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Why isn't Herm gone? part II
Before the Atlanta game I posted a poll about when to pull the trigger on firing Herm. I think it was partly skewed by the fact that more than half thought he shouldn't have even started this season. Let's take out the rewriting history part. Its a mess, how do you deal with it. I'm posting a poll with a different look. I'd like to hear from the nearly 20% who in the first poll wanted to see how this season plays out.
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Herm has "the pictures."
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btw, forgot to put a link into the first poll
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=192120 |
Firing Herm during this season isn't going to save our season. I'm not a Herm apologist, I'm just saying, firing him now isn't going to change anything.
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unfortunately, we are stuck with this turd for 13 more games. I pray Clark doesnt look at him like a "1st year rebuilding coach"....... |
First, I belive that Herm should be fired no later than the end of the season. Period. But if we lose 16 consecutive games, he should be gone then.
And I don't want to heard about McKay and the expansion Bucs...we are not them. If Herm can't somehow swing a victory in a year, his ass should be run out of town on a rail. For those that say firing him during the season will do nothing, IMO at some point you have to make a statment (to your fans and your players) that buffoonery, poor preparation, etc. will not be tolerated. So you can him during the season as a wake up call to those who remain. |
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I don't see how we are served by having our young players indoctrinated in this system one game longer. We are learning some bad habits. Much like we had to reeducate everyone after being in Grob's defense, we are going to have to reeducate everyone how to play football again after this guy is gone. Is it smart to put out a young quarterback into a system in which it is impossible to succeed? Its no surprise that Croyle is failing with the conservative predictable system. We bring in Chan Gailey to supposedly open up the offense a bit, but are taking out half the playbook. It got to end and end now. |
I am firmly convinced that we will be stuck with Carl and Herm next year.
We will get a new D.C. and O.C. because they will be the scapegoats. If that is the case I am strongly against drafting a Quarterback. I do not want him infected with Herms by a dirty Dick Curl. I would rather they continue to rebuild the Defense (Linebackers and Defensive End and O-line, Wide Receivers) on offense. Trade any players with Piss poor attitude(L.J.-Tony GOLLUM (one ring rules them all)) or who have not played to there level. Derek Johnson, Pollard?, Page, Bell,Sams (Focking Sams), Ron Edwards, Damion McIntosh, Adrian Jones, Jeff Webb, The Invisible Man(DVD), John McGraw, Huard, Thigpen, Pat Thomas, The Napster, Donny Edwards, Nick Novak You know that is just sad how long that list is. Just My thoughts I am Not a fair weather fan, I watch every game just to see a spark. The Players now have dead eyes already. Ang |
He should be fired during the 2nd quarter of the next game. Clark should come down to the sideline, go off on an animated tirade, then grab the headset and gameplan from him and finish the game himself, while Herm slinks away, pouting.
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Did Cameron make it through the whole season last year when the Dolphins went 1-15? I am struggling to think of a coach that was fired during the season.
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IMO, he should have been shitcanned after the Faider game. He ran the option. THE OPTION. JFC...
There is serious merit to the guys that say it can do more harm than good to the continuity of the season and the young guys development. But I contend that Herm's bullshit ass antics aren't contributing much to the young guys development either. Especially on the defensive side of the ball, which is supposed to be his deal. We've got some ballers on that side of the ball, but we very well should, given the draft picks we've committed to it. But their sills and abilities haven't grown much between day 1 and the current time. Moreover, the gameplanning and playcalling (that I don't really think it is arguable that he has a pretty dramatic effect on) is not doing the young guys any freaking favors. I picked "Yes. 3 games would have been enough" because it is the closest I could get to canning him before the season. Plus at some point, you just have to accept that you made the wrong decision and cut your losses and move forward. |
What good goes about from keeping him on the rest of the season? Why do we continue to teach our young players in a losing scheme?
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He's black and the echos of racism would come raining down on Castle Arrowhead. hell, I'm surprised he hasn't asked for a raise like he did with the Jets after a shitty season.
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The sooner the hack is gone the better. Every game he coaches hurts a little more. |
Herm is terrible and should have been fired immediately after last season. He should have been fired again after the Hagans option nonsense and fired again after losing to the lowly Falcons in such pathetic fashion. Herm is a loser who will never get another head coaching job in the league and he offers nothing positive to the team at this point. Fire him and move on.
