This has gone beyond "rebuilding"
 

After Sunday's drubbing at the hands of the Panthers, the Chiefs are faced with some cold hard realities. They are going backwards. They have gone so far backwards that they have taken this team to the lowest in it's history.

It is more than obvious Herm has no ****ing clue of how to coach a football team and win. I seriously think that our practices are giant excuse making parties.

Not 1 part of this team has improved from the time Herm has arrived. Not 1. The defense showed promise last year only to take 3 steps back this year.

And Carl is not without blame in all of this. He knew the situation that would be created with our D line when we traded Allen. So from the draft on we didn't make any effort to sign a DE worth a shit. Instead we got suckered into another one of his bullshit schemes where we move the LE to the RE and the DT to DE and pretend it will all work. MLB was not addressed and our O line was improved by 1 player only.

Instead this team wasted time with the likes of BJ Samms ala Eddie Drummond, Devard Darling ala Gardner and still have yet to sign a kicker worth a shit since Stoyo.


It will suck when the blackouts hit. I can't remember a blackout since the Deberg days.

Here is an ugly thought:

Would any other NFL team retain a HC whos working on his third 4 win or less season in the past 4 seasons? (remember Herm went 4-12 with the Jets in 2005)



Only the Chiefs.......

Or a president and general manager that hasn't taken his team to a Super Bowl...well...ever?

and we TRADED a pick for him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cuss:

Nope just us cause we are dumb...............

The Falcons, Dolphins and Bills are teams that could say they are rebuilding.

Rebuilding would imply they are building toward something.

The Chiefs don't have a longterm play at QB, or MLB, which are the 2 most crucial positions to have players at during a rebuild.

They don't have a DE worth shit, 2nd WR or right side of an offensive line.

What we have been sold is a bad bill of goods.

Herman Edwards has won TWO games in a years time and he still parades around like his job is locked up regardless of performance.

Seriously, **** this whole team.

Good Lord...i had forgotten about that.


I need a gun....

How could you have forgotten? The thread gets bumped after each loss.

Up until last week, everyone was expecting 0-16. After the game last week, I actually read where people thought we could go anywhere for 5-11 to 8-8. Now, we're back to never winning again (this season anyway). I haven't been a Chiefs fan for very long, but I knew better than to expect great things from one good game. We're too inconsistent and our coaching sucks.

It is pretty simple, you need one of two things to win consistently, superior talent or superior coaching. With so many rookies and QB issues we obviously don't fall into the superior talent, and we don't have a coaching staff strong enough to make up for any of the deficiencies. I truly believe the coaching staff thinks that we will go into the game and run our offense, without putting any effort into seeing where the real weaknesses in their D are and how best to take advantage of them.

You never hear Herm talk about how they had saw some things earlier in the week that they thought they could take advantage of, not that it means that they are not and just not talking about it, but I don't think any of us see it.

I'll never forget that we brought in the guy that DV's guy out coached in every single phase of the game.

I don't usually agree with many of your takes, but this is spot on. I suspect it is also one of the reasons that Dorsey hasn't looked as effective as he might've.

Yes, we worked so hard to get a coach with a coaching record of less than .500.

We all know that what happened today and against Atlanta and against Oakland is going to happen a lot this season. That's why I find it humorous when people get all angry about it. It's not like it's unexpected.

QFT

This.

b/c were still not set (as current things stand) at QB and passing is Herms antimatter. if he even thinks about it he instantly bursts into flames.

hell i would rather us throw it deep and rack up the ints instead of the lack of gameplan that we witness every week. say what you will but if were going to lose lets at LEAST have a young guy at QB.... that way we at least have a reasonable excuse for getting whipped. telling everyone the net YPC from LJ jsut gets us laughed at and moved into the corned with a dunce hat... :shake:

i knew it would be bad but we looks worse than a high school JV team........

By the way good to see our Gators win this weekend against the Arkansas...... Though then again we should have anyways

Rebuilding starts and ends with a QB. Im still in shock the Chiefs went into this season relying completely on Brodie Croyle. An Epic fail.

Im not shocked,remember Herm Edwards is dumb............

I'm not angry, I'm well into acceptance mode here.

Agreed. Its even worse when people try to paint it as if we are the worst NFL team in years and are uniquely bad. The truth is that there are teams every year just as bad as us and that we aren't even the worst team in the league right now. Everyone knew we were going to suck, everyone wants Carl gone, and practically everyone wants a new coaching staff. There is no need to go overboard.

