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'Hamas' Jenkins 12-17-2008 04:09 PM

Do You Suffer from TFS? True Fan Syndrome? If So, We Can Help
 
Do you lie awake at nights dreaming of 8-8, or 9-7?

Do you judge a season as a success by a Wild Card birth?

Do you believe that defenses and running games are more important than franchise QBs?

Do you hate wide receivers?

Do you love coaches with a complete inability to spot talent at the running back position?

Do you think that 3-13 is better for the long term future of the franchise than 2-14?

Do you think the 2002 Bucs and 2000 Ravens are model NFL teams to aspire to?

Do you find playoff records to be irrelevant?

Do you believe that guards and right tackles should be taken with top five picks?

Do you believe that a quarterback is best served as a game manager?

Do you believe that every 3rd Down play should either be a screen or a draw?

Do you believe kicker is the most important position on the offense?

Do you believe that all of the best prospects reside in the Big XII?

Do you believe in trading down in any situation during the draft?

Do you believe that a team is better served picking 20 rather than 5 because they don't have to pay the player as much?

Do you believe that the only way to be a winning team is to throw money at the most expensive Free Agents every year, regardless of need?

Do you judge QBOTF by their box scores?

Do you think that risk is scary, and therefore, wish to draft last in every round to avoid the perception of failure?

Do you think that Marty and Bill Cowher are the only two coaches left on the planet?

Do you think that Gunther was once a great coordinator?

Do you think that reaction is safer than action?

Do you think every other team that actually drafted a QBOTF just 'got lucky' and that it could never happen to us?

Is your name [alias of claythan and hootie]?

Do you prefer tailgating to Championships?

Do you fear the unknown?

Do you believe that 'being close in the 4th quarter' is the objective of an offense?

Do you believe that the run sets up the pass?

Do you believe that Stafford "has done nothing worth mentioning" in college?

Do you think QBs don't need to know how to play from under the center, and that learning 5 and 7 step drops is irrelevant because once Thigpen completed a 7 yard pass to a hall of fame tight end in quadruple coverage?



If so, you may suffer from TFS, True Fan Syndrome. Here at the ChiefsPlanet Clinic, our staff of experts can help rid you of this debilitating malady. Through study of game tape of such contests as Super Bowl XXIII we can help ameliorate the effects of play not to lose football.

Upon registering at our world-renowned clinic, you will be given the following ID badge:

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...rabies/tfs.gif
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...rabies/tfs.gif

After six weeks of therapy, our cure rate for TFS approaches 91%, which ironically, is slightly better than Herm Edwards' losing percentage the last 23 games.

If you or a loved one suffers from TFS, please, contact us immediately.

We're here to help.

Sincerely,

The ChiefsPlanet Clinic

DaneMcCloud 12-17-2008 04:10 PM

I love Playoff Births.

They're much less messy than human births.

:p

The Franchise 12-17-2008 04:11 PM

This should turn out beautifully.:popcorn:

OnTheWarpath15 12-17-2008 04:12 PM

ROFL

ArrowheadHawk 12-17-2008 04:13 PM

Do you enjoy watching your team lose?

If the answer is yes than you might be a reerun.

Deberg_1990 12-17-2008 04:13 PM

Classic.

MikeMaslowski 12-17-2008 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5305807)
I love Playoff Births.

They're much less messy than human births.

:p

You have to score to get both though..... Can you get laid if you have TFS?

L.A. Chieffan 12-17-2008 04:14 PM

Marty and Chase Daniels would be so awesome

Crush 12-17-2008 04:14 PM

I feel a HOC nominee in the making.

DaneMcCloud 12-17-2008 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 5305827)
Marty and Chase Daniels would be so awesome

Reesing, man, Reesing.

FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(*#U)(#*YR)#8yr8ytw498ytp

OnTheWarpath15 12-17-2008 04:16 PM

If only Hamas had mod powers, and could put that ID badge in the signatures of posters he felt were deserving.

ArrowheadHawk 12-17-2008 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5305842)
If only Hamas had mod powers, and could put that ID badge in the signatures of posters he felt were deserving.

Or not.

DJ's left nut 12-17-2008 04:17 PM

Do you think Josh Freeman is an NFL quarterback in waiting?....

My point: There is more than one classification of reerun on this board. One shouldn't throw stones...

