TEICHER: C Faine, K Brown may visit as soon as today
 

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...ry/510689.html

The whole thing really reads like speculation, but here's hoping it's informed speculation.

Cmon bring in Bryant Johnson.

Getting those 2 in and signed would be a great way to start the offseason.

Yep. Then it is CB and WR time!! Lets get it ON!

The players seem like decent targets, but I'm not sure I agree with Kris Brown having more upside than he already has.

I hope we can sign these two fast. That would be a great start to FA. Then sign Bryant Johnson and another guard and we are already better.

I kinda wish we were in discussions for Corey Williams, Shaun Rogers or Vilma though...

I'm still of the opinion that if you're going the free agency route, get the best-I'd target Asante Samuel and have one of the best starting CBs in the league for the next 5-7 years.

Kris Brown is the Texans kicker....

Also I've heard some talk of the Jets and Lions swapping Rogers for Vilma straight up.

Just a typo, settle down there.

Might as well just light $80M on fire......

Rumor on NFL Network that the Packers are going to send Corey Williams to Cleveland for a 2nd round pick......

Carl's done that for twenty ****ing years. If he went after the best we might had a little better luck in FA. Samuel is elite. Elite players are the difference makers in games and give the edge to the team with more of them. Give me the best. When you get the best, then that's one less thing to be concerned with. With Carl's approach he ends up spending more money in giving shitty players long term contracts and then having to take a cap hit because that player didn't cut the mustard. Enough dicking around, solidify the positions and become elite. The stop-gap is a huge band-aid, that gets us nowhere. If you want to be the best, you have to get the best.

It was just a thought, settle down there :)...

Would you rather have 1 great player, and be hamstrung for the next 3 years, or have 3-5 good players and be able to sign your own FA's and others in the future?

$22M guaranteed and $10M per......

After giving LJ a huge contract and Jared Allen likely the same.

We have too many holes to throw everything we have a one player, much less one that isn't that important in the defense we play.

All those "elite" players the Colts and Patriots have?

They didn't get them in FA.

Vilma is a Saint.

I heard he may have been traded for a possible conditional pick too..

I'd rather have elite players over having good players. Give me one elite player for every three of your average players, please. The fact is, every team has their own "good" players. It's the teams with the elite players that excel. Is it any wonder Carlton Gray didn't work out? Yet, Carl actually gave him money that we throw out the window and got NOTHING in return. You see, with quality, you get a RETURN ON YOUR INVESTMENT.

Also, the Bucaneers are said to be highly interested in Asante Samuel should he not be retained by New England. Funny, they run the SAME DEFENSE as we do(except they run it better) and they are willing to get into a bidding war for his services.

Where'd you see this and what did they get...

So, has anyone heard about other FA's visiting Kansas City? I'd love to have Bryant Johnson in a KC uniform next year.

YEah, I haven't seem anything confirmed yet either. Last I saw, it was just a rumor

No offense, but I don't think that Samuels is "Elite". He certainly wouldn't be an "elite" player with the likes of Nap Harris and an aging Donnie Edwards in front of him, let alone our middle d-line troubles.

Additionally, I think that Samuels will get his money and disappear. The guy isn't a young Deion Sanders.

He's more like a Nate Clements.

Someone will overpay and thankfully (finally!), it won't be the Chiefs.

Reports: LB Vilma close to joining the Saints

Jonathan Vilma is "very very close" to becoming a New Orleans Saint, according to the Washington Post. The New Orleans Times Picayune reports the Jets and New Orleans are "close to finalizing a deal."

The Redskins "nosed around" Vilma, but never showed serious interest. The Lions also wanted him, but may be less willing to give up draft picks. Newsday guesses that the Saints will be sending a third-round pick to New York. It's not out of the question that the Jets would in turn send that pick to Carolina for Kris Jenkins. Feb. 28 - 9:12 pm et
Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune

And they'll be no closer to the Super Bowl for it. And they were a playoff team last year.

Ask the 49ers how those huge contracts to Clements, Banta-Cain and Lewis.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/footba...,4306016.story

A deal sending Jets linebacker Jonathan Vilma to the Saints will be completed and announced as early as this morning, according to NFL sources. The teams reached a tentative agreement Thursday night, with the Jets getting a conditional draft pick, probably in 2009, based on Vilma's performance.

