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B_Ambuehl 09-27-2008 11:15 PM

Matt Stafford
 
I'd go ahead and scratch his name off the list. He's another Kyle Boller at best. He has an arm but doesn't have the inherent mental processing skills needed. He totally locks in on his first read and completely falls apart when that doesn't work out. UGA has a receiving corp that rivals that of some NFL teams so he'll have impressive stats, but Croyle actually has a lot more going for him as an NFL quarterback.

Hammock Parties 09-27-2008 11:16 PM

Mecca in 3...2...1...

Tribal Warfare 09-27-2008 11:16 PM

He's nothing like Boller, if any comparison that he's similar to is Farve.

Mecca 09-27-2008 11:18 PM

Um dude, their WR's are complete ass, AJ Green is the only one who's any good, the rest of their guys don't separate and drop balls at huge rates.

Deberg_1990 09-27-2008 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl (Post 5060245)
but Croyle actually has a lot more going for him as an NFL quarterback.


Croyle?? The guy who cant stay healthy for more than 5 minutes?

HolmeZz 09-27-2008 11:18 PM

That's a pretty reeruned post.

Mecca 09-27-2008 11:20 PM

This honestly makes 0 sense, every QB with a huge arm is not a reerun, I've seen that kind of implication put out alot lately. Because a guy has elite physical talent or a huge arm does not make him Kyle Boller or JaMarcus Russell.

HolmeZz 09-27-2008 11:21 PM

Stafford made a handful of really good plays when the intial plays broke down tonight.

MGRS13 09-27-2008 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl (Post 5060245)
but Croyle actually has a lot more going for him as an NFL quarterback.

Croyle can't make it through 4 quarters. He's got nothing going for him. If Stafford can play 3 games and show up for the fourth he's all ready a better nfl qb then Croyle no matter what his numbers are.

Tribal Warfare 09-27-2008 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by HolmeZz (Post 5060261)
Stafford made a handful of really good plays when the intial plays broke down tonight.

in all honesty, he displayed top 5 recognition as a prospect against Alabama.

Mecca 09-27-2008 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MGRS13 (Post 5060263)
Croyle can't make it through 4 quarters. He's got nothing going for him. If Stafford can play 3 games and show up for the fourth he's all ready a better nfl qb then Croyle no matter what his numbers are.

Stafford looks like he ate Brodie Croyle so atleast he looks like he can handle the position physically, that alone means he has more going for him.

B_Ambuehl 09-27-2008 11:25 PM

Yeah and AJ Green is good enough and draws enough attention he makes everything easy for the rest of their receiving corps and all of them are good athletes. I'd bet a lot of NFL teams would give up a 1st rounder for Green right now. Go back through the game tonight and see how many times Stafford went to a 2nd read. He threw into double coverage 10 times at least and were he facing an NFL defense would've been picked off at least 5 times.

We'll see for sure in 5 years but he sure looks like a good potential waste of a draft pick to me.

Mecca 09-27-2008 11:26 PM

I'd like you to tell me how many balls his guys dropped, that Murphy dude dropped 3 or 4 all by himself....

SBK 09-27-2008 11:26 PM

This first post in this thread is dumber than findthedouches rants about Trevor Laws last year.

Mecca 09-27-2008 11:27 PM

Personally I see alot of Jay Cutler in Matt Stafford, and a little Carson Palmer.

Deberg_1990 09-27-2008 11:28 PM

Let me guess B_Ambuehl,

You dont want the Chiefs to draft a QB unless hes the 2nd coming of Elway or Manning right?

MGRS13 09-27-2008 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5060270)
Stafford looks like he ate Brodie Croyle so atleast he looks like he can handle the position physically, that alone means he has more going for him.

Yea hes a big kid. Got a hell of an arm and a quick release. Of course we''ed need a coaching staff that understands the forward pass so he wouldn't have that going for him.

ChiefsCountry 09-27-2008 11:29 PM

Stafford's main problem is forcing the issue and reading defenses. Its correctable though.

SBK 09-27-2008 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl (Post 5060271)
Yeah and AJ Green is good enough and draws enough attention he makes everything easy for the rest of their receiving corps and all of them are good athletes. I'd bet a lot of NFL teams would give up a 1st rounder for Green right now. Go back through the game tonight and see how many times Stafford went to a 2nd read. He threw into double coverage 10 times at least and were he facing an NFL defense would've been picked off at least 5 times.

