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KC4EVER 03-27-2008 06:51 PM

Chiefs Meet With Otah
 
Chiefs | Team meets with Otah
Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:40:13 -0700

Brad Biggs, of the Chicago Sun-Times, reports the Kansas City Chiefs met with University of Pittsburgh OT Jeff Otah Monday, March 24.

I think the chiefs hope they can grab him in the second, wich is considerable since we pick early in most rounds.

Deberg_1990 03-27-2008 06:54 PM

Ryan in the 1st, Otah in the 2nd..

Or BPA in the 1st, and QB in the 2nd.


Im now convinced the Chiefs will draft a QB in one of the first two rounds.

KC4EVER 03-27-2008 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 4652835)
Ryan in the 1st, Otah in the 2nd..

Or BPA in the 1st, and QB in the 2nd.


Im now convinced the Chiefs will draft a QB in one of the first two rounds.

BPA in the 1st, OT in 2nd & QB in 3rd.

RustShack 03-27-2008 07:15 PM

How about BPA in the 1st through the 7th?

BigVE 03-27-2008 07:39 PM

I see us TRYING to trade down about 5-10 spots and picking Otah in rd. 1 if both the Long's and Dorsey and Ellis are gone.

Buehler445 03-27-2008 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 4652853)
How about BPA in the 1st through the 7th?

I'm on board.

GoTrav 03-27-2008 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigVE (Post 4652894)
I see us TRYING to trade down about 5-10 spots and picking Otah in rd. 1 if both the Long's and Dorsey and Ellis are gone.

Isn't Otah a top 6 overall player now on some boards? Last I followed had him going around the 12 range.


All I've been getting spammed with lately have been Ryan to Chefs emails...

Simply Red 03-27-2008 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 4652835)
Ryan in the 1st, Otah in the 2nd..

Or BPA in the 1st, and QB in the 2nd.


Im now convinced the Chiefs will draft a QB in one of the first two rounds.

Now that would help us look more interesting for nx. seas. IMO

Simply Red 03-27-2008 07:58 PM

What QB do you all see us looking for in the second? Curious.

BigVE 03-27-2008 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Ice (Post 4652905)
Isn't Otah a top 6 overall player now on some boards? Last I followed had him going around the 12 range.


All I've been getting spammed with lately have been Ryan to Chefs emails...



Your right about some of the projections...nobody f'n knows for sure of course until the actual draft. Speculation and guess work is part of the fun.

GoTrav 03-27-2008 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 4652934)
What QB do you all see us looking for in the second? Curious.

hopefully none

SBK 03-27-2008 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 4652934)
What QB do you all see us looking for in the second? Curious.

Hopefully people are thinking Brohm, but who knows. Probably some guy that's not even going to be drafted.

RustShack 03-28-2008 12:05 AM

2nd round QB's would probably be Brohm or Flacco... If we were to draft one in the first day I would just assume get Ryan in the first, otherwise there should be a very good OT, OG, CB, and/or WR in the 2nd round, and later than that also.

wazu 03-28-2008 12:17 AM

Clady, Otah. Let's do it.

Direckshun 03-28-2008 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 4652934)
What QB do you all see us looking for in the second? Curious.

I think we'd take Brohm in a heartbeat if he fell that far, but he won't make it out of the 1st.

The only QB anybody would consider that soon would be Flacco, I'd say. But I really despise the idea of drafting Flacco in the 2nd at all, much less that early, and even much less the Chiefs.

blueballs 03-28-2008 01:03 AM

There is four more weeks to find out some of these kids
have some fatal to their NFL careers tongue fungus

Brock 03-28-2008 07:26 AM

who did they meet with last year and how many of those players did they draft?

StcChief 03-28-2008 08:09 AM

BPA and get the line rebuilt forget QB.

Simply Red 03-28-2008 08:11 AM

Yeah, I like Flacco. He may be a solid choice. Kinda a guessing-game on how well they perform on the next level. Obviously, as you all know.

Zouk 03-28-2008 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4653497)
who did they meet with last year and how many of those players did they draft?

Turk and Tank both visited Arrowhead before the draft last year. I don't think Bowe did, but I'm not 100% sure. On the Redzone podcast Gunther talked about how important the visit is in evaluating players and he mentioned Turk and Tank specifically.

