Would the Chiefs beat Texas?
 

This should usually be an obvious answer...as Texas will probably have 10-15 players that currently play (whether they are freshmen, sophomores, juniors or seniors) drafted...so obviously KC will be the more talented team.

But with Thigpen at QB, and our coaching staff, would we be able to gameplan to beat Texas?

If so, how much do we win by?

This would be much more interesting than what we usually get on Sundays...

fucking reerun

Yes

I'm not sure they could beat Texas Christian.

FFS.

The Chiefs could run their reerun offense and would rack up 500 yards on the ground against Texas.

It's pretty simple.

Run your base cover 2. The Chiefs front four would apply constant pressure to McCoy...literally every time he dropped back to pass he'd be running for his life. They would have no running lanes, and the Chiefs defense would have considerably more speed from sideline to sideline.

You can sucker McCoy into throwing to what appears to be an open receiver and jump every route, or use the corner's closing speed to contest or pick nearly every throw.


On offense you can just run between the tackles and annihilate them. If you want to get fancy, just have Thigpen throw it as far as he can and watch Bowe, Darling, Franklin, or whomever run by their secondary.

If the Chiefs played whistle to whistle, it would probably be something on the order of 91-0.

This is the funny thing with message boards and sports talk radio. As terrible as the Chiefs out there...with as many real and observable reasons to slam them people still feel like that have to make up and exaggerate stuff to get their points across.

how about this...

If Thigpen was Texas' QB, would they be undefeated?

Or...

If the Chiefs offense lead by Thigpen replaced Texas' offense...would they be totally unstoppable?

Herm and his staff would replace Texas', obviously.

Is Texas on our schedule? What week do we play them?

I honestly think Texas would win.

Yes.

They would score 100 points a game.

You really don't watch college football, do you?

edit i thought Texans

Lets focus on just the offense then...

Other than Bowe, Gonzalez and LJ...we have a bunch of project players and late round picks playing offense for us...

Would the Tyler Thigpen lead Chiefs offense with Herm & Co. at the helm with a typical BCS college defense win a National Championship? Would they be unstoppable?

I have my doubts. I think they'd be fine as long as they consistently handed the ball to LJ...but if they try to air it out I think Thigpen would **** up at a consistent rate just like he does now.

I honestly think your a douche.

No, not really.

Well if we'd really win by 91, I wish they were...it would be nice to see us actually execute something every once in a while on offense...other than a miracle catch in triple coverage.

Every player on our team was one of the best if not the best players on their college team. The majority of any college team wont even make an NFL roster, not to mention start for one.

Stupid thread. Texas could not beat the Lions. You're talking about a team which has the potential of having about 25-35% of their players actually playing in the NFL vs. a team that has players on it that were all good enough, (except Thigpen) to be signed to an NFL team. All be it a shitty one, your still talking about the best players in the country.

This is a stupid question. The NFL is made up of the best of the best athletes in the world...not many Rookies light the world on fire their first year in the NFL...now imagine an NFL team coming in to play any college team...experience, speed, complexity...advantage NFL...

...it wouldn't even be close. Chiefs would annihilate any college team.

...it's a stupid question.

Although I believe we would win by a wide margin, if this post were true, then Bowe, Franklin, and Darling(serioiusly Darling?) would have been completely unstoppable in College. I don't know who Darling's QB was but, But the other two had QB's better than Thiggy in college. Abert is 1 year removed from college at a different position, and I'm not sure A. Jones, and Nicewonger would dominate the way you think.

ROFL...

You do realize that guys like Darling, Franklin, and Webb can just run by that entire secondary, and that their CBs would be shucked off like flies if they tried to tackle Bowe 1 on 1?

The offensive line of Kansas City would just annihilate their D-Line...annihilate.

You are seriously talking about a 5A state champion team playing a 1A state championship team.

Thigpen would literally have all day to throw every play.

There almost isn't a proper way to quantify how big of a leap there is in quality from College to the NFL.

And you would be wrong.

NFL project players with experience against NFL players > High level college players

So an offense consisting of...

QB: Thigpen
RB: Smith
RB2: Charles
FB: Cox
WR: Bowe
WR2: Darling
WR3: Webb
WR4: Franklin
TE: Cottam
LT: Albert
LG: Waters
C: Niswanger
RG: Jones
RT: McIntosh

That would put up a 100 a game? I left out LJ and Tony Gonzalez to make it somewhat realistic...

I'm just wondering if Chan Gailey turns that offense into a juggernaut/can't lose/100 points per game/unfair to the rest of college football type offense...because that would surprise me since outside of Bowe and Albert it consists of a bunch of 3rd-7th round caliber players.