We'll see for sure in 5 years but he sure looks like a good potential waste of a draft pick to me.

The WR's suck, and nobody was ever open. When you're down big you have to take chances.

Heck, in the first half he had an incompletion that he threw 70 yards and hit the guy in the numbers....#82 dropped everything thrown at him. Well, he did have 2 catches that were great, but he dropped a half dozen other ones.

Without Stafford UGA isn't even a top 25 team.

B_Ambuehl 09-27-2008 11:30 PM

Well from what I saw most of the dropped balls came because they were thrown into double coverage and guys were trying to catch the ball either diving to the ground or with defenders draped all over them. I'd like you to tell me how many times Stafford went to a 2nd read. It's not like Alabamas defense is THAT good, but every pass was blanketed by defenders because all they had to do was read the QBs eyes.

Mecca 09-27-2008 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SBK (Post 5060281)
The WR's suck, and nobody was ever open. When you're down big you have to take chances.

Heck, in the first half he had an incompletion that he threw 70 yards and hit the guy in the numbers....#82 dropped everything thrown at him. Well, he did have 2 catches that were great, but he dropped a half dozen other ones.

Without Stafford UGA isn't even a top 25 team.

People look at their team and don't realize this, they have makeshift line LT out for the year already, true freshman Center. AJ Green is his only receiver their TE's are awful.....most people just know he has Moreno but how much does that really help him when his WR's can't get open?

Mecca 09-27-2008 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl (Post 5060282)
Well from what I saw most of the dropped balls came because they were thrown into double coverage and guys were trying to catch the ball either diving to the ground or with defenders draped all over them. I'd like you to tell me how many times Stafford went to a 2nd read. It's not like Alabamas defense is THAT good, but every pass was blanketed by defenders because all they had to do was read the QBs eyes.

They're WR's don't separate ever....he literally has to needle the ball into tiny windows 8 out of 10 times just to complete passes.

If you honestly think they have an NFL WR corp I question your sanity.

Tribal Warfare 09-27-2008 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5060280)
Stafford's main problem is forcing the issue and reading defenses. Its correctable though.

Hence my Brett Favre comparison

KcMizzou 09-27-2008 11:34 PM

I know it's silly... but that short kid from Mizzou could turn out to be good...

I know, I know.. just sayin'.

Mecca 09-27-2008 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 5060292)
I know it's silly... but that short kid from Mizzou could turn out to be good...

I know, I know.. just sayin'.

Where's Maddog he can talk about Daniel playing some slot WR.

KcMizzou 09-27-2008 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5060293)
Where's Maddog he can talk about Daniel playing some slot WR.

Brad Smith, yeah...

Chase Daniel... not so much.

RealSNR 09-27-2008 11:37 PM

Stafford's been more impressive this year than Sanchez or that guy from Oklahoma, though I've only seen about a game on each of these guys. Tough to say.

Tribal Warfare 09-27-2008 11:37 PM

Another thing If KC does draft Stafford he needs to get a hold of Gonzalez's nutritionist.Which would help his mobility and longevity too.

ChiefsCountry 09-27-2008 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5060293)
Where's Maddog he can talk about Daniel playing some slot WR.

ROFL That was a classic.

KcMizzou 09-27-2008 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5060303)
ROFL That was a classic.

I guess I missed it...

Mecca 09-27-2008 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 5060299)
Stafford's been more impressive this year than Sanchez or that guy from Oklahoma, though I've only seen about a game on each of these guys. Tough to say.

Oh you just downed the Big 12 guy prepare for outrage!

I still hold my belief if Stafford was the OU QB and Bradford was the UGA QB we'd be having a different argument.

ChiefsCountry 09-27-2008 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 5060308)
I guess I missed it...

It was about Andre Woodson from Kentucky.

Mecca 09-27-2008 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 5060308)
I guess I missed it...

Last year he said Andre Woodson would have to switch to WR, a guy who is 6'5 and runs a 4.9 40, it was like saying Matt Ryan could play some QB...then he got offended when I said, just because he's a black QB doesn't mean he can run.

