I'm Really Tired of Fair Weather Fans
 

I understand the Chiefs are not a good football team. But, I am so tired of all the people who post on this website claiming the Chiefs are totally void of talent. It is just a stupid, stupid comment. The Chiefs a full of young talented players. No they are not at the point where they can win consistently in the NFL, but look at what a bunch of 1, 2 and 3 year players did. They were in every single game except for a couple. With another year of two experience, a quality leader at QB, and maybe a few quality experienced FA and these guys could certainly be a very good NFL football team.

Offense:
LT Brandon Albert - Had an excellent rookie season. Could easily be a top NFL LT in the coming years.

RB Jamal Charles - had some very good moments this season. I don't believe he is an everydown RB, but he certainly could be a very good change of pass guy which every team seems to need now in the NFL.

QB Tyler Thigpen - Ok you certainly can't be totally sold on TT, but he really had a pretty season considering his experience. He has the arm, he can add the run dimension to the QB position, and I think he is a leader. Can he learn to read defenses and be more accurate with his throws? The point is he has some real talent. With only five years of QB experience in his life he has showed me something.

TE Cottham - His opportunities where limited playing behind the greatest TE of all time, but he appears to be a pretty good blocker and showed he can catch a pass or two.

WR Dwayne Bowe - Has all the talent and ability to be a Hall of Fame caliber WR. Needs to learn to be more focused and how to be a professional WR. If he does that, nobody will have a better WR in the NFL.

Defense:
CB Brandon Flowers - Had a very, very good rookie campaign at a difficult position to play with absolutely zero help from his front seven as far as QB pressure goes. This guy should be a very solid CB at worst for several years and very possibly an elite CB in the near future.

CB M. Leggett - Here is a rookie FA who made an impact. One of those guys who is a football player. He will probably never be a superstar, but he certainly looks like a guy you love to have on your team. Always around the football, very good special teams guy, he just makes plays as a role player. Great football teams have guys like Leggett.

LB Derrick Johnson - He has become a very nice LB. I don't really see him becoming a superstar NFL LB, but he can play for any NFL team.

DT Glenn Dorsey - Jury is certainly out on GD. Really did not meet expectations during his rookie campaign. But, he was not horrible by any means. DT is an very tough transition to make from college to pros. How many DTs can you think of who has made a huge impact as a rookie. Added strenght, bulk, experience, and talent on the front line around him and GD could certainly become a dominate DT.

DE Tomba Hali - He will almost certianly never be a superstar, but he is a pretty solid DE. Again you put some better talent around him and he will make a bigger impact (Remember his impact when JA was around).

S Pollard/Page - A couple of young safties who have proven they can play at a pretty high level in the NFL. Again they just need some help up front so they don't have to defend receivers for 6+ seconds every pass play.

If you put some quality NFL coaches around this group of guys, which I don't think they have had up to this point, have another good draft this year, find a couple of FA with some leadership and experience the 2009 Chiefs could be the 2008 Dolphins.

I'm not saying everyone should blindly drink the Chiefs coolaid, as a lot of things could go wrong. But don't insult them buy saying the team has no talent. Best of all we have finally purged ourselves King Carl and certainly the coaching staff is soon to follow. Things are looking up in Chiefland if you ask me.

No he doesn't. Cannot throw a deep ball for shit. Horrible.

popcorn

Well, he does throw the deep ball well to opposing defenses.

Doesn't that count for something?

:D

Anybody that is curently posting on this site after seeing their team lose 23-25 games is not a fair weathered fan.

Just because they have a different opinion from you doesn't make them less of a fan. This borders on labeling who is a "real" fan and who is not. You don't want to go down that road if you want to stick around here.

This



big difference between fair weathered and just being a pissed off fan.

there are approximately 5 players who would start on a good team.

I thought everyone was talking more about coaching than talent. What have I missed?

This is where the guys w/ thousands of posts tell you the stfu. Don't worry; if and when the Chiefs go 13-3 there will still be people who talk just as much shit as they give praise. No matter how good of a team KC has, we've all been burned soooooooo bad by how good they are during the regular season and ultimately fail in the playoffs.

Kind of a "once bitten" kind of mentality.

4 wins and 2 wins. The record the last two years speaks for itself.

Carl's ballsack can type?

A lot of what you said is true. A lot of people around here don't care though.

I think this team can be a very good team with a Franchise QB and good coaches. There are a few folks around here that look at other teams and think that every player, in every position on every playoff team is way better than what we have. That's not true.

Every team has holes, whats important is that we get a Franchise QB, solid depth, and a pass rush. Then, i believe we can contend for the division.

I applaud you for your post, but it's message will get thru to no one that doesn't already feel the same way you do

stfu

I understand being a pissed off fan, I'm one of those as well. But, it is primarily King Carl and the coaching philosophy which has made this team 2 and whatever.

