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petegz28 10-26-2008 02:14 PM

How many games do you give Thigpen?
 
how many games do you give him before you take a chance on him as the starter next year?

talastan 10-26-2008 02:15 PM

Till he pulls another game like the Atlanta game

talastan 10-26-2008 02:16 PM

Which he will....:shake:

Mr. Laz 10-26-2008 02:16 PM

you get another QB this offseason regardless


even if Thigpen is great you still draft a guy

The Franchise 10-26-2008 02:16 PM

I'll give him credit if he can do it 3 games in a row.

PastorMikH 10-26-2008 02:18 PM

Lets just see how he does the rest of the season. Was today a glimpse at his ability or was it a one game fluke? If he plays like this the rest of the season and able to stay healthy, I'd feel less pressure to get a stud QB in the off-season.

But, I'd still be for drafting a QB either way.

chiefs1111 10-26-2008 02:18 PM

if he continues to play well the rest of the season then maybe. He played good today but im not ready to say he's our QOTF just yet,not even close

KCUnited 10-26-2008 02:19 PM

All of them.

Smed1065 10-26-2008 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 5154669)
you get another QB this offseason regardless


even if Thigpen is great you still draft a guy

This, unless you are KC.

Micjones 10-26-2008 02:21 PM

Unless he falls into a funk I give him the rest of the year.

the Talking Can 10-26-2008 02:21 PM

there is nothing thigpen can do to keep us from drafting a qb....

Braincase 10-26-2008 02:22 PM

He bought himself another start today, that's for sure.

kstater 10-26-2008 02:22 PM

You draft a QB in the draft regardless of what Thiggy does.

Inspector 10-26-2008 02:22 PM

Well...he does seem to be one of the more improved players here lately.

jidar 10-26-2008 02:22 PM

We don't have anyone else to play so Thigpen gets the rest of the season, period.

petegz28 10-26-2008 02:23 PM

I thought that was some of the best QB play we have seen in a few years. I just hope it wasn't a fluke.

BigMeatballDave 10-26-2008 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 5154669)
you get another QB this offseason regardless


even if Thigpen is great you still draft a guy

This.
I don't EVEN want to go into next season with Huard and BC on the roster.

ClevelandBronco 10-26-2008 02:24 PM

What choice do you have? You give him every game left this season to see if he's a legit #2.

ROYC75 10-26-2008 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco (Post 5154762)
What choice do you have? You give him every game left this season to see if he's a legit #2.


If he plays this way all year, he's the # 1 going into next year.


I said IF

ChiefGator 10-26-2008 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROYC75 (Post 5154829)
If he plays this way all year, he's the # 1 going into next year.


I said IF

Yeah, but you still draft a QB in the top three rounds next season.

Deberg_1990 10-26-2008 03:40 PM

If he plays well the rest of the year, if im the GM, i still take a Qb #1 overall next year.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-26-2008 03:43 PM

You give him the next 25 games. After that, you hand the reigns over.

JohnnyV13 10-26-2008 03:53 PM

If he plays well for a game or two more, don't be surprised if he then has a bad streak. By then, D coordinators will have more film on him and might find tells to jump his routes.

Even then, you will have to give him more starts to adjust. The guy has some good physical tools. Today he showed accuracy. We should be VERY encouraged by his play. This performance was better than most of Brady's early starts.

ClevelandBronco 10-26-2008 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROYC75 (Post 5154829)
If he plays this way all year, he's the # 1 going into next year.


I said IF

You're absolutely correct. IF.

I mean long-term #2. I just doubt that he's the Chiefs' QBOTF, but strange things happen in this league.

If the kid can play, let him do the seemingly impossible.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-26-2008 03:58 PM

Has Callahan been working with the QBs?

SDChief 10-26-2008 03:58 PM

He looked like a different guy today. If he can play like that he will have a roster spot for sure, but Huard is going to be gone, maybe Croyle too, you have to draft a QB on the first day no matter what. He could be a Derrick Anderson type and come out of nowhere, but the Chiefs will have to use a pick on a QB no matter what.

JuicesFlowing 10-26-2008 04:03 PM

I'm not sold on one game, but he played good today. I'd still like to see Dr. Quinn, but if Thigpen has arrived, ride it.

ClevelandBronco 10-26-2008 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 5155185)
If he plays well the rest of the year, if im the GM, i still take a Qb #1 overall next year.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5155203)
You give him the next 25 games. After that, you hand the reigns over.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyV13 (Post 5155251)
If he plays well for a game or two more, don't be surprised if he then has a bad streak. By then, D coordinators will have more film on him and might find tells to jump his routes.