Agree, 100%

Steal for the Saints.

Glad we're bringing guys in for "visits."

Gives other teams time to make them offers before they get to KC.

Carl's probably in bed right now.

Like I said in the other thread....the Chiefs aren't a huge spending team in cash...

With the #5 pick, Allens tag and the LJ and TG contracts the Chiefs are probably saying "we have no money to sign anyone"

Ick

:evil:

And the sham continues...

I'd be in bed right now as well.

I'd sit out the first two weeks of free agency. Easy.

It's the overpriced shopping time.

Of course, everyone here agrees 'cause we all want to go young, right?...

Samuels isn't elite? What games are you watching? He's an incredible cover corner. He's also only 27 years old. I don't think he'll make as much as some said he will make. I can see $7-8 mil per year toward the back end, but not $10 mil per year, at the beginning of the contract. It's all in the signing bonus and you can lower a player's cap number per year. It's all in what a team is willing to give UPFRONT. I'd give Samuel $20 million in guaranteed money, EASILY. Give him a 7 year contract and that is only a cap number of less than $3 mil per year in pro-rated bonus money, add a lower salary number and he'll be alot less than what some think.

Miami sure didn't overpay for Smiley......

masturbating?

Sorry Bro, I'm just not seeing it.

The schemes are incredible, as is his front seven.

If Samuels continues at a high level if he changes teams, I'll gladly eat my words.

Somehow, I don't think that will be necessary.

The Nate Clements deal will be a STARTING POINT.

$22M guaranteed and $10M per for 6-8 years.

Samuels is "elite" because he's surrounded by elite players.

Put him on a team like KC that would expect him to be the savior, and he'll flop miserably......just like Clements did.

He has his minions for that

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...4&postcount=32

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...5&postcount=35

Those 2 posts pretty much lay it out so that's better than me reposting it.

Clements is isn't even close to Samuel's league. Asante Samuel is probably the best CB in the game currently.

Not a chance.

That's nuts.......Samuel benefits from playing with the front 7 he does, he's a product of his team..

Clements did his thing on a bad team for the most part...someone is gonna overpay for Samuel and realize he isn't as good as he looked in NE.

You take Carlton Gray, I'll take Asante Samuel. Let's see who ends up spending their money better.

I don't think signing corners is a good idea anyway, it's a position where age shows early and they are extremely expensive...

You're better off drafting them and walking away when their contracts are up.

It's not a one for one thing.

You take Samuel.

I will take Bryant Johnson, Faine, and Brown.

And STILL have a shitton of money left......

Yep. Could throw some money at a guard and Gay then...

Of course he has a great front seven and that improves his game, but to discount him as being some free agent bust, when the games say differently is clouded, IMO.


Just say you don't think the money is spent wisely for Samuels, but please don't discount Samuel's play-he's definitely elite. He'll continue to be so for the next few years, IMO, as well. The Patriots aren't the only team that can run an organization well, so I think it's incredible that so many just brush off AS as some kind of free agent bust. I'm sure Champ Bailey sucks, too. ( I know he was trade, but the point is he changed teams and still remained productive).

I hope we get Bryant Johnson. That would be swell.

Their both former Huskers so their interchangeable.

We probably have $50 million in cap room right now, we could afford all of them easily and there's no cap next year as of now. For the record, I'm just saying you get what you pay for.

The cap room doesn't matter, the Chiefs are already saying they don't have the "cash" to be big players....

They have to sign the #5 pick and the Chiefs aren't a huge spending team that plays in.

We have $25.8 as of the latest cuts, per NFLN.

It isn't just the cap. You have to have the CASH to pay the bonus. KC isn't going to spend $30-40M in bonuses including Jared Allen's potential deal.

Throw in that #5 pick and you probably just cut more than half of the cash KC was gonna spend this year....


By the way Samuel is in Philly today/tomorrow and it's being widely reported that deal is all but done.

Do you remember what Levi Brown got last year at the 5 slot?

I'm thinking somewhere around $20-25M.

So between that, and a potential deal with Allen that would probably include another $20-25M in guaranteed money.

