No Wonder the Chiefs are Terrible
 

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Mar 12, 2008 | 11:16AM | report this I was out in Las Vegas over the weekend and took notice of the favorites to win the Super Bowl next year. Your Kansas City Chiefs, at 225-1 odds, are tied with the Falcons for the worst odds to win the Championship.

I'm not the least bit surprised. They don't have a clue. GM Carl Peterson, he of the two playoff wins in 20 years as the President of the team, doesn't believe in signing free agents, so he's let talented players such as Bernard Berrian, and Alan Faneca, two players I was desperately hoping the Chiefs would take a look at, sign elsewhere. Instead Peterson has opted to bring in two free agents I've never heard of: WR Devard Darling, and LB Demorrio Williams. Peterson's strategy of relying heavily on the draft (much like the Pittsburgh Steelers) to replenish talent is not entirely bad in and of itself. Except that Peterson can't draft! Since 2000 (8 total NFL drafts), Peterson has drafted three Pro Bowlers (Dante Hall, Larry Johnson, and Jared Allen). Over that time, Pittsburgh has draftd six Pro Bowlers but three more are worthy.

The Chiefs have the second lowest payroll in the NFL, about $45 million less than what New England spent last year. They've just recently released high salaried players Ty Law ($5 million), and Eddie Kennison ($2.1 million), and a host of other players (Kendrell Bell, Eddie Drummond, Greg Wesley, and Samie Parker), players whose salries total in excess of $10 million, don't figure to be back. There's no reason Kansas City couldn't have been a bigger player in the Faneca sweepstakes. I've heard nothing about the Chiefs' interest in Derek Anderson or Donovan McNabb either.

The biggest problem with Peterson's philosophy is his goal at the beginning of every season. As we learned on HBO's Hard Knocks last year, Peterson addresses his subordinates each training camp stating that the team's goal is "to win the trophy bearing our founder's name." Of course, that trophy would be that of Lamar Hunt, which goes to the team that wins the AFC each year. I wonder if Peterson realizes that by winning the Lombardi trophy he'll have automatically addressed all other trophies coming before it. If your goal isn't to win the Super Bowl, it's never going to happen.

When the Chiefs finish the 2008 season at 4-12 again, it'll be high time for Chiefs fans to see Peterson's head on a stick outside Arrowhead Stadium. While we're there, might as well bring Herm Edwards with him.


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What an original blog post.

It's just a blog. :lame:

Sounds like every other thread on CP.

McNabb?

ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

The guy lost me at that one.

McNabb would be the last straw. I hate that MF!

Did 88 write that?

ROFL

I have every right to hate McNabb. Why would we sign him, has he completed a single season in the last 6 without an injury? The ONLY reason they did well last year was because of Jeff Garcia. And I'm pretty sure he was dressed in red this past season.

There are people here that think he is a god, why...OH WHY would a REBUILDING team...as has been stressed over and over...try and get an overrated over the hill QB?
Gotta agree on Faneca though.
Somehow I must turn this into Carl's folly...Can someone explain to me why CP wouldn't want to spend more money on players?? Any reason why we have the second lowest payroll in the NFL???

No it actually brings up an idea of what the Chiefs should do. Even if it is a bad idea. All 88 can do is bitch. He literally can't do anything else.

I didn't realize Bernard Berrian and Alan Faneca were the missing pieces between us and a Superbowl. Although I'd probably know that if I spent more time here gleaning the wisdom the planet has to offer.

I dont think he said they were the missing pieces, but we have already tanked 2008. I know we werent going to compete. I been saying 5-11 at best, but they dont even seem to be trying. Like i posted over at the coalition, Croyle better eat steak after steak with a few burgers in between. His toothpick ass may be snapped in half next year.

You may want to become a Jets fan. They are a 4-12 team doing a great job of signing all the old big name veterans to big contracts to make a run at the playoffs.

LMAO, you don't want Bernard Berrian. He couldn't catch AIDS at a gay bar.

It's a bad free agent market and they're not overpaying early for players who'd make little or no difference. No, it's not very exciting, but it seems smarter to me than throwing caution to the wind and spending big bucks as soon as the bell rang on the market for the 2008 models of Kendrell Bell and Shawn Barber and Dexter McCleon and any of a long line of other bad moves by KC in the last decade plus. Signing mediocre players to bad deals does absolutely nothing positive for the franchise over the long term, and it probably wouldn't do much for 2008 either.

