Shanahan Makes Sense For Chiefs
 

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<table><tbody><tr><td valign="top">As Clark Hunt debates prospective general managers, we should start pondering who Kansas City’s next head coach might be. Yes, Herm Edwards is still collecting paychecks over at Arrowhead Stadium, but with rumors flying that he won’t be retained in 2009, it’s safe to move on.
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Between New York’s Steve Spagnuolo, Tennessee’s Jim Schwartz, New England’s Josh McDaniels, Dallas’ Jason Garrett and Baltimore’s Rex Ryan, there are plenty of young NFL coordinators with skins on the wall who will draw interest from teams with head coaching openings this offseason. But for my money (or Hunt’s as the case may be), the Chiefs could hit a home run by hiring an older ex-coordinator who also has some significant skins on the wall: Mike Shanahan.

Do you recoil in horror, Chiefs fans? Does the thought of Shanahan, a thorn in KC’s side for over a decade, pacing the sidelines at Arrowhead Stadium make you nauseous? Are you ready to call into 810 and whine about chop-blocking and jerseys covered in cooking spray?

Why?

If you can get past your division-rivalry bias, you might come to realize just exactly what I did when the Denver Broncos surprisingly axed their longtime head coach last week – Mike Shanahan is exactly what the Kansas City Chiefs need. It couldn’t be a more perfect fit.

Ask yourself one question: What has been the most frustrating part of watching Chiefs games under Herm Edwards’ guidance the past three years? You can point to clock management, the endless torrent of field goals or wacky press-conference antics all you want, but nothing has been more frustrating than watching Larry Johnson dive headfirst into a sea of red and white rear ends in a vain effort to run the football.

Herm arrived in Kansas City and has essentially wasted three years of Johnson’s prime by refusing to invest in the appropriate offensive line talent. Had the Chiefs gone after the right free agents or drafted any linemen with a prayer of starting, we probably wouldn’t be talking about replacing Edwards right now.

It’s proven fact that when Edwards has a 1,000-yard rusher, his teams make the playoffs. When Herm has the benefit of a ground game, the rest of his approach to winning football games falls perfectly into place. We shouldn’t be surprised the Chiefs won six games the last two years, because the head coach couldn’t even lay the bedrock of his NFL philosophy.

When you’re blessed with an in-his-prime playmaker as Johnson was when Edwards arrived in Kansas City, you have to do everything to help that talent flourish. You don’t go out and sign Kyle Turley to replace Willie Roaf, and you certainly don’t waste time with stiffs like Jordan Black, Kevin Sampson, Damion McIntosh or John Welbourn. Nor do you waste time on project fullbacks, especially when you just dumped Tony Richardson.

You do those things, and it’s not surprising when your 1,789-yard running back gets shut down in the playoffs against the Colts. You do those things, and it’s not surprising when his average dips to 3.5 yards per carry the following season. You do those things, and it’s not surprising when he carries seven times for two yards in a shutout loss in your third year.

It’s also not surprising when all that happens and your running back becomes as frustrated as the fan base, threatens team chemistry in the locker room, and gets into trouble off the field.

But we’re focusing way too much on the past, and not nearly enough on the future. The point is, with Shanahan coaching the Chiefs, the exact opposite happens. No team runs the football like a Mike Shanahan team.

Over the last 10 years, the Broncos ranked in the top 10 in rushing offense eight times. That’s significant because they did it without a consistent feature back. Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Clinton Portis, Reuben Droughns, Tatum Bell, Travis Henry, Selvin Young, take your pick. All experienced success in Shanahan’s zone-blocking, cutback scheme.

Furthermore, the way Shanahan built and reassembled Denver’s offensive line over the last 10+ years is almost unparalleled in any other franchise. The Broncos won Super Bowls and embarrassed Gunther Cunningham’s defenses with Gary Zimmerman, Mark Schlereth, Tom Nalen, Brian Habib and Tony Jones. Five years later Clinton Portis was embarrassing Greg Robinson’s defenses behind Ephraim Salaam, Ben Hamilton, Nalen, Dan Neil and Matt Lepsis.

This season, Jay Cutler embarrassed Cunningham and Edwards behind Ryan Clady, Hamilton, Casey Wiegmann (Shanahan turns KC trash into Mile High treasure), Chris Kuper and Ryan Harris. The Broncos allowed the fewest sacks per pass this season despite the fact their defense often forced them to play catchup.

Do you understand what happens if Larry Johnson and Mike Shanahan combine forces? It’s quite possible Johnson’s twilight years could be some of his finest. Larry proved he can still play at a high level this season. No one is worried about his foot. With Shanahan, the Chiefs could actually get their money’s worth out of LJ's $45 million contract.

Yes, Larry wants out of Kansas City and Shanahan rid himself of Portis before he split into multiple personalities. It doesn’t matter. Johnson’s attitude does a 180 when he’s being used properly and flourishing in a successful offense. Shanahan will have to live with Larry’s anchor-like contract and probably realizes his running game was never quite as lethal without an elite talent like Portis.

