Should the Chiefs have drafted Aaron Rodgers over Derrick Johnson?
 

Would we have been in a better position now???

Rodgers would have gotten to learn from Trent Green a few years....

Hmmmm....thoughts to ponder.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NFL_Draft

Not really because at the time we were a decent team and were looking for a few players to make us a good team, and we obviously needed help on D. Could go either way really.

Possibly, not looking to the future with the draft hurt our team, we wanted instant gratification and thought we had to take D players...

Of course Vermiel probably would have pissed his depends if he had he was old and had 0 thought about the future of the team.

Johnson had better value when we were drafting. He still does. Rodgers hasn't proved he can play.

The 2005 Draft was a flop for just about everybody except a handful of teams.

****, I'm surprised Grandpa didn't trade our first rounder in '05 for an assistant coach. Vermeil can taste my ass, and Carl can have a double taste for his helping hand.

No. We needed defense at the time. DJ was the pick. I would have imploded had they picked Rogers...

How could you pass up a Butkus Award winner when he falls in your lap.
I can see in a a couple of years we'll probably be having this discussion about Dorsey. :rolleyes:

But, but, doesn't this board go ape shit if someone suggests drafting other than BPA?

NO. DJ is primed to come into his own this year. I have no problems with him being the pick.

And there is no way Vermeil would have risked getting on Green's bad side by taking a QB in the first.

You have bad drafts placing need above all...

ROFL

He and his son would have made amends during the holiday season.

Johnson was the BPA.

Wasn't Rogers being considered as the #1 overall pick?

Unless you think that Linebacker is the next Derrick Thomas, there is no way you can value an outside Linebacker over a potential franchise QB.

That's actually questionable because of his position, many people feel non pass rushing LB's aren't worth 1st round picks.

So unless it's DeMarcus Ware or Merriman it's not worth it.

Heh. You think the Niners might want a do over?

I don't think we should ever draft a QB, unless he's just the total package. We can't develop them.

We need the #1 pick in the right year then because the last guy to resemble what you described is Carson Palmer.

We'll end up with Palmer when he's two years away from retirement.

DJ has been extremely disappointing, IMO.

In retrospect? Perhaps. It's not like Rodgers has proven much yet, though, and DJ was almost impossible to pass on at the time.

:clap:

A true fan.

The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

Hell, forget the Niners wanting a do over. I can't beieve Millen's head isn't on top of a pike outside of the stadium for taking Mike Williams over Derrick Johnson (or any of the other 200 some that were left).

Well, you are talking about different head coaches. Just because Marty couldn't doesn't mean later coaches can't.

He fell to us at 15. He wasn't supposed to be there. Just as Dorsey fell to us. Besides we still had a injury free Green at that point.

As much as Johnson got knocked before that draft it wasn't surprising he dropped.

We needed linebackers and D in general. How could you pass on the Butkus winner when he falls in your lap?

Well LB, non pass rushing ones have proven to been a devalued position in the league...

Johnson was as good as your boy Rivers coming out of college, should Keith Rivers have been a top 10 pick?

Good question, and I don't think Johnson was as good as Rivers coming out, Rivers is much more polished and coached than DJ ever was. I think on pure natural talent they're comparable, I think Rivers is alot more ready and coached.

That speaks more to the differences in Pete Carroll and Mack Brown and not the players though.

should we have draft Dan Marino over Todd Blackledge

time well tell... I like DJ's up side. Aaron Rodgers meh.

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell no.

Gunther has him playing on the wrong side. But since they brought in Williams I guess he's stuck.

Gunther has him playing the CORRECT side. He switched back to his college position this offseason.

Trouble with linebackers is their play for right or wrong is how many sacks they get. Its how Pro Bowl is determined and other factors.

Dammit Carl!

:cuss:

Based upon his college play, Dorsey was the easiest pick in Chiefs' draft history.

Wasn't Marino a crack addict? I wouldn't have jumped on him either.

To be a LB like Johnson to make his pick worth it he has to become Keith Bulluck and Bulluck right now is one of the very best OLB's in the league.

This year will tell for sure. Especially w/ Rogers getting his shot to play. I'm hoping DJ becomes more of a dominant player. Especially in the 2nd half of games.

Just a reminder that Derrick Johnson DID lead the league in tackles for loss last year. He's not a complete bust. :rolleyes:

Is he the second best LB in the division?

I'd say Derrick Johnson is better than any linebacker in Denver. He's not as good as Merriman obviously, but they are different types of players. I'd put him about equal to Thomas Howard in Oakland.