MGRS13 09-27-2008 11:44 PM

Stafford with the first pick over all would be ok in my book........and for you mizzou guys I'd be fine with throwing a 7th out there for daniels, god knows he'd be better then Hutard or Thigpen.

ChiefsCountry 09-27-2008 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5060310)
Oh you just downed the Big 12 guy prepare for outrage!

I still hold my belief if Stafford was the OU QB and Bradford was the UGA QB we'd be having a different argument.

Not this again. :rolleyes:

Mecca 09-27-2008 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5060323)
Not this again. :rolleyes:

All I want to know is where Bradford makes NFL throws, I don't care if he throws for 800 yards a game, I just want to see him make an NFL throw.

KcMizzou 09-27-2008 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MGRS13 (Post 5060322)
Stafford with the first pick over all would be ok in my book........and for you mizzou guys I'd be fine with throwing a 7th out there for daniels, god knows he'd be better then Hutard or Thigpen.

Hmmm... ok...

But Daniel's worth more than a 7th. I'm thinking he might go in the 3rd. And he might be a steal...

MGRS13 09-27-2008 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5060326)
All I want to know is where Bradford makes NFL throws, I don't care if he throws for 800 yards a game, I just want to see him make an NFL throw.

He can throw an out. He has to take a few steps into the long ball though. I think he'll play in the league though. He's not coming out next year any ways. The pick for the chiefs will be either Sanchez or Stafford, I'd be fine with either I just want a legit prospect.

Mecca 09-27-2008 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 5060328)
Hmmm... ok...

But Daniel's worth more than a 7th. I'm thinking he might go in the 3rd. And he might be a steal...

I dunno his height is going to be a major concern, it would be like a WR running a 4.8 40.

ChiefsCountry 09-27-2008 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5060326)
All I want to know is where Bradford makes NFL throws, I don't care if he throws for 800 yards a game, I just want to see him make an NFL throw.

He makes quite a few. He threw alot of them tonight, didn't play the greatest in my opinion tonight bc he was forcing things.

MGRS13 09-27-2008 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 5060328)
Hmmm... ok...

But Daniel's worth more than a 7th. I'm thinking he might go in the 3rd. And he might be a steal...

If he goes in the third I'd be really surprised. You also have to draft his offensive cordinator and I don't think thats gonna happen. He's a late 5th to 7th guy.

Mecca 09-27-2008 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5060333)
He makes quite a few. He threw alot of them tonight, didn't play the greatest in my opinion tonight bc he was forcing things.

I've still yet to see him throw the ball 15 yards downfield into a window. That's an NFL throw.

I get kind of a Pennington vibe off of him sometimes.....Pennington before the rotator cuff issues.

B_Ambuehl 09-27-2008 11:54 PM

Staffords main problem is he's left brain dominant.....like Ryan Leaf, Vinnie Testaverde

95% of NFL quarterbacks and ALL of the great ones are right brain dominant. Here's a couple of interviews with the brain doc, Jonathan Niednagel on the subject.

http://braintypes.com/media/coldpizza.htm

http://braintypes.com/media/espn.htm

MGRS13 09-27-2008 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5060336)
I've still yet to see him throw the ball 15 yards downfield into a window. That's an NFL throw.

I get kind of a Pennington vibe off of him sometimes.....Pennington before the rotator cuff issues.

He's got a better arm then pennington. he is a accuracy guy though, but all that being said he's got way more upside the Croyle.

Mecca 09-27-2008 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MGRS13 (Post 5060339)
He's got a better arm then pennington. he is a accuracy guy though, but all that being said he's got way more upside the Croyle.

Before he tore his rototor cuff Pennington had an ok arm, that's why I said before that, he to me resembles Pennington coming out of college. Pennington looked awesome cause he got to throw to Moss who no one could cover...

Mecca 09-27-2008 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl (Post 5060338)
Staffords main problem is he's left brain dominant.....like Ryan Leaf, Vinnie Testaverde

95% of NFL quarterbacks and ALL of the great ones are right brain dominant. Here's a couple of interviews with the brain doc, Jonathan Niednagel on the subject.

http://braintypes.com/media/coldpizza.htm

http://braintypes.com/media/espn.htm

How do you even know he's left brain dominant.....where is this information at..