Of course there’s more to Shanahan than just ridiculous success with running games. At his heart, as a former offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach, Shanahan is a quarterback guru.

It’s probably not coincidence that Steve Young finally won a Super Bowl after he hooked up with Shanahan. The same can be said for John Elway, who curiously seemed to either go to the Super Bowl or simply win it when Shanahan was his quarterbacks coach, offensive coordinator or head coach.

Do we really need to recount what Shanahan did for Jake Plummer, now an All-Pro handball player? The Snake never had it so good. Last but not least, recognize that Shanahan was smart enough to let the Titans and Cardinals waste picks on Vince Young and Matt Leinart three years ago before he pulled off a ridiculous trade to move up and take Cutler, who now compares himself to John Elway if the mood strikes.

When you put it all together, you get a coach who knows the running game like nobody’s business, clearly something the Chiefs desperately need. You also get a coach who can identify, select, develop and manage franchise quarterbacks at a high level, clearly something the Chiefs need.

Did I mention Shanahan has winning records against Bill Belichick, Bill Cowher and Jeff Fisher?

Now, it’s not all perfect. Obviously Shanahan can’t pick a defensive coordinator to save his life, and his personnel blunderings on defense are embarrassing. Shanahan was at least partially fired in Denver because he wanted to hold on to Bob Slowik as defensive coordinator, but his real undoing may have been his dual role as Broncos Head Coach and Executive Vice President of Football Operations. Shanahan had absolute power, and it absolutely destroyed Denver’s defense.

That may not be a problem in Kansas City. Per an NFL source, Shanahan has made it known through “third-party channels” that he’s interested in the Chiefs’ job but would not require total control of football operations as he did in Denver. Can you imagine the perfect pairing of Shanahan and a general manager who could pluck the right defensive talent from the draft, while assisting in the search for the right defensive coordinator?

Throw in an owner who doesn’t meddle, a hungry fanbase who may have developed a dislike for Shanahan but could surely learn to love him (just remember that Gunther Cunningham was once a Raider), and the youngest roster in the league, and you may begin to get delusions of grandeur.

So, are you still recoiling in horror from the thought of Shanahan wearing a red jacket, or are you beginning to see the possibilities?

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no, he doesn't. he wants to coach for a contender. the cowboys are more likely to make sense for shanny than the chiefs would.

don't get me wrong. I'd love for shanahan to stick it in the broncos' asses every year twice a year. but he isn't coming here.

Larry's done. Stick a fork in him.

The Rat and anybody who wants him here can go die in the same fire. :#

God I hope so. I hope you guys know what you're talking about with him being interested in the job without having the GM hat on at the same time. That would be ****ing perfect.

Well, bye.

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That was a good article.

I still think Shanahan can coach in this league. I think he'd be a great hire if you want to fix the offense. defense not so sure. Hes had his struggles there. In fact, I think he be an ideal coach for a quarterback like Tyler Thigpen? Yes we do need that.

As far as LJ goes, i think its too late for him. Hes pretty much 30. RBs usually go downhill after 30. I don't see LJ as the right fit for shanahans style of offense. I don't see LJ as that elusive cutback runner that were used to seeing from the RB's in Shanahan offense. but guys like Jamaal Charles or Kolby Smith I could see doing well?

troll

The scheme we ran this year isn't dissimilar to Shanny's running scheme.

Just thought I'd highlight this part. that would be ideal and good for us.

:eek:

This Thread is The Gheyest!

F NO to Shanarat... IF he wants to stick it to somebody, he can go to Oakland and make out with this grandpa...

Could have saved yourself a lot of work by listening to what Shanahan has had to say the past few days.

He is not interested in a rebuilding project.

My way: Eight words.

Your way: 1300+ words, and a complete pipe dream.

LMAO

I really should make that my avatar.

Remember everybody around here saying for years that you shouldn't build around running backs?

Now you want to build entire coaching staffs around him?

Truth be told, I love the article because I love outside-the-box thinking, and Shanahan and the Chiefs may yet be a good fit. But it doesn't make sense to bring in somebody to run the team because the running back is selfish.

Larry destroying people again is just a bonus. I'm not trying to build a coaching staff around Larry. I don't think he's going anywhere, though.

I think Charles could do some great things, too. Hell, any RB we bring in for that matter. Dantrell ****ing Savage could probably bust off 1K in Shanny's system.

Well keep up the good work. I love these kinds of ideas.

I personally believe Shanahan's lost his burst. It feels like a Vermeil hire.

Maybe he'll do what Holmgren did in Seattle. Take the next team he coaches as a non GM to the Super Bowl.

I think Shanahan could do some AMAZING things with Tony Gonzalez.

Hell he might be able to get a decent season out of Thigpen by Plummering him up.