The information on who visits is very valuable and teams try to protect it. Each team asks the players "which other teams are you visiting?". The agents often leak the info to the press though to build interest. The Dallas reporter, for example, already knows 29 of the 30 players the Cowboys had for visits (http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/story/549654.html). We don't know anything because Teicher is lazy.

Deberg_1990 03-28-2008 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 4652934)
What QB do you all see us looking for in the second? Curious.

Brohm if hes there.

xbarretx 03-28-2008 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 4652853)
How about BPA in the 1st through the 7th?

oh now your just being unrealistic ;) LMAO BPA in the CP house is a four letter word :p

Frankie 03-28-2008 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 4652835)
Ryan in the 1st, Otah in the 2nd..

Or BPA in the 1st, and QB in the 2nd.


Im now convinced the Chiefs will draft a QB in one of the first two rounds.

We are just strategizing a trade-down in the first in case Jake Long is not available at 5. But this tells me we are more interested in Otah than Clady as a trade down target.

DenverChief 03-28-2008 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 4653642)
We are just strategizing a trade-down in the first in case Jake Long is not available at 5. But this tells me we are more interested in Otah than Clady as a trade down target.



we are not going to trade down bank on that

Frankie 03-28-2008 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 4653557)
Yeah, I like Flacco. He may be a solid choice.

He's never been a captain on his college team. What does that tell you about his leadership? Can you say....GRBAC?

boogblaster 03-28-2008 09:09 AM

OTs a must or another season bust .....

Frankie 03-28-2008 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boogblaster (Post 4653660)
OTs a must or another season bust .....

AAAAAAAAAAMEN!

Tribal Warfare 03-28-2008 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boogblaster (Post 4653660)
OTs a must or another season bust .....




Another road to 8-8 bandwagon member, OT or bust!!!!!!!!!

Chiefnj2 03-28-2008 09:20 AM

If the Chiefs take Otah at 5, it'll be a Planet meltdown to tell the grandkids about.

Brock 03-28-2008 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boogblaster (Post 4653660)
OTs a must or another season bust .....

Let's draft tackles so we can win 5 games instead of 4. YAAAAYYY!!

R&GHomer 03-28-2008 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 4653683)
If the Chiefs take Otah at 5, it'll be a Planet meltdown to tell the grandkids about.

Of biblical proportions

tyton75 03-28-2008 09:53 AM

I really wouldn't be upset if we took Flacco in the 2nd

Sure-Oz 03-28-2008 10:14 AM

We better not pick him at #5 like some douch on nfl network thinks

Sure-Oz 03-28-2008 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyton75 (Post 4653723)
I really wouldn't be upset if we took Flacco in the 2nd

Do you want Brohm or another pos.

stlchiefs 03-28-2008 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zouk (Post 4653585)
The Dallas reporter, for example, already knows 29 of the 30 players the Cowboys had for visits (http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/story/549654.html). We don't know anything because Teicher is lazy.

I'd rather stay in the dark and let the Chiefs keep their draft strategy from the other teams than know the info and blow any "strategy" Carl and Herm might have.

BigChiefFan 03-28-2008 11:11 AM

The OT or bust is a dipshit philosophy. I'm sorry, but I can't keep my mouth shut anymore. Have you seen this team? How in the Hell is one LT , a rookie, no less, going to be the saviour of this team? Answer:he won't. Jake Long won't be there. Take the BPA. Why reach and get less value?

melbar 03-28-2008 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4653703)
Let's draft tackles so we can win 5 games instead of 4. YAAAAYYY!!

We will have to win more games at some point you know? If we can develop our talent hopefully that will translate to more wins. Why does everyone act like winning more than 4 games before we get to the playoffs is a sin?:shake:

Deberg_1990 03-28-2008 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 4653862)
The OT or bust is a dipshit philosophy. I'm sorry, but I can't keep my mouth shut anymore. Have you seen this team? How in the Hell is one LT , a rookie, no less, going to be the saviour of this team? Answer:he won't. Jake Long won't be there. Take the BPA. Why reach and get less value?


Mecca and I have been saying the same things for months. Its no use trying to persuade some of the guys on here.

Honestly, no matter who we draft, this teams NOT going to win more than 6 or 7 games next year tops.

This team is at the rock bottom. Ask yourself this: What do most teams do when they reach rock bottom? They draft a franchise QB.

Micjones 03-28-2008 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 4652835)
Ryan in the 1st, Otah in the 2nd..