The Franchise 12-17-2008 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5305842)
If only Hamas had mod powers, and could put that ID badge in the signatures of posters he felt were deserving.

ROFL

MOhillbilly 12-17-2008 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5305842)
If only Hamas had mod powers, and could put that ID badge in the signatures of posters he felt were deserving.

lowd almighty thatd be friggin sweet.

OnTheWarpath15 12-17-2008 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MOhillbilly (Post 5305851)
lowd almighty thatd be friggin sweet.

It would make sifting through the rubble of this place a shit-ton easier, dontchathink?

Rain Man 12-17-2008 04:19 PM

The first one is a trick question. You can't lie awake and still be dreaming.

The Franchise 12-17-2008 04:19 PM

Can I get one that says 12-4? That number just sounds good to me.

MOhillbilly 12-17-2008 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5305856)
It would make sifting through the rubble of this place a shit-ton easier, dontchathink?


not to mention the hilarity thatd insue.

Rooster 12-17-2008 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 5305848)
My point: There is more than one classification of reerun on this board. One shouldn't throw stones...

True dat.

FringeNC 12-17-2008 04:21 PM

Worshipping Gunther Cunningham is a SURE sign one has full-blown TFS.

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-17-2008 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 5305863)
The first one is a trick question. You can't lie awake and still be dreaming.

Here, take this bar of soap and head into that shower with all those other people over there.

luv 12-17-2008 04:23 PM

What about going to games even when your team sucks?

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-17-2008 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 5305848)
Do you think Josh Freeman is an NFL quarterback in waiting?....

My point: There is more than one classification of reerun on this board. One shouldn't throw stones...

I hate Freeman, FWIW.

Mark M 12-17-2008 04:26 PM

Quote:

Do you believe kicker is the most important position on the offense?
If so, you're not suffering from TFS -- you're a ****ing idiot who doesn't know kickers are on special teams, not offense.

;)

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna grab some popcorn ...

MM
~~:)

Crush 12-17-2008 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 5305871)
Worshipping Gunther Cunningham is a SURE sign one has full-blown TFS.


According to my non-existent medical knowledge, the worship of Gunther Cunningham is a symptom of full-blown TFS. There is no cure for full-blown TFS.

DJ's left nut 12-17-2008 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5305890)
I hate Freeman, FWIW.

Really? Must've had my sarcasm meter off that day.

In which case, stone throwing portion redacted as to you (but not Freeman fanboys posting in this thread, he sucks baws), rest of post remains in effect.

Carry on.

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-17-2008 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crush (Post 5305904)
According to my non-existent medical knowledge, the worship of Gunther Cunningham is a symptom of full-blown TFS. There is no cure for full-blown TFS.

Of course there is:

kill yourself.

DJ's left nut 12-17-2008 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crush (Post 5305904)
According to my non-existent medical knowledge, the worship of Gunther Cunningham is a symptom of full-blown TFS. There is no cure for full-blown TFS.

Antifreeze.

MOhillbilly 12-17-2008 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crush (Post 5305904)
According to my non-existent medical knowledge, the worship of Gunther Cunningham is a symptom of full-blown TFS. There is no cure for full-blown TFS.

http://www.highenergyconstructs.com/...ked%20nazi.JPG

what happens to em'?

Chris Meck 12-17-2008 04:29 PM

running games and defenses more important than franchise QB's?

Hmm. yep. I do. See Dan Marino. See John Elway's first 3 SB teams. See all three of the Giants SB winning teams. See Pittsburgh.

unless you really think Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisberger are truly elite QB's. In which case I don't know what to tell you.

Franchise QB won't get you squat if you can't block anybody, tackle anybody, or run the ball.

That being said, I'm not against drafting a QB, I just don't think it's all that wise to take one at the top of the draft.

KCCHIEFS27 12-17-2008 04:31 PM

Okay, I'm in..now what is it you do to help me? Pull out my scrotum for you to lick, you say?! Wait, am I being cured or is this just for your pleasure?

Crush 12-17-2008 04:31 PM

Kill oneself with antifreeze? Touche.

Simply Red 12-17-2008 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5305842)
If only Hamas had mod powers, and could put that ID badge in the signatures of posters he felt were deserving.

**** HAMAS

Crush 12-17-2008 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MOhillbilly (Post 5305923)
what happens to em'?