I thought it would be bad, and wanted Herm gone, but did you really think it would be this bad?

given that i know where you work i would say thats in the both of our veins atm....... :deevee:

Not this bad no..... I mean we don't even look like an NFL team at this point

I'm betting that Carl wasn't keyed in enough to understand this.

This goes well beyond Jared Allen.

But what I really don't understand is why would they ever trade a young stud end when they were rebuilding?

Robbing Peter to pay Paul never is a good idea.

Wise words, Mr. Basileus777. To me, it isn't the fact that we "suck". It's "how we suck" that's bothersome sometimes.

I just want to see consistent, overall improvement in the play at key positions (CB, DL, WR, whatever) and I want to see the guys fight hard until the last whistle. As long as that happens, I'm okay.

Oh, and I'd like to see the coaches stop impeding the development of the players by calling games like they're pulling plays out the ass of a mushroom addict they picked up off the street outside the stadium.

FAX

The jury is still out on the Allen trade. It all depends on how Albert develops. If he ends up our LT of the future, then it was well worth it.

I think their excuse was something about his ,well he is one more DUI from a year suspension... That being said I like the guys we got from the draft picks we acquired for Allen..

Then that would mean we traded one stud position for another. We robbed Peter to pay Paul. Not really good enough.

Who else did we get with that trade? Charles and Cottam?

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I agree with the team not improving, sans punting team..

But you cannot use JA as a reason.. The guy is on a team that is 10x better defensivly with talent and is performing under par after getting paid.. It was better to move on..

As for the RE to LE with Hali, I agree, we should have brought somebody in or promoted somebody up instead of switching Hali.. I blame Herm on this, the guy is clueless outside of the draft board..

Yes.

Go back and look at some threads before the season started. There have been calls of 0-16 since last year, from posters here and "experts" alike. Most preseason polls had us last.

Did this many people forget that?

This is what happens when a fanbase has to be weened off of mediocrity.....

No I also thought they would be bad and would only win a couple if any. I guess I just didn't see them as (worst offensive performance in 22 years) bad.

Until we get a legit QB prospect we aren't even rebuilding, we're just spinning our wheels.

Damn right. Brodie Croyle has to go, Pigpen has to go, and even Huard must go now! Without that qb, we will fail.

Why get mad? I enjoyed lunch with my wife, and even though KC was on tv locally here in Atlanta I wasn't worried. I got home in time to watch the 3rd quarter, and after Thigpen's first series I went and took a nap. It was a great afternoon, completely stress free.

And Mecca is right, until we get a QB to build around we ain't building anything.

I couldn't not watch the Chiefs live if I had the opportunity. It doesn't matter how bad they are.

I watched em, but when they're getting pasted why continue? I saw a whole quarter which was plenty for today.

I had a great time laughing at my pathetic team and yelling at the ineptness, mainly because i started Carolina's defense and they will be the reason I win. Thanks Chiefs!

London Broyle is back in 2 weeks, atleast it will be something different, right?

Oh, I'm not blaming you or anything. Most of my life I have lived very far from KC and had to settle for the morsels or the occasional nationally televised games (those are getter more rare every year). I spent 2 years at Ft. Leavenworth and took advantage of all the Chiefs media as well as actually seeing them play at Arrowhead.

Of course, this was a but whupping of biblical proportions, maybe I would have taken a nap with the Mrs, too.

Anyone who thinks this is par for the "rebuilding" course is fooling themselves.

amazing what the dolphins can do in a year's time

Yeah, because everyone knows that the Cleveland Browns made the Super Bowl the year after they came back into the league and that the Houston Texans are 4-0 instead of 0-4.

:rolleyes:

That's exactly why all of the Trade LJ talk makes me laugh. When he puts up 198 yards on Denver, that talk is gone I've noticed. LJ may not be "young" but still.

Thats how I feel too. I knew we would have rough times (today was way beyond rough) I understand we needed to rebuild the problem is we needed to rebuild from the top to the bottom. That means Carl and Herm have to go to make it any better.

It's pretty obvious that this team has no discipline. You can tell that they don't practice hard and that no one is in fear for their jobs. When you compound that with the fact that our coaching staff is woefully inept, there isn't anywhere to go but further down.

At halftime today they asked Herm what they had to do. He said "tackle better, block better" as though those were the only reasons why we were getting our asses whipped. He said nothing of making adjustments to what Carolina was doing on offense or defense

Hey now, Huard threw it deep once yesterday. Granted, there was no reciever within 30 yards of the pass, but he threw it deep.

and even though they sucked, who did both of those teams select 1st in the draft to rebuild with? A QB: Tim Couch and David Carr

People are going to get bent out of shape, but this is what rebuilding is. You can't have a rainbow without some rain

My whole thing is, the true "rebuild" wont begin until we get a REAL QB.

part of the rebuild was taking a look at croyle, so we know what we got there. So even though we don't have a qb, we are still rebuilding

And why do they STILL suck - many, many years later?

