carl keep his job? He's had 19 years, he'd have been fired years ago if this was any other team...

What more can you expect people to do? It seems like nothing short of Carl dying will get rid of him, he's like a Supreme Court Justice. And the team does suck, that's not being anything other than being honest...

I think if Carl was fired, and you saw a real new direction people wouldn't react nearly the way they do now.

Right, if some fans are second-guessing Belichick and Pioli, those fans are laughable. If some fans are second-guessing Peterson and Herm, they are probably right. There is a pecking order of GMs, and how is Carl not near the bottom after 15 years with zero playoff wins? He may not be incompetent in an absolute sense, but relative to his peers he certainly is.

Yes. Masochistic junkies.

I cannot believe Carl has the audacity to show up at Arrowhead after all these years of failure.

Well, you have to look at his entire body of work to get a clear picture. I think that's why you are confused.

:doh!: Well, how dumb of me....

Absolutely right, just look at Nebraska. The AD and HC both received contract extensions earlier this year, and now they're both gone. Never in my wildest dreams did I think that would happen.

Precisely!