They become in engulfed in the mediocrity and defend it until their last breathe. Therefore, they are incapable of participating in a rational conversation.

Reerun_KC 12-17-2008 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 5305926)
running games and defenses more important than franchise QB's?

Hmm. yep. I do. See Dan Marino. See John Elway's first 3 SB teams. See all three of the Giants SB winning teams. See Pittsburgh.

unless you really think Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisberger are truly elite QB's. In which case I don't know what to tell you.

Franchise QB won't get you squat if you can't block anybody, tackle anybody, or run the ball.

That being said, I'm not against drafting a QB, I just don't think it's all that wise to take one at the top of the draft.

True Fan Alert!!!!!!

Herm just got a ball massage...

ChiefsCountry 12-17-2008 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 5305926)
running games and defenses more important than franchise QB's?

Hmm. yep. I do. See Dan Marino. See John Elway's first 3 SB teams. See all three of the Giants SB winning teams. See Pittsburgh.

unless you really think Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisberger are truly elite QB's. In which case I don't know what to tell you.

Franchise QB won't get you squat if you can't block anybody, tackle anybody, or run the ball.

That being said, I'm not against drafting a QB, I just don't think it's all that wise to take one at the top of the draft.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...rabies/tfs.gif

Hammock Parties 12-17-2008 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5305807)
I love Playoff Births.

They're much less messy than human births.

:p

I have corrected that error more times than I care to count. :doh!:

CoMoChief 12-17-2008 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5305797)
Do you lie awake at nights dreaming of 8-8, or 9-7?

Do you judge a season as a success by a Wild Card birth?

Do you believe that defenses and running games are more important than franchise QBs?

Do you hate wide receivers?

Do you love coaches with a complete inability to spot talent at the running back position?

Do you think that 3-13 is better for the long term future of the franchise than 2-14?

Do you think the 2002 Bucs and 2000 Ravens are model NFL teams to aspire to?

Do you find playoff records to be irrelevant?

Do you believe that guards and right tackles should be taken with top five picks?

Do you believe that a quarterback is best served as a game manager?

Do you believe that every 3rd Down play should either be a screen or a draw?

Do you believe kicker is the most important position on the offense?

Do you believe that all of the best prospects reside in the Big XII?

Do you believe in trading down in any situation during the draft?

Do you believe that a team is better served picking 20 rather than 5 because they don't have to pay the player as much?


If so, you may suffer from TFS, True Fan Syndrome. Here at the ChiefsPlanet Clinic, our staff of experts can help rid you of this debilitating malady. Through study of game tape of such contests as Super Bowl XXIII we can help ameliorate the effects of play not to lose football.

Upon registering at our world-renowned clinic, you will be given the following ID badge:

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...rabies/tfs.gif

After six weeks of therapy, our cure rate for TFS approaches 91%, which ironically, is slightly better than Herm Edwards' losing percentage the last 23 games.

If you or a loved one suffers from TFS, please, contact us immediately.

We're here to help.

Sincerely,

The ChiefsPlanet Clinic

By all means the Chiefs should just ****in hire you as their new HC and give you all the power in the world.

Sounds like you know what you're doing and everyone else doesn't.

Buck 12-17-2008 04:46 PM

Question, am I allowed to join?

philfree 12-17-2008 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 5305926)
running games and defenses more important than franchise QB's?

Hmm. yep. I do. See Dan Marino. See John Elway's first 3 SB teams. See all three of the Giants SB winning teams. See Pittsburgh.
unless you really think Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisberger are truly elite QB's. In which case I don't know what to tell you.

Franchise QB won't get you squat if you can't block anybody, tackle anybody, or run the ball.

That being said, I'm not against drafting a QB, I just don't think it's all that wise to take one at the top of the draft.

Baltimore when they won it all and Tampa too! I like the idea of drafting Stafford if he's available. Those things being equal am I a true fan?

PhilFree:arrow:

HemiEd 12-17-2008 04:59 PM

Oh good, another person calling people out about their fandom. That was one of the first things they taught me here, it is unacceptable.

Bottom ****ing line, this team is whatever the person wants it to be to THEM!

**** losing, it ****ing sucks. If Herm mother****ing Edwards was as good at winning is he is losing, this team would be super bowl bound.

HemiEd 12-17-2008 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 5305945)
**** HAMAS

I am starting to think that way. ****ing n00bs!