I'm just tired of the ragging about a complete void of talent. If I was taking over a football team I would rather have the Chiefs roster over a lot of teams.....Rams, Lions, Seahawks, Buc (yes the Bucs), 49ers, Raiders, to name a few.

This is true too

carl was here for 20 years and has only been gone 2 days

give them a second to adapt

when is that scheduled for, 2011?

stfu noob

Don't believe I will jackass.

Bad teams don't have fair weather fans. GOOD TEAMS have fair weather fans that go away when they start doing shit like, oh, for instance, going 2-14.

Get over yourself. We bitch about these reeruns and and we're damned well entitled to do so.

Bitch all you want, but at least have the intelligence to bitch about the right things.

Attempting to tell people what they should bitch about will not work out well for you here.

no wonder you have your rep turned off....

I think I'll survive ok. Thank you for your concern.

Where's Mecca?

He would enjoy this.

Shox,

I actually agree with alot of your observations about the players you wrote.



Where u ran into problems was your intro calling people fair weather fans. Poorly worded.

Aren't you bitching about the bitchers? ****ing rookie.

Yes, it will.

Ignore this moron, Shox. Carry on...

:popcorn:

Turning his rep off does not prevent us from neg repping him. It still counts. Fire away!!

Okay, fine.

The Chiefs have a handful of players with talent, and you have a handful of braincells.

Happy?

Taking orders for the products that Billy Mays sells. I wonder if that includes ESPN360.com?

If this is your definition of fair-weather, I'd hate to see what could be worse.

ROFL

ROFL

Sham-WOW!

I regular see, "these guys suck", "these guys couldn't get another job with an NFL team". So yes I see these kind of posts as stupid and short sighted. The think the only thing most of the posters can understand about NFL games is wins and losses, which ultimately is the most important thing. But, there is a process going on here which is laying the foundation for some really longterm success. I'm tired of everyone refussing to aknowledge it.

"They were in every single game except for a couple. "

Ah...No....You couldnt be more wrong.....

Never in the Oakland game in KC
Never in the Atlanta game
Never in the Carolina game
Never in the Tennessee game
Never in the Buffalo game
Never in the Cincinatti game

SIX is not a couple.....Quit listening to Herm
You will be better off in the long run

There are no fair weather fans here. Our team is 2-23, and people here still talk about them on a daily basis.

Aha!

Let's see....if there are 16 games played in the regular season, and you win two....

And you're bitching about our intelligence?

I cannot believe the sham wow guy has another commercial.

Some kind of food chopper.

Good point, I did not do the research here. I would say five, the Bengals did not exactly blow us out. We were still competitive much more than we were not.

Dwayne Bowe could be a Pro-Bowl player, but the HOF is a stretch.

Off topic note: Arrowhead West has 50% off the entire store, and I bought an authentic Bowe jersey for $55, Trent Green mesh white for $8, and a Croyle mesh red for $8. Additionally, the only Arrowhead West still open is the one on the Plaza; the other closed.

Edit: by mesh I mean home replica, as termed by kcchiefs pro shop

Hate to say it, but he is right. People who talk as if the Chiefs have no talent are probably not too bright. It is obviously coaching that needs improved.

This is truth.

fair weather fans don't post here.

Remember, IF AND WHEN! But hopefully sooner than later.

I think people can be as negative as they want, especially the ones paying tax dollars to fund the stadium renovations, even though a lot of them have been priced out of the actual games.

Oh damn.....

Here kind sir, let me help you put out the fire with a can of gas.

ROFL

With Herm as HC, and only counting regular season, we are 15/48 (15/49 if you do count the wild card game). 15/48 makes us .313 for the three years he's been here. With the Jets, he was .487. Overall, Herm has a .422 record as HC.

Oh, and on a side note Dart, you are NOT a TRUE FAN!!

Herm is 6-26 with out mostly Dicky V's players.

Shox, your takes on individual players aren't terrible. I'd probably push your ratings on DJ, Hali, and Page/Pollard down a notch.

The point is that we need several future pro-bowlers among the young guys to push for a SB. You can point to Albert, Bowe, and Flowers as having that potential. Too soon to say one way or another on Dorsey. But we also need stars at the QB and LDE position, and those are hard to find.

When people complain about the talent, they are probably referring to the fact that at the moment we still need to turn over at least half of our starters to be truly competitive for a Super Bowl.

I have no interest on being next year's Miami.

I call BS. My toes have still not thawed out from that last home game. If that's not a true fan, I don't know what is.

Not being nit pickety, but I think you mean RDE.

****ing troublemaker. :D

Mine were very toasty in my sports bar here...

So if the Chiefs are "full of young talented players" as you claim why did they finish 2-14, despite playing in a historically weak AFC West?
And your claim that the Chiefs were in "every single game except for a couple"?

The fact is 7 of the Chiefs 14 losses (which would be HALF of their losses) were by 10+ points.

Get your head out of Herm's ass and try reality.