The problem is 3/4 of Texas roster will not play a down in the NFL, and that is being conservative IMO.

The Chiefs roster is filled with players who were DRAFTED from the NFL, and they were drafted because of size, speed, etc.

I agree we would destroy them, but it's more like a 1a state championship team against, a 5A 2-9 team.

You know why Mizzou didn't just have Franklin run deep every play? Because the line couldn't protect long enough and Daniel's arm wasn't strong enough to get it to him.

Texas would lay their corners literally 10 yards off the line of scrimmage on every play.

Even Tony is going to be about as fast as their safeties, and a guy like Cottam would just eat them up over the middle.

That's not to mention the fact that no one could run with Charles, and Brian Waters could cave in half their D-Line by himself.

This argument is so stupid it's just offensive.

In 1925 the NFL Pottsville Maroons played a team made up of the Notre Dame All Stars and won 9-7. This Notre Dame team included the "Four Horseman", and the NFL was widely regarded as a joke.

:)

No I get what you're saying...

But is the offense I just posted really better than the USC offense that featured Matt Leinart/Reggie Bush/LenDale White/Dwayne Jarrett/Steve Smith and a bunch of NFL caliber lineman?

I'm saying...I think a lot of coaching staffs in college football could come up with a much better gameplan than Herm Edwards.

Put that USC offense against the KC offense I posted with similar defenses and does Herm Edwards really beat Pete Carrol?

You overestimate Herm's coaching.

You just don't understand the difference in speed and size between college and the NFL. That's not to mention execution.

They would put up a 100 every game easily. Easily.

Yes, and it's not close.

Lest we forget that Pete Carrol failed miserably twice in the NFL, and even as great as those USC, or past Miami teams are, very few of those players make it in the NFL.

USC would be lucky to score 3 points against the Chiefs defense.

You're getting no argument from me. I know we would win by 50, but you're explanation holds no water.
Jamarcus Russel had ALL DAY to throw to Bowe in College.
He's bigger faster, and has a stronger arm, than Thiggy and accoroding to you, he could have just thrown it up to Bowe everytime, and been successful.

Again, I'm not arguing that it would even be a contest.

That team I just listed?

I say if you take Waters off that team, there is no possible way they'd be as good as you're making them out to be.

I don't care how slow a defense might be...Thigpen would be what, the 10th best QB in the Big 12? Smith and Charles wouldn't be the best RB's in college football...

You can't tell me that offense listed is better than the USC offense the year Texas beat them in the National Championship game.

God, I feel like I'm listening to ****ing Colin Cowherd.

you should be euthanized if you believe this

I'm not talking about the Chiefs defense anymore...I understand that point.

I'm talking about that offense against the Chiefs offense minus LJ/TG...

This thread was intended as a bashing of Herm Edwards...

I realize the Chiefs defense would dismantle a college offense...

But is our offense really capable of hanging 100+ every week on a good college defense? How about without LJ/TG? I highly doubt it...not with our inept coaching staff and the fact Tyler Thigpen is not only the worst QB in the NFL but he'd probably be what, the 50th best in college football? Just because he has some speed and a good arm doesn't mean he'd translate to anything in college football...he played at Coastal Carolina for god's sake...he's a project player that has absolutely no business even being a project.

Who was their #1 Receiver: Dwayne Jarrett. What has he done so far in the NFL? Nothing.
Who was their #2 Receiver: Steve Smith: What has he done? Play a little slot.

Their offensive line had 3 NFL caliber players on it: Kalil, Rachal, and Baker, but let's also remember that none of them received any NFL coaching yet, nor have they ever lined up against someone who would command a double team on every play, let alone a line full of players who would command one on every play.

USC has better running backs, period. But they aren't going to have anywhere to run.

Leinart's receivers aren't going to have any separation. His tight ends are going to get swallowed.

Do you have any idea the kind of havoc that a D-Line of Tamba Hali, Glenn Dorsey, Tank Tyler, and Turk McBride would wreak on a college line?

It's just obnoxiously stupid.

I don't think people realize how open college receivers are. Go watch an Oklahoma game, or the Texas-Mizzou game, or USC when Leinart was there. It's not difficult to throw to a guy who is just running free--it's really not.

That's why Kliff Kingsbury, Timmy Chang, and Graham Harrell can put up 10K yards and can't even catch on to a ****ing practice squad.

You could simply run sprint right option with Thigpen every play and gain 20 yards.

You could fax the script of every play you are going to run to the defense and they would not, and could not stop them.

I don't get what you're doing right now...