RedThat 12-17-2008 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5305797)
Do you lie awake at nights dreaming of 8-8, or 9-7? Heck no. I only dream of SB's and dynasty teams

Do you judge a season as a success by a Wild Card birth?It depends if the team was either worse the year before or better the year before. I like to think of myself as judging a season based on either progression or regression.

Do you believe that defenses and running games are more important than franchise QBs?Nope. I don't think like that at all. I highly value the QB position and realize and understand the importance of it. But I think too much focus and emphasis on 1 position over others makes you lose sight on the value of other positions. I realize it's a team game and I keep my vision directed towards the team. Ive come to known every position is important. But the most important imo is having a good set of guys in your pro personnel department that have a sound plan that have the ability to scout players and work in conjunction with a good coaching staff beside them.

Do you hate wide receivers? No.

Do you love coaches with a complete inability to spot talent at the running back position? No. I love coaches that have "keen" eye for everywhere

Do you think that 3-13 is better for the long term future of the franchise than 2-14? No. I think what matters and what is better for the long term is having the right people up top. That's where it all starts

Do you think the 2002 Bucs and 2000 Ravens are model NFL teams to aspire to?I aspire those teams defenses for sure. But personally, I prefer a strong balanced attack team that is well built on both sides of the ball. Those teams would be cowboys, 49ers, Pats

Do you find playoff records to be irrelevant?No. They say a lot about a franchise whether they're successful or not.

Do you believe that guards and right tackles should be taken with top five picks? It depends. Its tough to answer that because what if those players at those positions are hall of famers? I believe in getting a good player anywhere if he can start and make a difference on my team.

Do you believe that a quarterback is best served as a game manager?No absolutely not. Unless you're a team like the 2000 Ravens or 2002 Bucs? that have great defenses and depend on their defenses to win and ask there QBs to play simple?

Do you believe that every 3rd Down play should either be a screen or a draw?
Depends on the field position? If youre pinned in your own end I agree with running the ball or doing a simple screen play. If youre at the opponents end or at midfield, I don't agree with it. Im more for taking chances on 3rd down if youre at midfield or the opponents territory. Taking chances in your own end is suicidal.

Do you believe kicker is the most important position on the offense?No. Offensive line and QB are the most important.

Do you believe that all of the best prospects reside in the Big XII?No.

Do you believe in trading down in any situation during the draft? Im a big fan of trading down if you can get a ton of picks why not? Im not a beleiver that drafting in the top 5 and landing a superstar is going to make your team 25 times better. You need a whole group of guys. It's about drafting well overall that makes a difference.More picks the marier if it means you'll be better team for it. I refuse to think outside team. This is a team game. 1 guy isn't going to improve your team.

Do you believe that a team is better served picking 20 rather than 5 because they don't have to pay the player as much?Im not concerned about the cash. Im not paying those guys the Hunts are. So why would I care? I will say though to me it doesn't make a difference drafting 20th or 5th. What matters is how you draft through rounds 1-7.


If so, you may suffer from TFS, True Fan Syndrome. Here at the ChiefsPlanet Clinic, our staff of experts can help rid you of this debilitating malady. Through study of game tape of such contests as Super Bowl XXIII we can help ameliorate the effects of play not to lose football.

Upon registering at our world-renowned clinic, you will be given the following ID badge:

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...rabies/tfs.gif

After six weeks of therapy, our cure rate for TFS approaches 91%, which ironically, is slightly better than Herm Edwards' losing percentage the last 23 games.

If you or a loved one suffers from TFS, please, contact us immediately.

We're here to help.

Sincerely,

The ChiefsPlanet Clinic

So Hamas..where would you rank me as a fan? Am I suffering from TFS? If so, do you reccomend that I kill myself?

007 12-17-2008 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeMaslowski (Post 5305825)
You have to score to get both though..... Can you get laid if you have TFS?

No, but you can get ****ed.

ChiefsCountry 12-17-2008 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeMaslowski (Post 5305825)
Can you get laid if you have TFS?

Do you like the butt secks, bc that is what happens with TFS.

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-17-2008 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedBull (Post 5306099)
So Hamas..where would you rank me as a fan? Am I suffering from TFS? If so, do you reccomend that I kill myself?

It would appear as though you have Stage II TFS. There is a 72% cure rate. You will be forced to watch tape of the 1994 49ers for three weeks as videotherapy.