KC probably shouldn't release him.

Well based upon Johnsons play and after winning the Butkus and Nagurski taking him when he fell to the Chiefs was a no brainer.

No doubt. I couldn't believe that he fell to us on draft day.

Thomas Howard who was a 2nd round pick...

Howard has made more plays than DJ though.

In pass coverage. The guy didn't have nearly as many tackles for loss as DJ, and he had one sack.

I doubt he gets six picks every year, either.

it's do or die time for Derrick Johnson, no doubt about that

FYP.

I hope billy hali gets it going too

Thomas Howard is not better than Derrick Johnson. :spock:

Why? Rogers hasn't done shit. The one time he comes in for Favre, he breaks his foot. At least Brodie made it through an entire half before getting broken, and you think he is aweful. Come on now.

I'm sure Raider fans would tell you differently.

Anyway, I really hate the lack of respect for DJ around here. He's a good player. He's not a great player. But people act like he's a disappointment. He's not.

It's because of the value placed on that position, if you take a devalued position really high he has to be above the general player.

If you take a Guard in the first round he has to be Steve Hutchinson for the pick to be worth it.

That's great.

Again, what's really high? He wasn't taken in the Top 5, he wasn't taken at 15, with the perception being that he fell farther than he should have.

23 other teams passed on Rodgers. Derrick Johnson fell to the 15th pick which was a ****in miracle that happened.

When Detroit selected Mike Williams I jumped out of my chair knowing that DJ would fall to KC.

The thing that sucks is every year a player is "just another guy" is another year closer to an acl tear or something that keeps him out a year. What was supposed to be a breakout years ends in pain and so and so is carted off the field, doctors say he may never be the player he was...even if that player wasn't that great

That wasn't the question. The opening thread didn't ask if we should take a LB over a QB in 2005. The question asked if we are better with DJ than we would be with Aaron Rogers.

The guy has played one game, and broke his goddamned foot. If DJ has a Donnie Edwards type career and Aaron Rogers has a Joey Harrington type career, DJ is the better deal. Those aren't huge reaches for either player. But at this point, it doesn't matter one bit what position they were drafted or whether it is a devalued position or any of that shit. It's pretty simple IMO. If DJ contributes more to winning than does Rogers, he's the better deal. Who gives a flying feces if they were a devalued pick?

It doesn't matter at this point anyways. Rogers hans't done anything but break himself. To come to any conclusion now is rediculous.

nuthooks...

God, you're right. Unless some of those guys turn it around soon that first round was awful.

Dang.... you ChiefsFanz is hard to please! Derrick freakin Johnson falls to you in the draft and you question the pick. Heck - I'd trade Thomas Horward for DJ straight up in a minute. Thomas Howard is what he is, DJ has way more up side. He has the talent potential to be a star. I think it would be fantastic for KC to give up on DJ at this point in his career! Just make sure you trade him outside the division....

I'm glad the Chiefs drafted DJ.

Oh, so taking Johnson was a reach?

You are so full of shit.

Hindsight's 20/20. I like Johnson, I think he will be a big leader along with Dorsey on the defense.

Rodgers will be a good QB, but personally I liked our pick then and I like it still.

shit
after all the trouble we had with the last Aa

DJ is a solid player, but at this point he is not spectacular.

The question should be: Do you value a potential franchise QB over a solid outside linebacker?

I wouldn't want to have Aaron Rogers and no DJ. I don't think Rogers is that much better than Croyle. And this D is counting on DJ. He is now the best player on the defense.

Keith Bulluck is also entering into his 9th year in the league and didn't do squat his first couple seasons. Compared to what Bulluck did his first 3 years, DJ is WELL ahead. Who's to say that DJ won't continue to get better, just as it took Bulluck 3 years to even get major playing time.

Uhhh huhhhh. Right.

So I'd rather have Brodie Croyle than Aaron Rodgers at this point. What does that mean in relation to Johnson, who has started for how many consecutive years on this team and made great plays for equally as long?

What has Aaron Rodgers done to date? Aaron Rodgers is so great that the pack drafted Brian Brohm in the 2nd round this year.

AJ hawk, nick barnett, Derrick johnson would have been a nice linebacking core

No Carl should have kept his damn mouth shut last year instead of publicly stating he would take Brady Quinn if he was still on the board. The Browns conveniently traded one spot ahead of us and took him.

Yeah we picked some scrub though with our pick. Besides Quinn was projected as a top 10 pick, it was pure luck he dropped.

Croyle > Asshole Quinn

Just say "No" to Tedford QBs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Tedford