Even then, you will have to give him more starts to adjust. The guy has some good physical tools. Today he showed accuracy. We should be VERY encouraged by his play. This performance was better than most of Brady's early starts.

All true. This was a great game and an encouraging moment. If he keeps it up, I'll really be on the kid's side. He's coming out of nowhere.

A career as a starter for a while then as a good #2 for a few years is more than even Thigpen himself should have hoped for.

Good luck, Tyler.

triple 10-26-2008 04:07 PM

you still draft a QB even if thigpen is balls the rest of the way. let them compete for the job.

CupidStunt 10-26-2008 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 5154723)
there is nothing thigpen can do to keep us from drafting a qb....

Silly response. If he plays most games like he did today, there's no WAY you draft a QB high. Simply no way.

Obviously that's as big an "if" as you can possibly get, but it's possible.

But you're talking about a guy completing 66% of his passes at a good YPC average with a couple TDs and no turnovers, and if he was to average something like that for the rest of the year, there's absolutely no doubt that he gets another year.

SDChief 10-26-2008 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by triple (Post 5155308)
you still draft a QB even if thigpen is balls the rest of the way. let them compete for the job.

this

if he did and made the team at least competetive, you would have a Derrick Anderson situation (kinda). But they got to draft a QB next year no matter what. Huard will be gone, Brodie might be gone but cant be counted on if he isnt

SDChief 10-26-2008 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lj4mvp (Post 5155315)
Silly response. If he plays most games like he did today, there's no WAY you draft a QB high. Simply no way.

Obviously that's as big an "if" as you can possibly get, but it's possible.

But you're talking about a guy completing 66% of his passes at a good YPC average with a couple TDs and no turnovers, and if he was to average something like that for the rest of the year, there's absolutely no doubt that he gets another year.


I think it depends on who is there when you pick. if someone falls in your lap you have to consider it. But if he plays like this the rest of the way, it eases the desperation a little.

ClevelandBronco 10-26-2008 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lj4mvp (Post 5155315)
Silly response. If he plays most games like he did today, there's no WAY you draft a QB high. Simply no way.

Obviously that's as big an "if" as you can possibly get, but it's possible.

But you're talking about a guy completing 66% of his passes at a good YPC average with a couple TDs and no turnovers, and if he was to average something like that for the rest of the year, there's absolutely no doubt that he gets another year.

Then give him the year after drafting a guy who can learn the game for a while.

You're not looking to start a rookie QB on day 1, are you?

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-26-2008 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lj4mvp (Post 5155315)
Silly response. If he plays most games like he did today, there's no WAY you draft a QB high. Simply no way.

Obviously that's as big an "if" as you can possibly get, but it's possible.

But you're talking about a guy completing 66% of his passes at a good YPC average with a couple TDs and no turnovers, and if he was to average something like that for the rest of the year, there's absolutely no doubt that he gets another year.

Derek Anderson is laughing at you.

CupidStunt 10-26-2008 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5155385)
Derek Anderson is laughing at you.

Derek Anderson didn't play nearly as well all year as Thigpen did today, nor did he do it in this shitty offense, nor the Browns spend a TOP-FIVE pick on Brady Quinn.

Maybe if someone slips and KC takes him with their second-rounder, but not top-five, in this scenario.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-26-2008 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lj4mvp (Post 5155500)
Derek Anderson didn't play nearly as well all year as Thigpen did today, nor did he do it in this shitty offense, nor the Browns spend a TOP-FIVE pick on Brady Quinn.

Maybe if someone slips and KC takes him with their second-rounder, but not top-five, in this scenario.

Yeah, I must have imagined the fact that he threw for almost 4000 yards, 30 Touchdowns and went to the Pro Bowl.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-26-2008 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lj4mvp (Post 5155500)
Derek Anderson didn't play nearly as well all year as Thigpen did today, nor did he do it in this shitty offense, nor the Browns spend a TOP-FIVE pick on Brady Quinn.

Maybe if someone slips and KC takes him with their second-rounder, but not top-five, in this scenario.

The Browns didn't spend a top five pick on him. They spent #22 and #36. That's equivalent value to the 9th or 10th overall pick.

CupidStunt 10-26-2008 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5155513)
Yeah, I must have imagined the fact that he threw for almost 4000 yards, 30 Touchdowns and went to the Pro Bowl.

<3800 yards and 29 TDs, nevermind 19 INTs, and everyone knew it was the system/surrounding talent.