I suggest that you get your things in order, for if you continue to say things like Dorsey is a bust, your TFS may be present in the frontal lobe, which would indicate euthanasia as the only course.

Your TFS Primary Care Counselor will be OnTheWarpath58.

OnTheWarpath15 12-17-2008 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5306194)
It would appear as though you have Stage II TFS. There is a 72% cure rate. You will be forced to watch tape of the 1994 49ers for three weeks as videotherapy.

I suggest that you get your things in order, for if you continue to say things like Dorsey is a bust, your TFS may be present in the frontal lobe, which would indicate euthanasia as the only course.

Your TFS Primary Care Counselor will be OnTheWarpath58.

Goddammit.

It's finals week.

I need someone that has a better chance of being cured.

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-17-2008 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 5305926)
running games and defenses more important than franchise QB's?

Hmm. yep. I do. See Dan Marino. See John Elway's first 3 SB teams. See all three of the Giants SB winning teams. See Pittsburgh.

unless you really think Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisberger are truly elite QB's. In which case I don't know what to tell you.

Franchise QB won't get you squat if you can't block anybody, tackle anybody, or run the ball.

That being said, I'm not against drafting a QB, I just don't think it's all that wise to take one at the top of the draft.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...onCoverArt.jpg

ArrowheadHawk 12-17-2008 05:52 PM

http://www.funnyforumpics.com/forums...FingerBaby.jpg

luv 12-17-2008 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv (Post 5305884)
What about going to games even when your team sucks?

?

StcChief 12-17-2008 06:04 PM

Now that Carl is gone effective 31-Dec-08 I will go back to being a "REAL" fan and show up when I want. :D

Carlota69 12-17-2008 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5305807)
I love Playoff Births.

They're much less messy than human births.

:p

Are you saying our season is an abortion?

Oh..yeah, nevermind...

HemiEd 12-17-2008 06:22 PM

I prescribe Hamas should be strapped to a chair with his eyes taped open. Not to be released until he has watched every Marvy Levy, John Mackovic, Paul Wiggin and Frank Ganz coached Chiefs game, back to back. Then, as a refresher, 3 years of Herm ****ing Edwards on FFWD.

10-6 will then seem like a cool evening breeze, after a hot summer day.

Chris Meck 12-17-2008 06:25 PM

Oh, what the hell. Let's go ahead and draft Schuler in the first. Oh, I mean Mirer. I mean Klingler. I mean Harrington. No wait, I mean Carr. DOH! I meant Leaf! Or...

I will forever maintain that a high #1 pick on a QB is the riskiest pick there is. I have watched so many fail. If that's what we do, well, I'll cross my fingers and hope for the best, but I don't agree that it's the wisest plan of attack.

Baby Lee 12-17-2008 06:28 PM

Do you thank spending decades wading through franchise QB contracts spent on, JaMarcus Russell, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Cutler, Alex Smith, Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Michael Vick, Chad Pennington, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Daunte Culpepper and Ryan Leaf is worth the chance to get the Manning brothers.

There are teams that found themselves on premier WRs and QBs, it's the Lions, Cardinals, and the Vikes of the 90s.

Adept Havelock 12-17-2008 06:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 5306264)
I prescribe Hamas should be strapped to a chair with his eyes taped open. Not to be released until he has watched every Marvy Levy, John Mackovic, Paul Wiggin and Frank Ganz coached Chiefs game, back to back. Then, as a refresher, 3 years of Herm ****ing Edwards on FFWD.

10-6 will then seem like a cool evening breeze, after a hot summer day.

That seems reasonable. Force him to watch every game from '73 until '89 in a continual loop. :thumb:

HemiEd 12-17-2008 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adept Havelock (Post 5306286)
That seems reasonable. Force him to watch every game from '73 until '89 in a continual loop. :thumb:

All in favor say I!

Baby Lee 12-17-2008 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv (Post 5305884)
What about going to games even when your team sucks?

The manner in which you bitch about your team is much more important than whether or not you actually support them.

Oh. and your a mindless sheep who lines corporate pockets regardless of quality.

DeezNutz 12-17-2008 06:55 PM

The new scarlet letter of the Planet. TFS.

May I help pin them on?

