Herm to stick with Huard when Brodie comes back?
 

Brodie Croyle-QB-Chiefs Oct. 1 - 4:40 pm et

Chiefs coach Herm Edwards wouldn't commit Wednesday to Brodie Croyle retaking his starting job when he returns from a separated throwing shoulder.
"We'll talk about that when Brodie comes back," Edwards said, nodding his head repeatedly like it was a bad question. If KC was committed to winning this year, Damon Huard would likely continue to start, but that isn't the case. per rw

I just saw this on tv, and it looks like herm is waffling big time, and kept as it describes above, shaking off the question. It almost sounds like he would stick with Damon if he continues to play decent.

Croyle should be starting if he is healthy enough to play, period. He wouldn't say it's Croyle's job

Croyle should start. I want to give him one more chance. He should excell.

Won't happen.

Last few statements by Herm on Croyle almost makes you feel like Herm has lost some faith in him. If that's the case.... see ya Brodie. Herm's bad side is cold...

Brodie should come right back though IMO...

I can understand why, because he wants to keep his job and he thinks starting Huard will get him a few more wins.

It's goofy how 0-9 and multiple injuries will shake one's faith in a player...

We can't get rid of Herm soon enough.

if we do stick with Huard then we might as well just cut every QB on the roster at teh end of the year because they are worthless to us going forward.

I don't buy that AT all.

I seriously doubt that Clark Hunt is telling Herm "You'd better start Huard and win some games. Otherwise, you're fired".

No. ****ing. Way.

Herm's stuck in a pickle. He's got an old QB who has limited abilities, a young QB who can't stay healthy with a ton of physical ability, a QB that's as raw as and raw can be and a complete unknown in Martin.

Who gives this team the best chance to improve week in and week out and what's best for this organization? Waiting for Croyle to get hurt again or trying to move forward with the development of young players?

THAT'S the issue.

NOT whether or not Herm would lose his job.

Yep, he has to show improvment in the wins area. If he doesnt, he's gone. He's fighting for his job right now.

They're probably worthless moving forward right now.

Again, no ****ing way.

Isn't there an old school rule, you don't lose your job to injury?

If this is a true youth movement you let the guy that may have a future play out the year barring injury...and then evaluate. Huard is not the future starter

For a fan, its stupid to start Huard, but fighting for a paycheck i can see it easy.

Are you kidding me? Herm is sticking with Huard because he's been burned by the same situation before. You can't tell me he wasn't feeling the pressure of perhaps losing his job after the eggs his team laid under the horrible Thigpen experiment. He's not waffling about Brodie. He's already made up his mind. Huard wins and doesn't stink up the joint, he stays in.

FYP. :D

Croyle is starting when he's healthy. Period. In fact, he still gives the Chiefs the best chance to win.

Indeed. All of the evidence supports this. ROFL

The Chiefs don't have a starting QB, so who plays out the rest of the year doesn't really matter...

Croyle played well in New England before he got hurt.

True. He kicked ass during the first series.

When Croyle returns to the line-up, as I'm sure he will, it will be interesting if some posters are quick to claim that he "deserves another shot" when he gets hurt, again.

Huard is best for the youth movement..he will make more players better than Brodie will..on BOTH sides of the ball

This is everything that is wrong with this franchise. The great teams play to win the Super Bowl, we play to win 7-8 games.

Don't you realize the playbook is limited when Huard is under center? The Chiefs can't run bootlegs or much of anything that calls for a moving quarterback. The Chiefs' deep game is severely limited because Huard can't make the throws Croyle can.

Judging by the way people are suddenly sucking off Huard after a 160-yard game, they're going to be SHOCKED when Croyle comes back. It's almost as if people think Croyle and Thigpen are the same player. WTF?

Brodie deserved the shot he had at the start of teh season, and the fact is, a lot of players would have gone out with that injury in the same circumstances.

However, he hasn't been able to stay on the field far to often already.

Give him another chance.
Don't give him another chance.

It doesn't make a damn bit of difference.

It would be foolish for the Chiefs to go into the season next year with the QB depth chart as is.

We need to address the position in the draft and in FA and rebuild the depth chart at QB.

I'm about sick of hearing about the magical bootlegs that this team runs. Also, the deep threat is a major aspect of any Herm-led team, since he has a penchant for risk taking.

Huard and Croyle = different kinds of suck. Get over it.

Huard makes throws that thigpen and croyle cant..more importantly he attempts to make throws that Brodie wont. I can cant the number of swing passes from Sunday on one hand

It's a key part of the offensive attack. We're limited when Huard is out there.