You're missing the point. If the massive improbability that Tyler Thigpen keeps it up actually comes to fruition, the Chiefs simply ain't taking a QB with a TOP-FIVE pick, nor should they.

There's a 99.9 percent chance it's a moot point, but DE in particular will become a much bigger priority.

S FLA CHIEFS FAN 10-26-2008 05:16 PM

HERM
 
Edwards looked dumbfounded in all the tv close up shots and was simply out coached look what change can do (Miami plays hard and tries to win)

boogblaster 10-26-2008 05:17 PM

Thiggy is looking better .. earlier this week I posted if he had a QB coach he'd probably win 3 - 4 games this year .. he got screwed out of this win ...

petegz28 10-26-2008 05:18 PM

If Thigpen panned out for some reason we need to draft O-line first and foremost. Even if Thiggy doesn't I think you almost still have to draft O line first.

What good is someone like Bradford if he is broken?

the Talking Can 10-26-2008 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lj4mvp (Post 5155315)
Silly response. If he plays most games like he did today, there's no WAY you draft a QB high. Simply no way.

Obviously that's as big an "if" as you can possibly get, but it's possible.

But you're talking about a guy completing 66% of his passes at a good YPC average with a couple TDs and no turnovers, and if he was to average something like that for the rest of the year, there's absolutely no doubt that he gets another year.

huh?

of course you draft a QB in the first....the first time two decades that we'll have a shot at a top QB, and you'd pass because a 7th round pick played decent, but losing football in 8 games?

what is it with Chiefs fans?

you have to draft Stafford....period

anything else is idiocy...a will to suck...

but we'll hear every excuse under the sun why we should pass on the most important position to the franchise...

getting a QB is the only priority for this franchise...everything else is a distant second...

i can't even believe we're having this discussion, that's how insane it is

CupidStunt 10-26-2008 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 5155553)
If Thigpen panned out for some reason we need to draft O-line first and foremost. Even if Thiggy doesn't I think you almost still have to draft O line first.

What good is someone like Bradford if he is broken?

While McIntosh sucks and Herb doesn't appear to be the answer, RT is not as important as finding a legitimate pass-rusher.

tk13 10-26-2008 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 5155571)
huh?

of course you draft a QB in the first....the first time two decades that we'll have a shot at a top QB, and you'd pass because a 7th round pick played decent, but losing football in 8 games?

what is it with Chiefs fans?

you have to draft Stafford....period

anything else is idiocy...a will to suck...

but we'll hear every excuse under the sun why we should pass on the most important position to the franchise...

getting a QB is the only priority for this franchise...everything else is a distant second...

i can't even believe we're having this discussion, that's how insane it is

What happens if we draft 2nd behind the Lions, and they take Stafford?

I like Stafford too, and maybe it won't come to that, but everyone's acting like that's a foregone conclusion, but there's still one team just about as bad as we are and they need a QB too.

CupidStunt 10-26-2008 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 5155571)
huh?

of course you draft a QB in the first....the first time two decades that we'll have a shot at a top QB, and you'd pass because a 7th round pick played decent, but losing football in 8 games?

what is it with Chiefs fans?

you have to draft Stafford....period

anything else is idiocy...a will to suck...

but we'll hear every excuse under the sun why we should pass on the most important position to the franchise...

getting a QB is the only priority for this franchise...everything else is a distant second...

i can't even believe we're having this discussion, that's how insane it is

You completely missed the point. If you could read, you'd already know I generally agree with your position on the QB debate.

But IF Thigpen was to keep going at a 66% rate with a good YPC average and a great TD:INT ratio, he deserves to play. We're talking about playing at a Pro Bowl level over eight games in a shitty offense for a shitty team.

It'd be different if the QB sitting there is Peyton Manning, and then you can take him despite the Pro Bowl play of your current QB. But Stafford is not even close. He's an $80 million risk, and IF Thigpen looked like a great young QB, you stick with him.

Context, for **** sake.

the Talking Can 10-26-2008 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 5155581)
What happens if we draft 2nd behind the Lions, and they take Stafford?

well, then we draft a fullback and sign thigpen to a 10yr, $100 mill contract



or, we evaluate the remaining QBs....

CupidStunt 10-26-2008 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 5155597)
or, we evaluate the remaining QBs....

Or you take the best available pass-rusher or other WORTHY player and live to see another day.

You don't take a QB for the sake of taking one, FFS.

Stafford IF he proves worthy, absolutely. But there will be no one else at the top.


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