I'm Really Tired of Fair Weather Fans
I wouldn't call these guys fair weather fans. A fair weather fan stops following "his team" altogether when they suck, and comes back to claim he's been a fan for years when they play well and win SB's.

The guys who criticize the level of talent on the team, I would consider realists. That being said, I don't think you are actually fed up with "realists" but the guys who are delusional to a negative extreme. Such as Mecca. Mecca believes that every player on a SB caliber team is a superstar. In that sense, he's an idiot. Just like a guy who thinks every player who plays for the Chiefs is an idiot. A Championship team doesn't need to be all superstars. They need a few superstars, a few difference makers, and a lot of solid starters backed with solid back-ups. Just my .02 .

QFT. Every word of it

That's why I put an extra pair of hand warmers in with the foot warmers. I stuck them down at my toes. :)

This:

How many games did you make it to this year?

LT Brandon Albert - Strongly agree. Albert had a very promising rookie year and looks to be a starter on the Oline for the next decade.
RB Jamal Charles - Disagree somewhat. He provided some excitement and is a good (not great) player to have but he isn't a player you build a team around.
QB Tyler Thigpen - Strongly disagree. Thigpen played better than anyone expected but hasn't done enough to warrant any long-term plans.
TE Cottam - Agree. Cottam looked great in limited opportunities. Doubtful he could replace Tony but, who could? In any case, if Gonzalez leaves I have no problem penciling-in Cottam as the starter for the next 4-6 years.
WR Dwayne Bowe - Disagree strongly. Bowe may or may not ever reach the probowl, he almost certainliy won't be considered for the HOF because he isn't a burner and he drops too many passes. Bowe would be a great #2 but he's a mediocre #1.
CB Brandon Flowers - Strongly agree. Flowers did an amazing job this year with no effing help.
CB M. Leggett - Disagree somewhat. Leggett is a good/maybe great nickel or dime CB but probably not a starter. It's great we have him now but he isn't somebody you build a team around.
LB Derrick Johnson - Somewhat disagree- DJ is a solid linebacker who gives us 1 or 2 great performances a year but looks pretty average for extended periods. I do hold out hope that new coaches and schemes can make him more effective but, to date, he hasn't been special.
DT Glenn Dorsey - At this point, who knows?
DE Tamba Hali - Strongly disagree. Hali is average to below average in general terms and a certifiable bust in relation to his draft status. We absolutely have to replace him.
S Pollard/Page - Somewhat disagree. Page and Pollard have been ok but they are not players to build a team around.

By the way, when people say the team is devoid of talent I would think they are referring to specific positions. QB and DE and the most important positions in today's NFL and we have nothing at those positions.

three...took a break due to too much work travel this past year...

This team is devoid of talent. When you need to turn over roughly half the starters, plus get good depth, that means there is a distinct lack of talent.

we're all just jealous of you Shox
you're obviously getting your brains ****ed out
on a regular basis

7 :D

Well I can at least respect someone who has put some thought into why the Chiefs are lacking talent. I don't agree for reasons already stated, but I certainly respect some real thinking going on. More than 90% of the attempts in this thread. Example:

Shox: YOU are a TRUE FAN!!

I guess I'm not a real fan then.

Why do you hate yourself?

You have to think to be a true fan? Include me out.

I think a "fair-weather fan" is someone who only gives two-sh*t$ when the team wins. Most of the people around here are discouraged because they want the team to be better. If we were all fair-weather fans this place would get about seven posts a day.

But at least you got the part about the Chiefs not being a good football team right.

No, no, no, you got that all wrong. To be a true fan, you either have to think the team has great talent, live in Jackson County, or go to games.

Yes I am! Thank you.

Position by Position...which Current Chiefs do you think would be starters on say, the NY Giants?

LMAO

First off, I spend far to much money on the Chiefs on a yearly basis to be called a fair weather fan. I think you need to learn the difference between a legitimately concerned realist, and a delusional moron who expects every player to turn into a pro bowler, as long as they wear the colors you like.

With that said, let me take a look at your evaluations...



This team has very little talent. The holes are huge. That's not being a fair-weather fan...it's being realistic.

For the record I'm not a real fan. I can't put a finger on the day or moment I quit caring about the Chiefs... it was a while back. Call it working Sundays 3 seasons ago and not seeing any games that year. Call it watching 2 games the following year... one a horrible choke job against the Browns, the other a horrible choke job in the playoff game. Call it watching parts of 3 games this season because they quit showing the Chiefs where I live after about week 5. Call it being a baseball fan first and a passive football fan. Call it enough years of watching crap that I just don't care anymore. Call it growing up or losing my give a shit or whatever. I just really don't care anymore.

Sure I'd like to see them hire a good GM/HC, have a great draft and get good again. Sure I'd be excited if they ever win a Super-Bowl again. But I just don't care enough to invest myself in any of it emotionally anymore. If it happens great... if it doesn't oh well.

I post on here because it can be fun to talk shit and I have a few friends here. Actual real life one(s).

So go Chiefs. Or don't. Whatever.