That's just ridiculous.

The only point I might argue with here is whether or not a lot of other players would have been hurt on the same play. Don't get me wrong, Croyle was rocked. But I would have liked to have seen how 15-20 more lbs. of muscle mass would have affected the results.

Brought to us by the same dipshits that tried running the option, during the first series of a game. An NFL game.

Why is it so important to get Croyle on the move? This has nothing to do with trying not to get him killed, right?

Are you serious? Bootleg is no way comparable to the option.

It's one of his strengths? He throws well on the run? It results in big plays?

this all depends if Julius Peppers has himself Huard for lunch i bet he is foaming at the mouth - i'm not yet convinced that Croyle is much more then anything other then a backup QB at this point, he is just to frail to be a QB in the NFL. Huard gives us the best chance to win even if Croyle was healthy

This should be interesting. There's an unwritten law in the NFL that says you don't lose your job due to injury. Also, the youth movement dictates that we start Croyle ... at least until he proves once and for all that he isn't the right guy for the job.

My guess is that he'll return as the starter ... with an even shorter leash (if that's possible) this time around.

FAX

Not comparing the two. Simply commenting upon the brilliance of the Chiefs offensive braintrust.

Sorry, I'm having a difficult time thinking through all the "big plays" Croyle has authored. All the talk of his perceived strengths is meaningless to me because I don't think he'll ever stay on the field consistently.

Should still be Brodie's job, I thought he performed well until his injury.

Maybe they made up their mind on Croyle already.

We haven't reached this point, yet?

Year 1: Injured in training camp.
Year 2: Lost job to Huard in camp, injured when inserted as the starter. Never won a game.
Year 3: Injured 27 seconds into game 1.

Perhaps I'm being too negative, but I don't need to see the next injury.

Exactly. If it were up to Herm, he'd win 6 games/year as long as Carl lets him stay. Mixing in the good QB w/the so-so rookie trys to keep everyone happy. Mostly Herm.

You guys are more reeruned than I thought if you REALLY believe Herm is going to start Huard just to save his job. Not happening.

The QB of the future is clearly not on the team at this point. So, there is no reason to not start the QB who gives you the best chance to win, which is clearly Huard.

Case closed.

I was thinking the same thing. especially if the inquiring about Brady Quinn rumor was true.

I don't have the stats but it would be interesting to see what our 3rd down completion percentage is between the two. It seems like we convert a lot more 3rd downs with huard could just be my imagination though.

It's really quite irrelevant at the moment. Brodie has only thrown 19 passes this season. I'm basing my opinion mostly on what I saw in training camp. There is no way this offense is better with Huard out there. Brodie opens up sections of the playbook they don't even consider with Huard under center.

Do these sections involve throwing passes for a TD? This was a shortcoming in his game in the preseason. Aside from this, Croyle was dominant.

I wasn't dogging you. I was just wondering if anyone had the stats between the two this year and last??

I hope Croyle starts and they throw DOWNFIELD atleast 10 yard routes...

I like Croyle.

I'm done with Croyle. Time for a new direction. He is too easily broken.

There's no question Huard was the better quarterback last year. But that was last year. I don't see how it has any relevance.

No reason to play Huard, he is a backup period. We need to let Croyle play it out, if he sucks then release him!

I think you're speculating.

IF Huard continues to play well and lead the Chiefs to victory, I think they'll be slow to bring Croyle back on the field.

If Huard struggles, Croyle's back in until he's injured again.

I don't know why. Herm is totally committed to finding a young quarterback. They have to put Croyle out there and see if he's the guy. They're probably gonna be 1-4 anyway, so why not put Croyle in after the bye?

Herm would throw his mother under the bus to save his job. He's already thrown everybody else under; he's running out of bodies.

:rolleyes:

Im still waiting to see what these bootlegs do for this offense, so far, it hasn't done shit.

And how the **** do you know the playbook is limited???? dumbass

This team has proved it can compete with a lot of teams when Huard starts.

This is mainly the reason why we made the playoffs in 06

Uh, it's fairly straightforward.

Huard is immobile.

Croyle is mobile.

When Croyle is in the game, they can do more. Duh?

I think thats what is going to happen. depending on our record we will pick a QB in the first round.

And I'm still waiting to see what these 4 yd naked bootlegs will do for this offense. Based on what I've seen in preseason and against NE, this bootleg offense hasnt been effective.

Who said anything about naked bootlegs?