Even so, I wouldn't write 2008 off just yet. They probably won't compete for a playoff spot, but stranger things have happened, and I don't think enough of a recovery to put them back in the area of .500 is out of the question at all. It's a matter of whether they can find a way to sign a few of the right guys at the right price, and whether they can can hit in the first few rounds of the draft. It's not as sexy as tossing empty money at mid-level guys who don't deserve it, but it's the way you dig a franchise out of a hole.

I know it has been posted over and over but I'll say it again: Carl is neither good at the draft nor bad at the draft; he is very average. Carl's downfall the last decade or so has been his head coaching choices and the price he paid to get those coaches. A 2nd and 3rd to get Vermeil (and a 1st for Trent because we just didn't want to wait one more year for Trent to become a free-agent!). And (even more unbelievably!) a 4th for Herm, a 52-60 head coach who was likely to be fired in NY.

Carl needs a strong head coach to provide direction for the team. Schottenheimer provided that direction but in Carl's tenure without Marty he is 73-71. Herm is 52-60. Any guesses what their respective records will be after next year?

There is a scene in the movie City Slickers where an aging Billy Crystal looks in the mirror and realizes "this is the best I'm ever going to look." At some point Clark Hunt will have to reach the same epiphany regarding Carl and Herm- their careers have peaked and are now slipping further and further from success or even hope. This franchise will go nowhere until we replace Carl and Herm.

I'd call that generous. Chiefs drafts have been consistently pretty bad since about 1994. 2006 and 2007 look like they could be better, but it's too early to tell.
No doubt about that. The team's drafted poorly and thrown picks away. That's how you end up looking like the team they've been since 1998. It didn't help that Vermeil placed such an emphasis on veteran acquisitions over wise drafting; it exacerbated problems we already had.

In any case, Peterson should never have been reupped. But he was, and we're stuck with him. Not much to do as a fan but hope for the best without letting your expectations get too high.

Well, it's somewhat subjective of course, but I'd say Carl is average. His draft record would almost certainly appear better if he hadn't given away so many picks for coaches. In any case, I'm not interested in average and I will remain very apathetic about this team until Carl and Herm are replaced.

I think he should have given over football operations years ago. He's successful as team president, but I believe he's a failure as a GM. I say "failure" because, ultimately, it's a results-based business, and, while the early 90's can at least be argued to have been successful, the team's gone nowhere in a full decade. And in my mind, there's no justification at all for a GM holding a job with a team that hasn't won a playoff game in almost 15 years.

We can debate picks and coaches and whatever else, but, in the end, wins and losses really tell the tale...

AIDS jokes, that is so retro. :)

Not going to argue CP's lack of drafting talent.

However, I seem to remember Hermie saying they would not be active in free agency right away. Does no one remember that too? I interpreted that statement that they would build with the draft, (or vainly attempt to) and then sign players after the June cuts to fill some other holes.

I may have interpreted that wrong but, it would be a logical choice. Not going to give them credit for that philosophy though. It is more of a "Wow, we been throwing money at other teams re-treads for years and it never worked. Let's try something different"

:shake:

I used to hear it as, "He couldn't catch aids in an Ethiopian whorehouse"

Whoever wrote that, I hope he got paid for it. Vegas Dave?

The Chiefs line worries (both on O and D) are obvious. To then further your argument by saying we should spend more money on an injury prone player (McNab) is reeruned.

I'll agree the Chiefs should have targeted Faneca but after seeing his payday I also agree he isn't worth the final bid. He's flat out not the best offensive lineman ever.

Why should he payed like he is?

Remember this: both the 1st round of the draft and free agency are very thin on studs this year. The team that shocks and climbs this year will find steals on day 2. They'll do their homework.

This year is a year of inflation in the NFL...

Even the Peterson apologist have little to hang their hat on. The guy is a tard and the fact he's still in power at 1 Arrowhead Drive is a testament to the overall incompetence and results of hiring by inbreeding.

The team is a joke.

he should say when Carl decides to hit the FA market, he usually misses big. Kendrell Bell, Johnie Morton, Nap Harris, Ty Law, McIntosh, and the rest. It's past time for CP to go damnit

That brought a tear to my eye! :clap: Quote this badboy for Mother F'n Truth! :clap:

Carl was 69-59 without Marty before Herm. He is now 73-71. A huge swing the wrong way. Herm+Carl = 13-19. One more year together and Carl will be under .500 since Marty. Reason enough to send this clown packing.

This guy has a future writing for WPI.

Not sure WPI guys are this good. But, none the less, he could write for them.

When did we release wesley?

Really? I had a hard time taking the guy seriously after reading this part.