Or BPA in the 1st, and QB in the 2nd.


Im now convinced the Chiefs will draft a QB in one of the first two rounds.

I'd go for that.

Brock 03-28-2008 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by melbar (Post 4653864)
We will have to win more games at some point you know? If we can develop our talent hopefully that will translate to more wins. Why does everyone act like winning more than 4 games before we get to the playoffs is a sin?:shake:

Why can't people understand that winning 8 games next year isn't the goal, and that you shouldn't base your draft on that?

suds79 03-28-2008 11:22 AM

Man that could be sweet if we nab Otah in the 2nd but I don't think it'll happen.

I'm actually more interested in 2nd round OTs now. I was a Long fan but I don't think he'll be there and even so, there are some other guys you have to seriously consider at 5.

Anyways, I think it's more realistic that we'll take a an OT in the 2nd. Now who will that be? Otah? Cherilus? (at RT), Nicks?, Anthony Collins?

I can't wait for this draft to finally happen.

Chiefnj2 03-28-2008 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4653875)
Why can't people understand that winning 8 games next year isn't the goal, and that you shouldn't base your draft on that?

Why do people assume that if someone wants to draft a tackle that their goal is to win 8 games?

Brock 03-28-2008 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 4653898)
Why do people assume that if someone wants to draft a tackle that their goal is to win 8 games?

It's the only reason I can think of to bypass better players for short term gain.

melbar 03-28-2008 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4653875)
Why can't people understand that winning 8 games next year isn't the goal, and that you shouldn't base your draft on that?

I'm saying we have to get better before we get good. We're not going to the playoffs next year, but if we can improve to 7-8 wins we'll be in a position to make a move the year after. Its not the end game, but if we only win 4 games again next year, we're moving in the wrong direction and are that much farther away from being a playoff team. The goal should be to get better. I think doubling our win total would be fantastic for this team.

melbar 03-28-2008 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4653903)
It's the only reason I can think of to bypass better players for short term gain.

Drafting a player who will be an anchor for 10 years over a flashier "sexier" player isnt a short term fix.

beach tribe 03-28-2008 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by melbar (Post 4653913)
Drafting a player who will be an anchor for 10 years over a flashier "sexier" player isnt a short term fix.

True.

Brock 03-28-2008 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by melbar (Post 4653910)
I'm saying we have to get better before we get good. We're not going to the playoffs next year, but if we can improve to 7-8 wins we'll be in a position to make a move the year after. Its not the end game, but if we only win 4 games again next year, we're moving in the wrong direction and are that much farther away from being a playoff team. The goal should be to get better. I think doubling our win total would be fantastic for this team.

No, the goal shouldn't be to get better immediately. It should be to let a whole bunch of young players learn how to play. Not for Larry Johnson to get his 1500 yards, and for Carl to get all his home victories. Personally, I don't care about any of that.

Brock 03-28-2008 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by melbar (Post 4653913)
Drafting a player who will be an anchor for 10 years over a flashier "sexier" player isnt a short term fix.

It is if you missed out on a better player.

melbar 03-28-2008 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suds79 (Post 4653882)
Man that could be sweet if we nab Otah in the 2nd but I don't think it'll happen.

I'm actually more interested in 2nd round OTs now. I was a Long fan but I don't think he'll be there and even so, there are some other guys you have to seriously consider at 5.

Anyways, I think it's more realistic that we'll take a an OT in the 2nd. Now who will that be? Otah? Cherilus? (at RT), Nicks?, Anthony Collins?

I can't wait for this draft to finally happen.

Nicks is a Monster and has had some off field issues. 6-5 345 lbs- He could be there in the 3rd and move to RT or Guard. Not just a fata-- either.

beach tribe 03-28-2008 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 4653915)
True.

What I meant to say is True, if it's JL at the 5 spot.

melbar 03-28-2008 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4653919)
It is if you missed out on a better player.

Most of the guys we're talking about are graded so close at #5 that it wont be a reach and any one of them would benefit us. Otah, no. but Clady is rated as a #7 or #8 overall player just 1 or 2 spots behind Ellis. Judgement call. If Long is there the only other consideration should be Dorsey or the other Long. If your drafting one of the top 3 guys left on your board especially this high, your not damaging your team. Your also not sacrificing Talent for need.

Brock 03-28-2008 11:57 AM

Jesus, not this Clady nonsense again.