I'm talking about Brodie Croyle slinging the ball down the field for a first down after carrying out a play fake.

With the way the running game is picking up the bootleg could be a very effective play.

Try looking at from a different perspective not wins and losses bet which QB gives our young players the best opportunity to show themselves. This is why the Thiggy experiment pissed me off. As of right now I am leaning toward Huard in that scenario right now, jury is still out. Croyle still has not got me sold yet that he can be competent or stay on the field long enough for this to happen.

It's obvious that Croyle's going to start against Tennessee and Herm has said that clearly in the past. In watching the press conference, it almost feels like Herm is playing a joke on the press. I have no idea why he get such pleasure about putting these things out there to create controversy but it's stupid and it gets him in trouble.

LOL...I can see Carl marching into Herm's office right now and yelling at him.

"HERM WHY DID YOU SAY THAT? LOOK AT WHAT THEY ARE POSTING ON CHIEFSPLANET NOW! DAMMIT, HERM!"

Problem is, they never opened the playbook aganist New England, when it was obvious that the Chiefs needed to go deep, becuase New England's defense weakness is the secondary.

Only one time in the whole f**king football game, the Chiefs threw more than 15 yards while Brokie Croyle was under center.

Herm is a ****ing coward an ignorant pussy

we set back our rebuild, and Croyle's development for a year in order go 4-12 with damon huard

now, we're scrapping croyle after 1 game, for what? to win 3 games with a shit sucking career backup who has nothing to do with the future of our team....

why did we draft croyle, or why draft any young qb? why are we rebuilding if we have no intention of playing and grooming young QBs?

this is such a True Fan, Carl, Win Now, 8-8 move...more of the same

anything to appease our pussy fans...our ignorant cock sucking loser fans....

we deserve to be 8-8, forever...

we're scrapping our rebuild for Damon Huard....think about that

it did look like Herm was jokin around about that Huard starting comment from the KCStar video.

Except score.

You're a ****ing idiot.

Please explain to me and everyone else how the Chiefs are "scrapping the rebuild" by playing Huard, when there are

10 ROOKIES CONTRIBUTING AND STARTING FOR THE CHIEFS.


I'll be anxiously awaiting your stupid response.

I am not excited to see croyle back at all. He hasn't done anything. Huard atleast gets decent reads and if he has protection...looks like he knows what he is doing. I hope croyle proves me wrong. Next year get a qb or a veteran qb (if the best player available isn't a qb)

What if the Chief's organization decided to go against said 'rule' in 1997 when Gannon was leading a KC powerhouse and was then benched in favor of the QB of the future when he became healthy?

True, Croyle has all the tools to be a great QB. Unfortunately, Huard is the only one who seems capable of posting a winning start. Neither seem to be the long term answer but, the proof is there thus far, that Huard can win...Something that has eluded Croyle..

Herm says 'you play to win the game'..... Seems pretty clear what should be done..

I love this place. We're bitching about playing Huard the rest of the year when we haven't even played THE FIFTH GAME YET.

****ing morons.

How bad did we beat the raiders? You can get off that soapbox now.

We would have destroyed the Raiders if Huard had played the entire game. It would not have been close.

May as well release Croyle now then....why not use the rest of the year to determine if Croyle can grow with more games? That just wouldn't be fair, since we are not going to win enough to get in the playoffs, we may as well see what croyle can do. Let the guy go out there and just ****ing play, period. It seems like they have handcuffed him since he's been here. Hell Flacco is out there attempting long passes.

What are you talking about? Croyle's gonna start when healthy... And I don't care right now who plays QB as long as we win with these rookies. Winning is incredibly healthy for their development.

I think Herm's ambiguity on the subject are just to give Damon the impression that if he plays well, and leads the team to victory, he may continue to start.

:D

We need a QB .. I don't think Croyle can stay healthy in this league .. Huard is a good back-up but old .. the rest is filler ...

:clap:

While I wouldn't call benching Brodie in favor of a guy who's most likely only going to play for two more years "scrapping the rebuild" I would call it "extremely stupid" unless they're giving up on Brodie all together as a starter.

If Brodie can't stay healthy, plain sucks or is the next coming of Joe Montana there is no better time to find out than this season. Do you really want to go into next season on with no more knowledge of what he can do than what we came into this one?

That's an exercise in futility in a time when we're supposed to be building. If they bench him for Huard in order to go 5-11 they better at least have the balls to scrap the Brodie QBOTF experiment all together because starting the experiment from scratch again next season would be "extremely stupid" when we can find out now and address the needs or lack there of in the off season.