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people still just don't get that the Hunt Family runs the Chiefs like a business.
firing Herm and then having to pay 2 head coaches is a very difficult business decision. they are trying to ride it out while they are under construction at arrowhead. quick changes generally are bad for a business the chiefs have enough season ticket holders to remain profitable for another year with Herm around. i will still not be shocked to see Herm and Carl here next year. the only thing that will force a change is if the Hunts feel "embarrassed" about the situation. |
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I think the only way it would work is if Gailey got full control of the offense for the rest of the season, and then was allowed to keep full control under the new coach. That would give the team several weeks to learn an offense that doesn't have Herm's dirty hands all over it and not have to learn another scheme next season. Like I said in your previous poll, I think we dug our own grave when Carl decided he was tired of having an offensive coordinator as a head coach and decided to go with a defensive coordinator. |
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No, you have it wrong. Gailey should be promoted to interim coach and then fired at the end of the season along with everyone else.
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think about it this way if you didn't watch the football games if you didn't watch ESPN If you didn't live in Kansas City if you only looked at the scores if you only looked that bottom line profit business statement. you wouldn't be in near the rush to make any changes the Chiefs are still showing 20-30 million dollars in profit each year. if you received a check for 30 million each year would you be ready to make any changes? |
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it should be winning a Championship (yes, Steinbrenner might be insane but he tries very hard to make that his ultimate goal) If the Chiefs are run simply as a business without caring about the success of the team that is pitiful and sad. but regardless of the profits once the product starts to suck nobody is gonna go and pay to see it. The mediocrity made sense because it's like putting a carrot in front of you while you're on a treadmill, and I hate that shit too. you guys can't win. |
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Moreover, if the Hunts were indeed savvy businessmen, they would appreciate the $30M check yearly, but any good businessman would need at least reasonable assurance that the profit stream was sustainable. In conjunction with that, I don't think any decent businessman buries his head in the sand about the factors affecting his precious profitability. The arguement that the Hunts are bad owners because they value business more than winning is valid, but IMO it does not apply to keeping Herman ****ing Edwards on staff. |
As much as I hate to think it, I have a feeling Herm will be here through not only this season but next as well.
Carl has 1 year left on his contract. As much as I am ready for a change at GM, I just don't see Clark firing him. He's been with the organization for 19 years, Lamar thought a lot of Carl and Clark knows that. I think the Hunts are too upstanding to fire a guy one year from retirement that has been close to the family like Carl has been. If Carl is going to be gone after next season, I think it will be tough finding a HC to come in and work for his boss 1 year before a new GM comes in who may want to go in another direction anyway. Carl also said when Herm was hired that Herm would be his last HC hiring. I just don't see a HC change until there is a GM change. I also am hearing that this is supposedly the first real year of rebuilding - that in itself will probably keep the top guys around another season. I may be wrong, I hope I'm wrong, but I really think we'll be back to Herm and Carl next year as well. |
Where is the "Yes, 12 games is enough" option?
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Unfortunately I think you are correct. |
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Any other city or team and these two posers would be gone, But in KC its accepted as status quo. |
Fire Herm at the end of the year, he's had three years and we've only gotten worse with the call to rebuild happening this year, and then give Carl one more draft, if we are horribad next year don't renew Carl's contract and get things going.
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So he will really get this thing turned around.. You know just a few more drafts... |
Very few Chiefs fans will want to fire Herm after our late-season surge.
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unless we change our WHOLE offensive outlook i would say you are wrong claythan, even if we win in the waning moments of the season people are gonna remember herms ineptitude
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To answer the question, Herm isn't gone because ownership has patience and realizes that he shouldn't be judged over the Tyler Thigpen fiasco.
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Oh, I agree completely. When I saw it, I knew why it was said. But you can be sure they will keep pointing to "Rebuilding" even if we aren't better when its all said and done. |
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Rebuilding is one thing, but you still have to be competitive enough so that on any given day, you are worthy to be on that damn football field and win a game. Herm just isn't doing that. He sucks as a motivator, is great at evaluating talent and running a draft board. |
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In weeks 16 and 17 we'll win. This will ensure that, 1) We will pick 3-4 in next year's draft. 2) Everyone's job will be saved 3) We will be hearing for the entire off season that the corner has been turned and we are on the right road so there won't be any off season changes to our over-all game plan. |
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"you keep bitching about having to pay for those preseason games I'll turn the regular season into preseason just to show you"[/Carl Delano Peterson] |
I don't see how ANYONE could have watched that Indy playoff game, and defend Herm after that.