I just friggin' said I'm not talking about defense anymore. I understand the Chiefs defense would dominate any college offense. I get it.

I'm talking strictly offense...I've said this to you for the last 5 posts...

That USC offense had to be better than the Chiefs current offense. As of now, we have LJ/Tony Gonzalez/Bowe and Waters...everyone else is a 'never was' with little coaching as well.

And Leinart is so much better than Thigpen it is sickening. I think the Chiefs would be better from here on out with Todd friggin' Reesing at QB over Tyler Thigpen.

If it takes a hen and a half a day and a half to lay an egg and a half, how long does it take a grasshopper with one wooden leg to kick all the seeds out of a dill pickle?

Texas just gave up 31 points to a team whose lineman are 2* recruits from ****ing Brookfield and Marshall, Missouri and whose quarterback is 5'8" and can't throw a football more than 45 yards in a straight line.

Think about that.

What about just the Chiefs skill players...

Thigpen
LJ
Bowe
Darling
Gonzalez

If we gave those 5 players to say, UCLA and made Herm Edwards the head coach...would that offense be totally unstoppable and make UCLA the national championship frontrunner?

Are those 5 players with Herm Edwards as coach better than what the best college team has at those positions?

I actually understood what you were saying 15 posts ago...The Chiefs defense alone would probably never give up a point against a college team.

But I have my doubts that a Tyler Thigpen lead college team with Herman Edwards would be as effective as you're saying it would be.

Branden Albert was a dominant player in college. McIntosh was all Big 12. Adrian Jones was a ****ing bookend tackle in college. Waters...we don't even need to go there. And Niswanger was a dominant center in the SEC.

Bowe was the second best receiver in all of college football his junior year.

Cottam has the same size and better speed than Chase Coffman.

Tyler Thigpen has more speed and arm strength than any of those Nebraska QBs who were racking up Heisman's and converting to safety in the NFL.

Jamaal Charles was a Freshman All American and the best RB in the Big XII last year.

Kolby Smith averaged over 6 yards a carry in college.

Darling caught 30 TD's in college and averaged 16 yards a catch.

Think about that for a second.

Yes. People don't understand how shitty college coaches are.

You know why Texas players flop so much in the NFL? Because Mack Brown can't assemble a staff and is a horrible ****ing coach.

Pete Carroll is a horrible ****ing coach.

These guys can't gameplan for shit.

College football is 95% recruiting and 5% coaching. That's why Missouri, a team with superior coaching and marginal athletes, just got destroyed by Texas.

I'm not saying you aren't making good points...

Obviously you are. I am just repulsed by Tyler Thigpen. And Herm Edwards.

Chiefs might beat Iowa State. Otherwise they'd be last in the Big 12 North.

So you're saying Herm Edwards has a future in college football? I could see him being a pretty good recruiter.

I have no doubt that Herm could run a 6* college program. None whatsoever. It's why guys like Nick Saban, who are propagandists, do so well in college and flop in the pros. Kids like the rah rah shit. Adults don't buy into it.

You need X's and O's to win in the pros.

In college, you just need a QB who scored a 6 on his Wonderlic and whose entire coaching regimen consists of

"This play you are throwing to Limas Sweed. If he's not open, run."

That was Texas' gameplan during the entire Nat. Ch. game for Vince Young and his entire college career. Yet, it worked.

And I understand that. I hate them both. But you've got to ground the hate in some type of reality or just start being endlessly sarcastic and using hyperbole...which I often do.

I had this discussion with a Mizzou fan at work yesterday.

Him: "I'd put $1,000 on Mizzou vs. the Chiefs"

Me: "Oh yeah, well you'd lose $1,000 pretty quick"

That's the short version of it.

I wish Herm would just go off his rocker and start doing some crazy shit with the offense...make it at least enjoyable for the fans...triple reverses, half back passes, statue of liberties, fake punts, going for it on 4th and 15 from their own 20, 76 yard field goal attempts, drawing names out of hats for who gets to kick the ball off the tee after scoring drives (if those occur)...we could lose 100-0 and at least I'd enjoy watching the game. I think we're about at that point...all out blitzes...leaving WR's uncovered just to try and **** with the opposing team...using Colquitt at RE...this stuff could save Herm's job. His approval rating would surely soar.

Tyler Thigpen was a damn good college quarterback as well. To many of you look at the Coastal Carolina thing way to much. He led them to the I-AA playoffs and for them to qualify for it would be the same as Boise State or Utah going to the BCS. I follow that level of football and he was well respected and put up good numbers.

If you really wanted it to be a game:

Make the Chiefs play Texas 9 on 11 on both sides of the ball.