I'd be thrilled if we signed Josh Brown. It would solidify that position for a decade. That guy is clutch. He won 4 games for that team in 07. The Hawks wouldn't have made the playoffs without him this year. He was their franchise player this year. I hope it goes down.

The Arizona Cardinals on Thursday night reached agreement with first-round draft pick Levi Brown, the offensive tackle from Penn State, on a six-year contract, ESPN.com has confirmed.

The contract, negotiated by agent Joel Segal, has a maximum value of $62 million. That is believed to be the most lucrative contract in NFL history for an offensive lineman, although Brown is unlikely to max out the deal by reaching all the incentives.

Brown was the second offensive lineman chosen in the draft. Cleveland selected tackle Joe Thomas as the third pick overall. Thomas has signed a five-year deal reportedly worth $42.5 million, with $22-23 million guaranteed.

Expect the guarantee's to be close to Thomas' deal with the increase every year...

So we'd be looking at (likely) somewhere in the neighborhood of $70M in guaranteed money between LJ, Jared and our R1 pick.

We may be lucky to get both Faine and Brown.

The rest of the signings may be Anthony Alibi-like.

Too bad Faine has already signed with the Bucs.

6 years....$44 million dollars.


http://blogs.tampabay.com/bucs/

Please tell me you're kidding.....

Unfortunately no. This is what ****ing happens with the Chiefs. They don't act ****ing quick enough on a position of need. It wouldn't have mattered anyways....we would have brought him in and let him leave without a contract.

They invited him in.....another team offered him a contract.

Mother****er.

http://www.bucnews.com/2008/02/29/je...for-tampa.html

Just like I said.....we want to bring him in for a ****ing visit, another team makes him an offer.

The OL are going......now when the draft comes up half this board is going to be crowing that we have to take OL with our first 4 picks...

Jason Ferguson will likely be traded to Miami for draft picks, somewhere in the 5th-6th round area. Cowboys will save a bit of money with this trade, and he wasn't really missed all that much last season.

Once again the Dolphins know what they are doing.

Now THIS looks like the kind of dumbass deal we'd do.....

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/ar...-busy-man.html

Ugh.

Not I. I realize that we have WAY too many holes to fill right now. I just wish that our whole front office wasn't on vacation when it came time for FA to start. The sad thing is......everyone will be cheering when we sign a kicker. That will let the Chiefs FO know that they've won.

Rotoworld also reporting that we've set up a visit with Falcon OLB Demorrio Williams.....

Only a 3rd? If you were CP/Herm, would you give that up for Vilma?? I think I would.

Oh great, Reeves blows and Williams is so bad the Falcons who suck don't want him back...

Remember Faine already went busto with the Browns. He found a niche with a passing dome offense that did not require him to be too physical. Plus he's from the Tampa area and wanted to go home.

I hope the Chiefs continue to stay away from making slightly above average starters the highest paid players at their position. The Saints were the smart ones because they got Faine when he cost nothing. The Bucs signing seems more like the old Chiefs way of overpaying for being behind the curve. He would have been a nice signing, but not at that price.

Who is? Vilma and Rodgers? I am pretty sure Vilma is from Miami.

Yep.

Like I said, these are Carl's kind of moves.

I'm fully expecting to wake up in the morning to see that Jake Scott and Jacob Bell have already signed with any team but the Chiefs.

And Rogers is from Texas...

I think he meant the kickers.

We're gonna try for the 0-16 next year...

You think Faine is an average starter?

I'm expecting that and us to trade away Allen to some other team for a couple of shitty picks. But we'll have signed Josh Brown!

Yep. So do the Saints (who have 40+ mill in cap room and decided to use it elsewhere).

Tebow here we come!! w00T!!!

Yeah, because it's not like they didn't have a capable backup in Jonathan Goodwin......

I guess the Patriots let Moss hit FA because he's just an average starter.....

I still think he'll end up back there.....

It all depends what you need the Saints likely feel they have a capable player on their roster while needing to focus on the defense.

Actually, I just read on a Saints board that they made a last ditch effort to keep Faine, and he declined. Goodwin would have stayed at guard.

Also just read that Josh Brown will be visiting St. Louis BEFORE he visits KC.