Edit: in other words, a lot of you guys are very late to the party. |
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Herm is a very dumb coach-can't clock manage and chokes when the game is on the line. Not one player is buying into his coaching or we would not have lost so many in a row.
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Hehe, I cant wait till these bums are fired then you can unload on them. I understand you dont want to lose your press pass. |
How could any coach worth a shit-go into a season without a proven QB, Backup QB or any other QB????
Damon should have been shitcanned- Brodie has never won a game and the Pigpen should not have been in the NFL. |
He should have been fired after his first year. Of course, I would have fired the sonofabitch after the Pittsburgh game in year one...
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Firing a headcoach midseason isn't generally a positive for a franchise, particularly if he's in year 1 of a rebuild.
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I swear to you cretins right now. If we don't show improvement at the end of the year, I will be right there with you carrying torches and pitchforks to Herm's office. EDIT - Of course, they could just start Thigpen the whole year if they want a ready-made excuse. :) |
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Whatever, Skip. I made a pledge before the season began to be positive. I'm sticking to that. Just because Tyler Thigpen is capable of making any NFL head coach look dumb is no reason to do an about face. Then you'd just accuse me of flip-flopping, right?
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That said, you should have stayed on this side to begin with. ;) |
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With our luck, we finish 0-16, after the coin toss, we'd be picking 3rd. |
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Trying to pretend there are positives when you're the joke of the league isn't a positive either. |
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Knee jerk reaction, that's all it would be. And it's not happening anyway. Herm wouldn't be here now if they hadn't intended from the outset to give him plenty of rope to hang himself with. They're not going to dump him after 3 or 4 games of a publicly acknowledged rebuild. And saying that is not in any way supporting Herm, it's just facing reality. |
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Somehow calling 2 timeouts (What the shit?) Going with a kicker who has "NFL experience", and promptly blows a 26 yard kick in game 3 over a young guy who made just as many kicks RUNNING THE ****ING OPTION Resigning Kyle goddamned Turley Playing Damian McIntosh Not somehow getting a capable backup for if Brodie goes down Running up the middle time after time after time after time after time for 9,000 straight plays. Not firing the Special Teams coach the Boomer FB Experiment The Kris Wilson FB Experiment RUNNING THE ****ING OPTION (it bears repeating) Alfonso Boone at LDE Adrian Jones with the Youth Movement occurring Running Larry Johnson 416 times Starting Damon Huard in 2007 Having the Best TE ever to play the game running goddamned 2 yard outs Running a Goddamned Draw play on 3rd and 12 with 3 minutes left in the game against Peyton in Peytons house when your QBOTF is playing well and you are supposed to be "seeing what he has" That's not even 1% of all the dumbass shit he has done/continues to do. Herm is a worthless ass sack of ****ing moronic chickenshit coach that is too much of a giant gaping vagina to ever take enough of a risk to win any game of substance. I admit it. I had hope for the guy up until the 2007 Indy game. I could make excuses for that sack of shit up to that point, but it is absolutely hilarious to me that people are still defending this chickenshit epic fail after RUNNING THE OPTION. Rediculous. |
I went with the three games is enough option but would have preferred the "never would have hired him." one.
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**** off.
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Can you say http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies2/owned.gif |
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Fan patience is great.... |
I'm bringing this back out. Today this team played without a bit of spark and showed a total lack of preparation. I will ask anyone who does not think that Herm deserves to be fired right now, do you really think that once this is rebuilding is done in two years, that Herm is putting the pieces together that will take us to the Super Bowl? I personally don't think that his system could ever take us where we need to go. If he is not putting things together, the WTF is he still doing coaching this team.
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Herm is tied to Carl Carl is running the remodel and they aren't canning him now ... prolly not next year either. money ... they are still making it |
I am ashamed that I voted C.
Not only will letting Herm finish the season not help the youth movement, it's going to hurt it. This team has gone way beyond just taking steps backward |
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I wonder what gochiefs bullshit excuse of why herm should still be here is going to be ?
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I honestly just don't think Clark Hunt has a clue. He bought into Herm's line that everything was Vermeil's fault [and Clark said as much in an interview].
Whatever talent deficiencies exist, it's been evident from day one with Herm's rhetoric and game-day coaching that Herm simply doesn't understand today's NFL. Herm has no business as an NFL coach, and I think even Herm knows that, but he's a good BS artist, and has a good instinct for self-preservation. My guess is that Herm and Carl laugh at Clark behind his back. |
Nice conspiracy theory.
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I'm far from a homer. I picked us to lose this week and have done so every week but one.
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