KC would probably play a 3-3-3 on Defense, substituting Pollard for DJ, and moving DJ to Mike.

KC would have to play with 4 O lineman. Resign Jason Dunn. He's better than 95% of college tackles anyway.

Change the rules so that Dunn is eligible even if he's covered up.

Have your O consist of

X TGCGDunn Y
Thiggy
Charles

It's probably be pretty damned interesting.

it couldn't be nearly as interesting as yesterday's game...I was on the edge of my seat when we were 1st and goal from the 1 cheering the Titans to step it up and keep the shutout streak alive...and they did! Of course Herm pussed out and kicked a field goal which made me hate him even more...I wanted to see us go at least another 4 quarters without a score. I figured we were safe with Thigpen at the helm and Novak as our kicker...

Don't know if this is a serious question but the Chiefs would pound the shit out of Texas, USC and any other college team you want to name.

However Mack Brown would destroy Herm in a battle of Xs and Os.

The obviously bigger, faster, and stronger Chiefs players would steamroll the manifestly smaller college team. During the post game presser Herm would say "we were able to get the ball to our playmakers" and "our coaching staff did an outstanding job this week". Carl would raise parking fees by $1.

They would crush them. It would be a complete annihilation.

Man it sure is nice to talk about the Chiefs like this isnt it?

Yeah, I don't think it'd be as big of a blow out as you think. Probably Chiefs 41, Texas 17

The best college team would not stand a chance against the worst NFL team. Period.

A reeruned chimp would destroy Herm in a battle of Xs and Os...

Back in the 60's or 70's The Super Bowl Champions played The College All Stars. They did it several years The games were surprisingly close. The College guys may have even won one. Don't remember. I'll bet somebody could look it up.

Glenn Dorsey might turn Colt McCoy into Brodie Croyle.

In fairness, there are only 53 Chiefs and something like 20 million people in Texas.

The 4A champ of Texas HS maybe

I don't think a college team would beat a pro team but at the same time I disagree with some of this...there are alot of guys on the Chiefs roster that were pretty marginal college players, especially offensively.

Also Texas has more than 15 guys on their team that will get the opportunity to lineup in the NFL. Not to mention college or not Brian Orakpo and Sergio Kindle are better pass rushers than guys on the Chiefs roster and would give them some issues.

They'd easily win but I doubt they'd score 90 points. If you wanted to compare NFL to college USC probably has the most NFL talent of any college team and even all of their guys aren't sure fire NFL guys. But I could probably name 5+ guys that could start on the Chiefs roster right now off that team.

The Chiefs don't have anybody like Selvie.

15/90 vs. 53/53.

Ok now that's Texas....how many NFL players do you think are on SC's roster 45?

Well, let's look at how many got drafted the last four years and then try and extrapolate that out.

Also consider that SC's QB is going to be a rookie of rookies when facing an NFL caliber defense, and the fact that their lines are going to be facing basically their toughest individual matchups...all at the same time.

Sure but I'm saying there is a ton of NFL talent on that team..if you started comparing them position to position with the Chiefs their talent is close.

No, it's really not.

Their ultimate upside is somewhat close on an individual basis.

Think about it this way:

College football is abolished, the NFL has one year left and it will be dissolved.

If everyone on USC were put into an expansion draft with every other existing NFL team, who is going to have the least players drafted?

I'm pretty sure there are 15 starting NFL players on SC's roster.

When Miami was in its prime of primes, they had 5 guys taken in the first day of '03, 6 in '02, and 6 in '04.

Now, most of those were first round guys, but you also had guys like Vernon Carey, Mike Rumpfh, Phillop Buchanan, Jerome McDougale, William Joseph, and Andrew Williams.

They have comparable ultra high-end talent. But the bulk of talent on the guys who are starting is so massively in favor of an NFL team that it's going to lead to mismatches all day and just flat out annihilation.

15 guys who would start right now?

Well if we're comparing to say the Chiefs...think of how many D guys they have that could start right now...

Phillip Buchanan is actually a starting player on a team with a winning record right now.

3. Taylor Mays, Cushing, and Maulaga.

Maoloa would not start and none of their corners or DE's would.

I would bet my left arm Everson Griffen is better than any end on the Chiefs...and he's almost assured to be a top 5 pick whenever he enters the draft.

Moala could, it's a matter of if you like him more than Tyler I guess but even if you do that it's probably 6 guys. On offense...Sanchez, Havili, Damian Williams..O'Dowd to name a few would play right away.

Can anybody find what happened when the College all stars played the SB Champs? I don't know where to look.