Whither Dan Williams?
 

For this season, I think we need him, and I hope his foot really is fixed. Finally.

And when I say "need" him, I'm speaking in terms of numbers, plus the amount he's counting against the cap. His @ss had better be on the damn field.

For next year, well, I'll cross that bridge after watching him this season.

I thought he played very well last season, actually, and he did manage to play over 80% of our defensive snaps, if what I heard on the radio is to be believed. But if he looks lazy (although I will say I never thought he looked lazy on the field on Sundays), doesn't work during the week and seems to be a cancer in any way, shape or form...

Bye.

I'm not sure I like the idea of having a player who can't practice during the week on the roster, either, so if he's that gimpy again this season, we need to cut our losses (and I think we will no matter what happens - I believe he's on the roster because we financially cannot afford to cut him).

I like Dan, but I think this is his last year as a Chief. I think he is a better player than Chester, and I like the idea for Browning and Martin in the middle. I think those two know they are not the sack masters of this team and know there job is to stop the run. If we have two DTs that will stop the run, and allow Patton or Maz to move from side to side, I will be a happy Chiefs fan once again.

Hoover

Did "Big Boy" come from Washington?

Nope, Denver

They should dump him this year...he has the potential to be a great DL but it seems he's always hurt...I don't know, I don't think he's dogging it, but what good does it do if he is always hurt?

I will take back my statement and say, they should dump him this year unless he's ready to play by the Rams game...I would still feel better with him in the middle but not if he's hurt and plays inconsistently....if that's the case, I'd rather see Martin play full time so he can develope with Browning as the year progresses.



But Gaz, et al....you have to love what you see and hear about Clemons...I think he's poised to have a career year...he looked awesome on that sack the other night and all the news out of camp indicates he's having the best TC of all the D players...if we have a solid interior so the DE don't have to worry so much about the run...imagine what a monster tandem Hicks and Clemons could be....:D drooling just thinking about it...QB crushing

If nothing else Marty likes to win the battles in the trenches during preseason games. Our DTs won those battles this past Sunday so I'm not concerned so much about DW. If he can get healthy and contribute great but if he can't so what. Wouldn't his cap hit be spread over the next two years if we released now.

PhilFree :cool:

We can't dump him Joe.

Salary cap...

One other thing -- don't forget Owens.

I said something like this on another thread:

If he stays healthy all season, Duane Clemons is going to have a monster season. If he doesn't stay healthy, Rich Owens is going to have a monster season.

In Clemons, Hicks and Owens, I believe we have one of the best trios of DE's in the NFL, and they're going to put a hurting on QBs and RBs.

We had a thread on the cap consequences of releasing Williams a week or two ago. I'll see if I can't find it.

Okay, here it is:

http://216.207.72.135/BB/showthread.php?threadid=18002

I didn't realize the cap hit would be so severe...you are right, we can't dump him...of course the Coaches aren't going to come right out and say he's dogging it, so all I can do is believe them when I hear his injury is not healing the way it should...I truely believe he wants to play and not just collect a check...but I'd like to see him play before I turn 50 which BTW is still many years away....

If Williams is healthy, Martin, Browning, Clemons, Owens, Hicks could form one of teh best DLs in the game...

I'm definitely not missing Fatster McCholesterolton.

It appears to me Dan has some incentive to put together a solid season...if he doesn't he is gone and becomes less marketable to other teams...we are stuck with his salary for this year regardless...might as well let him earn his freedom...I have never seen reason to question his effort when he is on the field, so if he gets healthy why not use him...if he is one of the best front four...use him...he plays hard...I'll worry about the next year later...

If he plays hard, and unhurt and has a good year, you won't have to worry about next year....:)

You know, I bet the KC front office really wanted to cut Dan Williams <i>this</i> season... along with Chester, but they just couldn't absorb that kind of cap hit - at least not all of it in ONE season.

I would not be surprised to see him get the boot at the end of this season - <i>regardless</i> of his play.

I don't know, HC, I could see them waiting until June 1 to try and divide it over two years. That would make it a lighter hit against next year's cap instead of what probably still amounts to a brutal cap hit. We'll probably be pretty active next offseason, and taking a 6 or 7 or however much it is (I don't know...) hit for DW might not be the best way to start. That would neutralize, by itself, all of the cap savings we got by releasing Gray, George, Grbac and the Digester this year.

I wish I knew his actual numbers -- I don't like guessing on this stuff.

And, yeah, I've gotten the feeling they'd have liked to cut him this year if they could have.

That probably is the best move keg(wait until 6/1/02) :)

Draft the best damn DT available and cut Dan 'boo boo' Williams' arse after June 1st.

Okay, who are the players we need to RE-SIGN after this year besides Gonzo and Riley? I thought there was another one...

-Mark

Sunshine,

There are two more players we need to resign. Donnie and DA.

Both players have very high base salaries for next year that need to come down.

If this team continues to move in the right direction, I see no reason why all 4 won't be back next year.

We'll probably draft a Corner, or OLB, or WR with the first round pick.

We have a good D-line without with or without Williams. I would like to see him get healthy and return to 97 form.

If you figure 10-12 sacks out of Clemmons, 10-12 out of Hicks, 10 out of Williams [if healthy] and 5-6 out of Browning... that's a helluva lot of sacks for our starting D-line.

I agree with Cannibal.

I thought Steve Martin and Browning looked damn fine in their roles the other night. Williams can get it in the rotation if need be. Hopefully, we'll be able to renegotiate his salary cap figure and keep him on the team as a backup...

That way we have more money to sign playmakers next year. I don't want to see them pull the $19mil in dead cap money two years in a row. The WORST of the BS players are gone and that's good enough IMO. Keeping Dan won't kill us. Releasing him might.

I'd be careful measuring the DTs play in the first quarter last week. Washington has two new guards, one a second year player and the other a free agent they picked up from Carolina. Additionally, their starting center is coming back from a severe knee injury which caused him to miss all of last season.

I thought our play was good (much better than I expected) but they'll need to play like that a couple more times before I'm willing to say we're okay at DT. I did, however, think we might be fine going into the season, because I like both Browning and Martin, but I really think Williams is a key this year. He needs to play in the rotation.

We need to hold onto Williams and use him as one of our players available in the expansion draft. Todd Collins too. Not sure how many players we'll have to make available but we don't want to be forced into anything and if the Texans take him, all the better for us.

What happens to a player cap wise if we expose them to the expansion draft?

Also, are we liable cap wise if we expose them and they aren't taken?

Just curious.

I'm no expert but I think if a player is taken in the expansion draft, it is up to the team who took him to pay or renegotiate his contract. We would not be held responsible for his salary.
If the player is not taken, they rejoin the team under the same contract as if he had never been exposed. Then we cut Dan Williams.
I'm more interested in not having to expose anyone we don't want to.

I think I'm on a boat, outside the reef on this one. Willing to wait and see, but he is not the type of player to award a long-term contract. I think he needs motivation......

nmt1 - that's a <i>damn</i> good idea!! :D

props!

HC:

Thanks for the props. I'm sure the Chiefs management has thought of this. It would be interesting to see who we exposed back when Jax and Carolina came into the league. The only player I'm positive of is Bryan Barker. The name Monty Grow sticks in my mind for some reason too.

I just figured we'd expose the people we were going to cut anyway....