I also watched a guy with a theory similar to this one say Carson Palmer would be a bust.

KcMizzou 09-27-2008 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5060331)
I dunno his height is going to be a major concern, it would be like a WR running a 4.8 40.

Yeah... kinda sucks for him.

He's perfect for what he does right now. (In Mizzou's offense)

I'd take him on KC's roster in a second... He's got the awareness, durability, and accuracy that none of our other QBs seem to have.

If he was there in the later rounds... (say 4 -5?) I say we should grab him.

KcMizzou 09-27-2008 11:59 PM

Maybe it's just the homer in me...

But the guy's a winner.

chiefs1111 09-28-2008 12:00 AM

Stafford I think can be good with the right kinda of coaching. Someone who knows how to develop and handle young QB's. Lord knows,Herm isn't that guy...

ChiefsCountry 09-28-2008 12:01 AM

Now if you could just merge Daniel and Stafford together, you could have the perfect quarterback. Of course he might look like Jared Lorenzen though.

Mecca 09-28-2008 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefs1111 (Post 5060346)
Stafford I think can be good with the right kinda of coaching. Someone who knows how to develop and handle young QB's. Lord knows,Herm isn't that guy...

Herm would probably hate Stafford, Stafford does have that Favre attitude at times of, **** I can make this throw that no one else in the world can.

Ultra Peanut 09-28-2008 12:02 AM

You morons just wait. Thigpen is going to be a star by the end of this season.

chiefs1111 09-28-2008 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 5060345)
Maybe it's just the homer in me...

But the guy's a winner.

Maybe Will Franklin will talk him up to the coaches and front office when the draft rolls around. You never know....

ChiefsCountry 09-28-2008 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5060349)
Herm would probably hate Stafford, Stafford does have that Favre attitude at times of, **** I can make this throw that no one else in the world can.

Brodie had that attitude at Bama and look what Herm did to him.

chiefs1111 09-28-2008 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5060349)
Herm would probably hate Stafford, Stafford does have that Favre attitude at times of, **** I can make this throw that no one else in the world can.

Yeah,now that I think on it a little more,I doubt Herm would even take him... Which for Stafford would probably be a good thing

Mecca 09-28-2008 12:04 AM

Well the slight difference there is the organization would be alot more committed to a guy taken with the #1 pick, if he said he hated the coach there's a good chance that guy would be fired.

ChiefsCountry 09-28-2008 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5060356)
Well the slight difference there is the organization would be alot more committed to a guy taken with the #1 pick, if he said he hated the coach there's a good chance that guy would be fired.

And then you have King Carl.

Mecca 09-28-2008 12:06 AM

Also I don't think Herm or Carl have the balls to use a #1 pick on a QB, if we all want one we need to hope the team is bad enough that they're all fired.

chiefs1111 09-28-2008 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5060360)
Also I don't think Herm or Carl have the balls to use a #1 pick on a QB, if we all want one we need to hope the team is bad enough that they're all fired.

Well lets hope that is the case

KcMizzou 09-28-2008 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5060360)
Also I don't think Herm or Carl have the balls to use a #1 pick on a QB, if we all want one we need to hope the team is bad enough that they're all fired.

I agree.. A QB at #1 is too risky.... hell, even in the first round.

They don't have the sack for it...

Mecca 09-28-2008 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 5060366)
I agree.. A QB at #1 is too risky.... hell, even in the first round.

They don't have the sack for it...

Personally I'd pull the trigger but I'd rather try to win something than just be ok.

chiefs1111 09-28-2008 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 5060366)
I agree.. A QB at #1 is too risky.... hell, even in the first round.

They don't have the sack for it...

Yeah,Herm will want to take a kicker lol

KcMizzou 09-28-2008 12:13 AM

It's a waste of a pick anyway...

We can pick up some cast-off vet and go 9-7 again.

:sulk:

BigRock 09-28-2008 12:15 AM

I'm afraid I have to question the talent evaluation skills of anyone who has "Will Svitek - future pro bowl OT" in their sig.

KcMizzou 09-28-2008 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRock (Post 5060374)
I'm afraid I have to question the talent evaluation of anyone who has "Will Svitek - future pro bowl OT" in their sig.

LMAO

Good point.