You'd know if you would actully read what people say before adding to siad wisdom. He didn't say that. All he said was he wanted the Chiefs to make more of an effort trying to sign those players.

Why? To turn a 4-12 season into a 6-10 one?

Yes, because I never, ever read what anybody says. Right. Because that must be it, if I don't agree out-of-hand. Well, gee whiz, after reading that, I guess I see the wisdom now. Let's do what the Chiefs have done for fifteen years and sign old players on the decline or young players with no real upside to high-dollar contracts. I mean, it's worked so well historically, I don't see why we'd want to change tack now. Color me convinced. Signing players for the sake of signing is the way to win!

Agreed, agreed, agreed!

Hopefully, this next season is his last season as the wearer of many hats in Kansas City.

Agreed. There can be no justification for retaining below .500 management and coaching. I will probably still watch all of the games but the only thing I want from the 2008 season is to see Carl and Herm fired.

It really is amazing what Clark Hunt has been able to accomplish this offseason, all while being able to stay on the good side of most Chiefs fans because of his shrewd media blitz back in January.

Clark Hunt has:

1) Kept Dictator Carl on board to keep the season ticket money flowing and Arrowhead full.

2) Slashed the Chiefs payroll to the point that it is on its way to reaching Royals-caliber low. This is similar to what the Arizona Cardinals have done for many years under the Bidwells and what the 49ers did a few years ago when John York initially took over ownership of the team. They essentially got rid of everyone to reduce payroll.

3) Kept the inept and highly unpopular Herm on board as head coach.


I'm not sure how any of those actions are consistent with Clark's claims that his and the franchise's #1 goal is winning a Super Bowl or meeting his stated expectations for next season which is to compete for a playoff spot.

There's a salary floor you ****ing dolt.

Each team is required to spend approximately 85% of the cap. Comes to just under $99M.

We just gave Tony Gonzalez and Larry Johnson obscene contracts.

We're about to give one to Jared Allen.

We're also about to give one to the 5th overall pick in the draft.

yep carl sucks

Wow - when was that posted. Apparently Vegas loves the Chiefs moves since:

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GO CHIEFS!

Nope. We have higher standards.

Sure - because every team (or company for that matter) should make decisions based on what a bunch of posters on a bb say.

I have never bought into the high priced free agent market in the violent world of the NFL. IMO most who qualify for this status are already used up or the product of a system that allows them to succeed. Its not that the Chiefs haven't gotten into the free agent market, they have. They make really bad decisions on free agents in odd numbered years and get totally out of the market in even numbered years. We also have a front office which relies more on athletic prowess than game film in evaluating talent for the draft.

:hmmm: Ya know this is the first year I can think of that King Carl hasn't gone out after high priced old free agents. Maybe Clark had a "talking too" with this King Carl and told him "not any more" Maybe this is the shocking news that we've been waiting for also the fact that we aren't spending money on high priced FA, no news is news. I would just be happy if King Carl was told to stay out of the War room on draft day! Unfortunatly not:grr:

No doubt about it Clark and or Herm need a hell of a pat on the back
the glee of seeing Carl only be able to squirm and watch with closed mouth
has got to be highly entertaining and satisfying

dunno but, do the Chiefs really have the 2nd lowest payroll right now? If so, sign Jared Allen, you effin douchenozzle Carl Petersuck.

That's what I'm thinking/ it's gotta be torcher for King Carl not too sign old FA/ LOL & this is hopefully the beginning of the end of King Carl in Kansas City.

Chiefs are in a no win situation right now.

Fans bitch because they dont go hard after name free agents but in the next breath complain when these guys dont live up to expectations cough*Ty Law*cough


IMO, the Chiefs are doing it the right way this year. Yes, this will probably be the first season in forever that the Chiefs will go into the season knowing that it will be a struggle to win 5 or 6 games. Guys like B Johnson, Scott, Faneca, etc, wouldnt help the Chiefs win more than 8 games anyway. This was a bad team last year, and will be again this year.

The rebuild is in full swing. Lets pray the Chiefs draft well...

Was this post made from a cell phone with voice recognition software?

The original post is a joke.

The fact is that Carl has thrown millions of dollars at free agents over the years, and that strategy has failed.

They are doing it the right way, finally.

It's just sad that I have no faith in Herman ****ing Edwards and Carl to get it done.

Well, maybe the current administration will set things up for the next one. Kinda of like the late 80's set the table for Marty and Carl so to speak.

That's what I'm hoping, though it didn't work out that way for Mangini and the Jets.