FringeNC 12-17-2008 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 5306282)
Do you thank spending decades wading through franchise QB contracts spent on, JaMarcus Russell, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Cutler, Alex Smith, Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Michael Vick, Chad Pennington, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Daunte Culpepper and Ryan Leaf is worth the chance to get the Manning brothers.

I'm probably in the minority, but I don't think franchise QBs are drafted so much as they are developed. How many Pro Bowl QBs has Mike Martz been associated with?

Some staffs realize the importance of having a top QB in the playoffs, and attempt to develop them; other staffs hope that it's all luck once you get to the playoffs, and have game managers.

SAUTO 12-17-2008 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 5306264)
I prescribe Hamas should be strapped to a chair with his eyes taped open. Not to be released until he has watched every Marvy Levy, John Mackovic, Paul Wiggin and Frank Ganz coached Chiefs game, back to back. Then, as a refresher, 3 years of Herm ****ing Edwards on FFWD.

10-6 will then seem like a cool evening breeze, after a hot summer day.

true that!!!

DaneMcCloud 12-17-2008 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 5306340)
I'm probably in the minority, but I don't think franchise QBs are drafted so much as they are developed. How many Pro Bowl QBs has Mike Martz been associated with?

Two? Marc Bulger and Kurt Warner.

Woo-hoo! He's a genius!

philfree 12-17-2008 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 5306272)
Oh, what the hell. Let's go ahead and draft Schuler in the first. Oh, I mean Mirer. I mean Klingler. I mean Harrington. No wait, I mean Carr. DOH! I meant Leaf! Or...

I will forever maintain that a high #1 pick on a QB is the riskiest pick there is. I have watched so many fail. If that's what we do, well, I'll cross my fingers and hope for the best, but I don't agree that it's the wisest plan of attack.

I agree with that but the payoff could be huge. Which is why teams take the risk win they have the chance.

PhilFree:arrow:

DeezNutz 12-17-2008 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 5306340)
I'm probably in the minority, but I don't think franchise QBs are drafted so much as they are developed. How many Pro Bowl QBs has Mike Martz been associated with?

Some staffs realize the importance of having a top QB in the playoffs, and attempt to develop them; other staffs hope that it's all luck once you get to the playoffs, and have game managers.

You're not really describing a franchise QB, then. In other words, do you think that there was a very good possibility that P. Manning, Elway, Marino, etc. would fail? That their superior talent wouldn't have ultimately won out?

Players like Green, Bulger, and Warner can be very nice system guys. These are players high-quality staffs can develop, and they're also players that can be ruined, completely.

We've had only system QB's in KC for the last, well, 20+ years. We need a franchise guy, and now we're drafting high enough that this *might* be a good opportunity to get one. Might.

DaneMcCloud 12-17-2008 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 5306340)
I'm probably in the minority, but I don't think franchise QBs are drafted so much as they are developed.

Great quarterbacks are GREAT regardless.

John Elway, Joe Montana, Brett Favre, Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, etc.

Sure, they make mistakes but no one needs to teach them the game or correct their mechanics or decision making skills.

If you draft a first round QB, he'd better be 90% "developed". Otherwise, you're wasting your time and the team's ability to compete.

Reerun_KC 12-17-2008 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5306196)
Goddammit.

It's finals week.

I need someone that has a better chance of being cured.

I am sick of finals! tonight is the last ****ing night!

SAUTO 12-17-2008 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5306355)
Great quarterbacks are GREAT regardless.

John Elway, Joe Montana, Brett Favre, Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, etc.

Sure, they make mistakes but no one needs to teach them the game or correct their mechanics or decision making skills.

If you draft a first round QB, he'd better be 90% "developed". Otherwise, you're wasting your time and the team's ability to compete.

dane do you see any this year? in your opinion

FringeNC 12-17-2008 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5306349)
You're not really describing a franchise QB, then. In other words, do you think that there was a very good possibility that P. Manning, Elway, Marino, etc. would fail? That their superior talent wouldn't have ultimately won out?

Players like Green, Bulger, and Warner can be very nice system guys. These are players high-quality staffs can develop, and they're also players that can be ruined, completely.

We've had only system QB's in KC for the last, well, 20+ years. We need a franchise guy, and now we're drafting high enough that this *might* be a good opportunity to get one. Might.

The numbers Warner put up were sick. It's all about being able to pass in the playoffs -- finding a QB who excels in the system you put him in. Sure, only a few QBs could excel in ALL, but a team only runs one system at a time.

