If the Chiefs take Matt Ryan, what happens to all our QBs?
 

What do you think happens next season? Herm does the usual "open competition" for the starting job? Will Brodie still (at least temporarily) win the starting job? Does Huard get sent to the glue factory? Does Huard start the season as we wait for Ryan to get acquainted with the team and the NFL? Do Brodie, Ryan, and Huard get their legs broken and Tyler Thigpen steps in during the preason and lights things up?

Ryan and Croyle will battle it out for the starting job. Huard gets the ax and Thigpen is our 3rd string.

Or Herm could keep all 4 on the roster....because God knows we'll need them all.

They melt in place, just like this board will...

Brodie will bury himself deep in the twin peaks of Kelli.

Huard should be the last option and the 1st QB cut from the team if we pick up a 3rd QB in the draft.

He better be the Day One starter then.

I know everyone wants to sit a young QB for a year, but we have NOTHING to lose by trying to reduce his learning curve.

We're NOT going to compete this year. Playing the game is the only way he's going to grow as a QB.

I'm one of the biggest Croyle supporters here, but if you use a Top 5 pick on a QB, he's gotta play.

Playing Croyle for 2008 solves nothing.

Believe it or not, I would keep and start Huard. If we have a very young O-line, which it appears we will, having an experienced QB to call out where the blitzes are comming from may help that line gel faster. Let Ryan be the backup so he gets more snaps in practice. Let Croyle and Thigpen battle it out for the #3 spot, and possibly keep them both.

Then around game 11, I would start Ryan. Then after the season... bye-bye Huard.

How do you explain the Chargers with Brees and Rivers, then? I know that was kinda lucky for them, but still, there might be something to be said about taking the future of the franchise and allowing him to absorb everything.

Though I do agree with you; I fail to see how Croyle needed to be pampered and given a suitable offensive line to be protected otherwise he would snap like a twig. Isn't that the case for ANY QB we put behind center?

So you're assuming Huard would survive ten games?

I will find you.

I will kill everything you love.

We fuse all three of them together in the lab and make one giant piece of shit instead of three little dingleberrys.

ROFL


Just 'til the new O-line gels TC! Then he is gone.

Apples and oranges IMO.

Brees was an established QB.

I'd rather play him and find out he's a bust in 2010 instead of 2011 or later.

i am sure carl would do the dumbest thing possible which would be to start huard again.

What do you mean by established? His record up to that point wasn't anything to sing about and he appeared shaky as a starting QB. He was mistake-prone and it didn't appear at the time that he could take control of the Chargers franchise

you play Brodie...if he plays well then he has increased trade value (or hell, maybe he becomes the QBOTF)

if he sucks or gets injured, then you play Ryan later in the season...

you gain nothing by playing Huard....NOTHING

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HUH?

He sucked so bad, yet New Orleans gave him a $60M deal?

LMAO

Before the Chargers drafted Phillip Rivers, yes, he sucked. Hard.

He was talking about prior to 2004 season when they drafted Rivers. Brees sucked ass up until the 2004 season.

I'd like to see us start Croyle for the first few games until he eventually gets hurt so Ryan has some time to learn from the sidelines.

I dont want ryan.

We need draft picks so that we can get the talent to build this team up. There's a QB in the 2nd round I want named Chad Henne.

He impressed me from the Senior Bowl.

Then I apologize, I mis-understood what you were saying.

clady and henne... i would be guaranteed to commit suicide before the day was over

Big If... so we are trading JA picks to move up ahead of ATL? to draft Ryan now?

If we draft Ryan then Croyle will either fold or become a stud, that's what always happens when you give guys competition like that.

Plumber folded, D. Anderson of the Browns became a stud.

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I don't know if it's 100% that the falcons draft Ryan. They're just as interested in Glenn Dorsey.

You hope a guy like Chris Williams is there at No. 17 and then you bring Ryan along slowly, playing him some, possibly starting him in the last few games.

Enter 2009/10 with Ryan as the starter.

I think trading Allen for a shot at a franchise QB and LT would be worth it. If it pans out, those two players would have a greater impact than a Pro Bowl DE.

I agree, but if that's their plan then it will suck if Atlanta takes Ryan and Williams is off the board at 17.

Pick Ryan at 5. Trade up with the Bills and get the best LT prospect. They will all be gone by 14 the way it sounds.

God, strike this man dead with a lighting bolt please..

Huard gets cut. How embarassing would it be for ol Herm to watch Damon bury Brodie again and then his new toy MattROFL

Really not worried about it. I think there's zero chance we draft Ryan, no matter what the circumstance.

If Ryan does fall to 5 and they don't take him it would be stupid of extreme proportions because think of what 4 guys go in front to cause that to happen...

Is there a reason some other team can't do something dumb?

There is no way the Jets pass on Ryan if the Chiefs do. Id bet money on it.