Chiefs Pantalones 09-28-2008 12:26 AM

There is NO way Herm and Carl are still here if we win like only 2-4 games this year. That's not rebuilding, that's regressing.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-28-2008 04:22 AM

I don't know how you couldn't watch that game and come away impressed from the potential you saw in Stafford. It's not just the arm strength, the guy is an accurate passer and he has to make tough throws to receivers who are wearing DBs like blankets. Some of those across the body throws he made tonight were unreal. It's not his fault his line can't block for shit and his WRs suck dick.

Mr. Arrowhead 09-28-2008 04:25 AM

The guy dont have alot of talent he plays with and that alone would make him a great pick, because when he gets here, he would be used to not playing with great talent

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-28-2008 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead (Post 5060554)
The guy dont have alot of talent he plays with and that alone would make him a great pick, because when he gets here, he would be used to not playing with great talent

I was aghast at how bad that Georgia offensive unit was. They are legitimately terrible.

CoMoChief 09-28-2008 04:32 AM

The plan is simple......Not Herm's plan but the right plan.

If we draft a QB in the first round with our more than likely top 5 pick..........Herm and his staff (offensively) should not be allowed to touch him.

Fire Herm is a QB is drafted.. The last thing we need is to have a top 5 pick be so afraid of turning the ball over that all he does is check down etc.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-28-2008 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5060558)
The plan is simple......Not Herm's plan but the right plan.

If we draft a QB in the first round with our more than likely top 5 pick..........Herm and his staff (offensively) should not be allowed to touch him.

Fire Herm is a QB is drafted.. The last thing we need is to have a top 5 pick be so afraid of turning the ball over that all he does is check down etc.

Just fire Herm period.

RedandGold 09-28-2008 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5060560)
Just fire Herm period.

Can I get an, "AMEN"

the Talking Can 09-28-2008 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5060553)
I don't know how you couldn't watch that game and come away impressed from the potential you saw in Stafford. It's not just the arm strength, the guy is an accurate passer and he has to make tough throws to receivers who are wearing DBs like blankets. Some of those across the body throws he made tonight were unreal. It's not his fault his line can't block for shit and his WRs suck dick.

this

Chiefs_Mike_Topeka 09-28-2008 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5060275)
Personally I see alot of Jay Cutler in Matt Stafford, and a little Carson Palmer.


Dude not sure what kind of porn you watch; but please leave it out of here.

Chiefs_Mike_Topeka 09-28-2008 07:06 AM

My 2 cents............

If the Chiefs have a chance to draft Stafford they damn well better do it.

BigMeatballDave 09-28-2008 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5060246)
Mecca in 3...2...1...

Mecca actually liked Woodson...:D

mylittlepony 09-28-2008 07:45 AM

The Planet locks onto one target aswell. If they didnt there would be more talk about Greg Hardy who absolutly tore up the gators.

milkman 09-28-2008 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mylittlepony (Post 5060660)
The Planet locks onto one target aswell. If they didnt there would be more talk about Greg Hardy who absolutly tore up the gators.

There's a lot of players that I'd love to be able to draft.

Hardy is one, George Selvie is another.

But the fact is, this team needs a QB, and Stafford looks like the guy that can be a franchise QB.

The Bad Guy 09-28-2008 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl (Post 5060245)
I'd go ahead and scratch his name off the list. He's another Kyle Boller at best. He has an arm but doesn't have the inherent mental processing skills needed. He totally locks in on his first read and completely falls apart when that doesn't work out. UGA has a receiving corp that rivals that of some NFL teams so he'll have impressive stats, but Croyle actually has a lot more going for him as an NFL quarterback.

Just another post as to why you are a complete moron.

Croyle has more going for him than Stafford?

Just stop. Are you trying to be the male Tommykat of this board?

The Bad Guy 09-28-2008 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl (Post 5060338)
Staffords main problem is he's left brain dominant.....like Ryan Leaf, Vinnie Testaverde

95% of NFL quarterbacks and ALL of the great ones are right brain dominant. Here's a couple of interviews with the brain doc, Jonathan Niednagel on the subject.

http://braintypes.com/media/coldpizza.htm

http://braintypes.com/media/espn.htm

Let me know when Will Svitek is going to the Pro Bowl.


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