Drafting a QB #1 isn't the cure-all some here claim it to be.

and we saved a boat load of money...

What a reeruned post.

You never get the point.

yes

Agree, however the key word in your post is "legit."

I am not using JA as a reason. I am saying that Peterson did nothing to get another true DE signed and instead moved people to positions they never played before and expected to be productive.

Question: Comparing the most productive years under Marty S. vs. the Herm years, what are the biggest differences that you all see? Obviously a strong talent level difference at certain key positions. Doesn't it also seem that the players of that time played like they had more invested in their performances every week? Does it simply boil down to discipline?

One of the mantras I always heard the commentators jaw about Marty was, his uncanny ability to pull a guy off the street and make him a good football player.

Herm obviously lacks that ability. In fact I think Herm is quite the opposite so far.

The tricky thing is, look at the difference in the team between the Denver game and the Carolina game. It's baffling how completely opposite the play in those 2 games were right? How in **** can that be possible huh? We shut down one of the best offenses in the league, and established our run game early and dominated the entire game. But yesterday we couldn't dominate the opposing cheerleaders if we tried. We do have the ability though. We showed glimpses of that against Denver and against New England. We're not quite as horrible as we look, but we will damn sure look that horrible on many occasions.

Rebuilding is like this. Young teams will go from retarted to respectable in a week. And back again. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if we came back in 2 weeks and put a hurting on the Titans. Very likely not, but it wouldn't surprise me. Teams in this position are completely unpredictable. They will break your heart bad if you're not prepared for it. Add in the fact that the coaches are inept and totally failing at random, and we have a swirling cauldron of shit to root for. And it will be this way until major changes are made. Just enjoy it for what it is.

That about sums it up...consistently inconsistent!

If you got "suckered", you have only yourself to blame. I don't know why anyone is surprised about this. We went into the season with an injury prone QB, who, (surprise!), got injured week 1. We had only an older, weaker, and less talented Elvis Grbac backing him up. We had a young, inexperienced defensive line, and rookies in the seconday, and no true MLB. You shoulda done the math.

I was at the game yesterday. Boy wsa it pitiful. It really sucks when you go so big so early and can't get your running game into the mix. How the hell did they run so well against us, they were missing 2 of their starting O-Lineman. I WANT CHANGE. CARL AND HERM NEED TO GO!!! LET'S BRING IN BILL COWER.

Its Cowher and No, No we dont need to keep reliving the 90's....

time for fans everywhere to let go of Carl and Mediocrity... Hiring Cowher is Carl and Mediocrity...

Jesus people why would you want to keep getting kicked in the nuts over and over and over? Do you actually enjoy that?

LMAO!!!!!!

its kinda like the end of "Cableguy" when he falls on the antenna and cable goes out then people pick up a book and spend family time. consider the arrival of Herm and the non arrival of CP to be much the same thing. the competitive nature of your team goes out and you then realize that the sun WILL rise tomorrow...and since its so nice outside you go and take a nice walk with the kids.

and did you see the medic's near Herm on the sideline? seriously he couldnt breathe the pain from chucking it deep was almost too much to handle. ROFL

Pretty much its puzzling what people think. A bunch of young guys are going to look like a Super Bowl team one week and next look like horse crap.

Thank God for fantasy football, otherwise football would be much more disappointing.

There is no such thing in the NFL as "rebuilding". You draft well, and you coach well, and you will be good. You do one well, and the other poorly and you will be mediocre. You do both poorly and you will be the Chiefs and Lions.

We knew the O would be painful to watch this year .. but what the **** happened to the D ...

It is a pity how often that song pops in my head.

Actually, it isn't baffling at all. If the D we are playing is horrible and can't stop the run it opens up our offense. If we can't run, we can't even get first downs and our D isn't strong enough to hold any team back for long, and can't get any real consistent pass rush going. The not being able to move the ball also makes it easier on the other teams O, because as long as they shut down the run, they don't have anything else to really fear.

Rebuilding...implies it was built in the first place. Carl is still working on getting the foundation poured twenty years later.

You're right. This is a newly started franchise.
:rolleyes:

And we certainly have the kind of young talent and staff Houston does.
:rolleyes:

It's okay...He wasn't thinking.

Well said. :clap:

I'm starting to think about dumping my Ravens defense, and just picking up whoever is playing the chiefs each week.