Frankie 03-28-2008 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4653703)
Let's draft tackles so we can win 5 games instead of 4. YAAAAYYY!!

We are talking "long term" not "next year." O line is the foundation of a great offense. You don't put the windows in without a foundation.

Brock 03-28-2008 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 4653955)
We are talking "long term" not "next year." O line is the foundation of a great offense. You don't put the windows in without a foundation.

yeah, this hasn't been discussed to death.

There are maybe 2 positions on this team that don't need upgraded, and even those are arguable. I'm not going to buy into your "draft offensive line even if we have to reach" theories.

Frankie 03-28-2008 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 4653862)
The OT or bust is a dipshit philosophy. I'm sorry, but I can't keep my mouth shut anymore. Have you seen this team? How in the Hell is one LT , a rookie, no less, going to be the saviour of this team? Answer:he won't. Jake Long won't be there. Take the BPA. Why reach and get less value?

Nobody is seriously saying OT or Bust! We don't want a reach at 5. Clady and Otah are probably reaches at 5. But plan B should be a trade down to get one of them at the position of their worth. OLT is a key block for the foundation of a great 'O.' BPA should be considered but only as plan 'C.'

THAT IS ALL WE ARE SAYING!

Brock 03-28-2008 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 4653960)
Nobody is seriously saying OT or Bust! We don't want a reach at 5. Clady and Otah are probably reaches at 5. But plan B should be a trade down to get one of them at the position of their worth. OLT is a key block for the foundation of a great 'O.' BPA should be considered but only as plan 'C.'

[SIZE"]THAT IS ALL WE ARE SAYING![/COLOR][/SIZE]

Then what you are saying is WRONG. Fixating on any position with a team this bad is WRONG.

Frankie 03-28-2008 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4653875)
Why can't people understand that winning 8 games next year isn't the goal, and that you shouldn't base your draft on that?

WHO IS SAYING THAT?!! :banghead:

suds79 03-28-2008 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4653957)
yeah, this hasn't been discussed to death.

There are maybe 2 positions on this team that don't need upgraded, and even those are arguable. I'm not going to buy into your "draft offensive line even if we have to reach" theories.

You think some of the O-linemen are reaches the and some of the other posters don't think so. It's really as simple as that.

So who's right? Nobody can be fore sure. We'll know in 3 years.

Frankie 03-28-2008 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suds79 (Post 4653882)
Man that could be sweet if we nab Otah in the 2nd but I don't think it'll happen.

I'm actually more interested in 2nd round OTs now. I was a Long fan but I don't think he'll be there and even so, there are some other guys you have to seriously consider at 5.

Anyways, I think it's more realistic that we'll take a an OT in the 2nd. Now who will that be? Otah? Cherilus? (at RT), Nicks?, Anthony Collins?

I can't wait for this draft to finally happen.

Otah won't make it past the first round. I doubt he will make it past 20.

Micjones 03-28-2008 12:12 PM

It's rather simple.
The Offensive Line is this team's achilles heel.
It stands to reason that we'd make it a priority in April.

Why everyone else can't understand that I don't know.

kcchiefsus 03-28-2008 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4653903)
It's the only reason I can think of to bypass better players for short term gain.

Here's a reason for you.

We have an injury prone quarterback. How do we protect him?

BY FIXING THE ****ING OFFENSIVE LINE!!!!!!!

Brock 03-28-2008 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcchiefsus (Post 4653971)
Here's a reason for you.

We have an injury prone quarterback. How do we protect him?

BY FIXING THE ****ING OFFENSIVE LINE!!!!!!!

I don't care about Brodie Croyle. He is most likely just another turd Chiefs QB in a long line of them. Even if you drafted offensive linemen, he probably won't make it 6 games.

Brock 03-28-2008 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 4653969)
It's rather simple.
The Offensive Line is this team's achilles heel.
It stands to reason that we'd make it a priority in April.

Why everyone else can't understand that I don't know.

Because this team has 2 achilles heels.

Mecca 03-28-2008 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 4653969)
It's rather simple.
The Offensive Line is this team's achilles heel.
It stands to reason that we'd make it a priority in April.

Why everyone else can't understand that I don't know.

Uh pretty much the entire team is an "achillies heel" start comparing the Chiefs talent at any position to good teams tell me where they compare, this entire team needs upgraded.