Which 4 guys?

Long, Long, Dorsey, McFadden?

That leaves Gholston, Ellis and Ryan.

How you pass on Ellis or Gholston for a guy that grades out as Matt Hasselbeck at best is baffling.

What level of dumb are we talking?

For some reason it appears everyone feels the Chiefs will be the dumb team in the top 5 with those constant OT reach mocks from everyone. I hope that doesn't happen, now I think the Raiders could do something stupid....

Want me to be honest, you don't see it talked about much but I believe there is a legit chance of the first 4 picks being..

Long
Long
Dorsey
Ellis, the Raiders organization has major ties to SC

Then where do you go you have Ryan and Gholston which to many become a serious toss up.

This is a tough question, but I'd dump Huard as a knee jerk reaction.

But I'd give thought to dumping Croyle. You wouldn't take that much of a cap hit. If you drafted Ryan, you obviously don't think Croyle is the answer, and you have a vet as starter/backup for one more season to take an ass beating, while Ryan learns. Anything you get from Thigpen is gravy after that.

Weren't you the "you'll never see two DTs go in the top four" guy?

What happens to James Killian?

Granddaddy Al has a mancrush on McFadden

I think in this situation, you definitely keep Croyle and Thiggy and lose Huard.

Croyle has the tools of a good backup anyway. He's smart, he's got a good arm, the team likes him and now he's got a decent amount of experience. He'll start the year and eventually Ryan will take over either in 2008 or at the start of 2009 with Croyle backing him up -- or hell, if Croyle's decent in 2008, trade Croyle.

I think it's wise to keep Thiggy around, just in case we do lose Croyle and Thiggy develops into a solid backup.

BTW I think the Raiders go Gholston or Long.

No I'm the "you don't take RB's in the top 5 guy" sometimes when projecting you have to look into organizational ties and all that, the Raiders do have serious SC ties in coaching and organization and seem to like to always bring in SC players.

Let's put it this way, I think them taking Ellis is more likely than them taking McFadden.

I also believe you were the "I'm 100% confident McFadden will be in silver and black" guy.

I think he's going to the Jets and have for about 2 months...

The only real confident Raider opinion I ever express was I don't believe they'd pass on Howie's son if given the chance to pick him.

So if Croyle succeeds, trade him so an unproven player with a heavy wallet can start. Sound like something KC would do blow a 1st round pick on a 60 million dollar backup QB

Other than Brodie Croyles odds of being good are well pretty slim.......let's just play with no QB.

I think they're taking a wait-and-see with Clemens...

I think that is the absolute worst way the draft could fall for us. (imagine that, Mecca comes up with it.) If it falls that way, hopefully the Chiefs will make a trade down to someone wanting Ryan or McFadden.

We shall see

Well... define "succeed." If he pulls a Derek Anderson, you extend his contract with a smile on your face.

But if he plays only like 10 games having missed six due to injury, but showed flashes of talent during the games in which he was healthy, I'm thinking we could keep him around as a backup in 2009 as Ryan takes over, or if someone expresses interest in him with a mid-rounder or higher, take it and Thiggy is your new backup.

probowl season

You are aware of the QB's in this conference right?

Yes, Jared Allen had damn good seasons before but got probowl snubs while other media darlings got in. If Croyle, has a type of season worthy of being in the probowl, then all is golden.

And your roster for the 2008 AFC Pro Bowl squad!

At quarterback, Tom Brady of the Patriots, Peyton Manning of the Colts, and Brodie Croyle of the Chiefs!

Manning and Brady are locked into 2 of the spots as they should be.....

And in all seriousness Brodie Croyle is not in the same league or hell even same game as guys like Roethlisberger and Palmer.

Like I said with a functional O-line, we shall see

Are you related to Brodie Croyle? That's really the only way you can have that view of him...

Isn't it shocking that 3 of the 4 QB's I mentioned were 1st round picks...

Are you related to Matt Ryan, since all of the praise you've been giving him? Boy, Please! Like Brady, Favre, and Romo were 1st rounders ?

Well Favre was a high 2nd that Green Bay traded a 1st for...

oh and montana

If we draft Ryan then we need to ditch Huard and go with the youth and develope it. Between Ryan, Croyle and Thigpin one would think we might finally develope a franchise QB.

PhilFree:arrow:

hopefully he'll bury Ryan on the bench until our offense gets a little better ..... maybe after he gets fired. :)

Croyle starts 08 without question.

Then after he, and Bowe start ripping it up, Carl pulls a Gannon, and Makes Herm start Ryan because he too expensive to ride pine.

Croyle plays the 2010 season as the starter for the Vikings after being traded for a 6th rnd pick, and follws Jared, and AP to the SB.

BTW, Brodie looks gay in purple, yet gets blown in his purple jersey by Kelli covered in Champagne wearing nothing, but a tiny #69 jersey tied in a knot.