ChiefsCountry 12-17-2008 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5306349)
We've had only system QB's in KC for the last, well, 20+ years. We need a franchise guy, and now we're drafting high enough that this *might* be a good opportunity to get one. Might.

Try over 35+ plus.

FringeNC 12-17-2008 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5306355)
Great quarterbacks are GREAT regardless.

John Elway, Joe Montana, Brett Favre, Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, etc.

Sure, they make mistakes but no one needs to teach them the game or correct their mechanics or decision making skills.

If you draft a first round QB, he'd better be 90% "developed". Otherwise, you're wasting your time and the team's ability to compete.

Is Kurt Warner not a great QB?

Reerun_KC 12-17-2008 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 5306264)
I prescribe Hamas should be strapped to a chair with his eyes taped open. Not to be released until he has watched every Marvy Levy, John Mackovic, Paul Wiggin and Frank Ganz coached Chiefs game, back to back. Then, as a refresher, 3 years of Herm ****ing Edwards on FFWD.

10-6 will then seem like a cool evening breeze, after a hot summer day.

Cool, but I think you should have to masturbate with a cheesegrader while watching everyone of Herms press conferences, you know just to help your fandom...

FringeNC 12-17-2008 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5306347)
Two? Marc Bulger and Kurt Warner.

Woo-hoo! He's a genius!

Trent Green.

ChiefsCountry 12-17-2008 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5306347)
Two? Marc Bulger and Kurt Warner.

Woo-hoo! He's a genius!

If you are putting Bulger in there, you better put Green in as well. Martz was his coach in Washington and St. Louis.

Baby Lee 12-17-2008 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5306349)
You're not really describing a franchise QB, then. In other words, do you think that there was a very good possibility that P. Manning, Elway, Marino, etc. would fail? That their superior talent wouldn't have ultimately won out?

Players like Green, Bulger, and Warner can be very nice system guys. These are players high-quality staffs can develop, and they're also players that can be ruined, completely.

We've had only system QB's in KC for the last, well, 20+ years. We need a franchise guy, and now we're drafting high enough that this *might* be a good opportunity to get one. Might.


Marino 'succeeded?' One rookie season SB loss [which per the Cowher rule doesn't count], and a career of playoff failure, culminating in the 50-0 playoff loss his final season.

Marino's the poster boy for RTFdom.

Baby Lee 12-17-2008 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5306369)
If you are putting Bulger in there, you better put Green in as well. Martz was his coach in Washington and St. Louis.

Kitna was never better than his time with Martz.

FringeNC 12-17-2008 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5306355)
Great quarterbacks are GREAT regardless.

John Elway, Joe Montana, Brett Favre, Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, etc.

Sure, they make mistakes but no one needs to teach them the game or correct their mechanics or decision making skills.

If you draft a first round QB, he'd better be 90% "developed". Otherwise, you're wasting your time and the team's ability to compete.

You take Elway with Dan Reeves instead of Shanahan, and I'll take Martz with Warner, and see who wins.

DaneMcCloud 12-17-2008 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5306369)
If you are putting Bulger in there, you better put Green in as well. Martz was his coach in Washington and St. Louis.

I don't follow the Rams but did Bulger make the Pro Bowl under Martz? Green never did and was always a third QB at the Pro-Bowl, not the first or second.

milkman 12-17-2008 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5306349)
You're not really describing a franchise QB, then. In other words, do you think that there was a very good possibility that P. Manning, Elway, Marino, etc. would fail? That their superior talent wouldn't have ultimately won out?

Players like Green, Bulger, and Warner can be very nice system guys. These are players high-quality staffs can develop, and they're also players that can be ruined, completely.

We've had only system QB's in KC for the last, well, 20+ years. We need a franchise guy, and now we're drafting high enough that this *might* be a good opportunity to get one. Might.

Actually every QB in Chiefs franchise history, including Dawson, were system QBs.

But you have the right QB that fits your system then he can still be a franchise QB.

HemiEd 12-17-2008 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5306365)
Cool, but I think you should have to masturbate with a cheesegrader while watching everyone of Herms press conferences, you know just to help your fandom...

Why? I am no Herm Edwards fan and he will only look up to mediocrity, as long as he is the coach. His only shot was 9-7 with DV's team, game over.


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