Frankie 03-28-2008 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by melbar (Post 4653910)
I'm saying we have to get better before we get good. We're not going to the playoffs next year, but if we can improve to 7-8 wins we'll be in a position to make a move the year after. Its not the end game, but if we only win 4 games again next year, we're moving in the wrong direction and are that much farther away from being a playoff team. The goal should be to get better. I think doubling our win total would be fantastic for this team.

You are trying to reason with people who want to have a "star" on the team and not nececessarily building blocks. That's all they mean by "BPA." they would love for Brodie to fail behind a crappy O-line because "there is Matt Ryan out there." Even if failing means getting beaten the piss out of him behind a crappy Oline. If the sniff-and-discard mentality of some fans were to be followed, the Chiefs would have been without TG, LJ and even Neil Smith.:shake:

Frankie 03-28-2008 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4653917)
No, the goal shouldn't be to get better immediately. It should be to let a whole bunch of young players learn how to play. Not for Larry Johnson to get his 1500 yards, and for Carl to get all his home victories. Personally, I don't care about any of that.

How about for our QB to have a chance to show what he has behind reasonable protection?!

Mecca 03-28-2008 12:23 PM

Uh dude if you take a guy top 5 he better be a ****in star your you just blew your pick. The only guy you named there that was taken in the top 10 was Neil Smith and guess what, he was a ****in star.

Brock 03-28-2008 12:23 PM

Yeah, this team couldn't use any stars. Let's just keep trying to make chicken salad out of dog crap.

Brock 03-28-2008 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 4653988)
How about for our QB to have a chance to show what he has behind reasonable protection?!

Brodie Croyle will not last 6 games before he's injured this year, no matter who you draft. Bookmark this post.

Frankie 03-28-2008 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by melbar (Post 4653920)
Nicks is a Monster and has had some off field issues. 6-5 345 lbs- He could be there in the 3rd and move to RT or Guard. Not just a fata-- either.

3rd?!.... He is projected in the high 2nd most every place I've looked!

Frankie 03-28-2008 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4653919)
It is if you missed out on a better player.

Don't you mean a skill player with "star" possibilities?

Mecca 03-28-2008 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4653991)
Yeah, this team couldn't use any stars. Let's just keep trying to make chicken salad out of dog crap.

He wants a team that gets killed by good teams every year........you aren't gonna win shit with no stars.

Argue for Oline constantly but Frankie guess what, there are numerous good times that spent exactly 0 first round picks on Olinemen.

Frankie 03-28-2008 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4653957)
There are maybe 2 positions on this team that don't need upgraded, and even those are arguable. I'm not going to buy into your "draft offensive line even if we have to reach" theories.

Did you watch ANY of our games last year?

Brock 03-28-2008 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 4654004)
Did you watch ANY of our games last year?

Did you?

Brock 03-28-2008 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 4653999)
Don't you mean a skill player with "star" possibilities?

This means you don't really have much of an argument, I guess.

Mecca 03-28-2008 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4654005)
Did you?

He must be one of those guys that thinks the team is talented it just needs an Oline which is pretty laughable but I've seen it a few times around here...

Frankie 03-28-2008 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4653962)
Then what you are saying is WRONG. Fixating on any position with a team this bad is WRONG.

Did you read my post? I'm talking abou having a plan 'A,' a plan 'B,' and a plan 'C.' You are the one who are insisting we are saying LT or bust. It's like I keep saying "It's a bull" and you keep saying "Then milk it."

Brock 03-28-2008 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4654010)
He must be one of those guys that thinks the team is talented it just needs an Oline which is pretty laughable but I've seen it a few times around here...

I think he, along with a few others, have bought into the WPI "We have a good defense" line of bullcrap.

Mecca 03-28-2008 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4654013)
I think he, along with a few others, have bought into the WPI "We have a good defense" line of bullcrap.

I'm honestly offended by his actual thinking of "I don't want any superstars on my team" it is honestly one of the dumbest things I have ever read.

Brock 03-28-2008 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 4654012)
Did you read my post? I'm talking abou having a plan 'A,' a plan 'B,' and a plan 'C.' You are the one who are insisting we are saying LT or bust. It's like I keep saying "It's a bull" and you keep saying "Then milk it."

If plan A is draft a tackle, and plan B is trade down and draft a tackle, isn't that pretty much tackle or bust?


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