With all due respect, Shanahan is "not" a good GM that is what got him fired. Keeping a close eye on the enemy out here since '88' I have seen it all with this organization. The "umpteenmillion D coordinators" Shanny went through were his 'fall guys' to blame and his last 'fall guy' was Sundquist the "figure head psuedo" GM he fired at the beginning of the summer. I can almost assure you that Bowlen still wanted Shanny as his coach but told Mike he needs help making better "draft choices" and bringing people in who are not "yes people" who truly know how to build defenses. Mike didn't want that and now Mike is gone.

If we want the same issues Denver has dealt with these past 10yrs then bring in Shanny. Shanny is the best strategical preparer and playcaller for offenses "hands down" I agree. Yes it will be far more entertaining on the offensive side of the ball getting an average of 8-10wins a year. But there is the flipside of not getting to the playoffs because of consistent "poor drafts" which result in "bad defenses" regardless of what coordinators you have in there if we let "one person" call all the shots.

I really believe we have suffered the same scenario these past 10yrs(post Marty) as well just from the "GM side" of things. Do we really think that Dick didn't realize that we needed better D players in here so that our 2003-2004 runs could have resulted in potential SBs if we would have just had "mediocre D"s? Of course he knew, but I believe Carl chose not to improve our D side of the ball by either drafting bad or signing FAs on the cheap which cost us SBs IMO.

I don't want the "single entity" calling all the shots either in GM or head coach EVER!!

I don't think Shannahan would consider coaching the Chiefs. If he would I think it could be a good fit. He is a good coach and he would be out to stick it up the Donkey's and Raider's asses. In fact, he may resent the two franchises more than this entire board combined right now.

No way in hell it happens though.

Please, please tell me you're using that avatar over at the minge Bob. Please.

Nah I'm not allowed an avatar over there.

Some Maners are more equal than others.

Thats where they could just get rid of LJ and you'll even see guys like Charles and K. Smith succeed if Shanahan were to be the head coach.

I agree with you and I think its a good fit for 3 reasons:

1. you have a young quarterback who could use a QBs coach and Shanahan is good with QB's

2. you have RB's on this roster right now that have excellent speed and are potentially good cutback runners.

3. shanahan knows how to take advantage of average Olineman and utilize them well enough to play to their strengths given right scheme.

*these 3 factors should give him enough consideration to be worth at LEAST interviewing, brought in for a look or even hired?

Precisely! He will make Wade look bad 2wice now:clap:

But But But Shannahan can't win at Arrowhead

Everyone knows this

Shanny would need to get a buzzcut and an earring if he were our coach. He'd need to rebel a little from his Denver look. Punk Shanny, greasin' up Albert and chop-blockin' Shawne "roidman" Merriman. Bootleginn' Thiggaz out on the edge. Push off that CB, Bowe, the refs won't see.

Uh uh.

What?

I'm Punk Shanny and I'm here to say
Gonna pay back Bowlen
Cus I'm the rat-hey

Gonna grease up Albert
And chop-block some fooz

Gonna bootleg Thiggaz
And Larry's gonna rollz

Look out Davis
Here I come
Now my running back
Packs a heated gun

What? What?

Arrowhead FO LIFE

Peace out.

Got a plate waitin' fo me at Gates.

KC-style.

YO.

that's ok... we've gotten used to losing at home these days :shake:

FYP

Jesus

Shanahan + Wade Philips

=

CHAMPIONSHIP

thats all herms fault

Mr. Wendler, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Shanahan can die in a fire... ****ing cheating bastard!

It remains to be seen if Shanny changes his tune in allowing a true GM to be over him but I doubt it with 2B2BSBs behind his name. He will con some owner into having all the shot calling power. But give Shanny credit, he milked those SB's for all they were worth holding on to the power for as long as he did.

Cocaine is a helluva drug.

I'm a Bronco fan living in Kansas City. I cheer for the Chiefs but only when they aren't playing the Broncos. If Shanahan came to Kansas City, I would be an instant Chiefs first fan. Sounds like I'm jumping ship? Perhaps. I love my Broncos but firing Shanahan was kind of a slap in the face and quite possibly a wake up call. I always expected things to turn around in Denver but I didnt expect this and it pissed me off.

I liked the Chiefs under Marty, even though I didnt live here then. I liked the Chiefs under Vermeil. When Herm took over, that ended that. I knew he would put the anti-midas touch on the Chiefs, as he has everywhere else.

Shanahan comes here. Im an instant supporter again. Might even be able to actually go to a game without fear of being killed for cheering on the Broncos, but this way, I could go to any game and cheer for the chiefs..lol

How cool would that be to have Shanahan coaching my 2nd favorite TE in the business even if its only for 1 more year? Shannon Sharpe is my #1 favorite and Shanny would have coached both of them.........sweeeeeeet.

Anyway, would be cool if it happened. At least get rid of Herm and things would be looking much sweeter.

Good luck in the new year guys.

This franchise needs a little foul play. Herm is a choir boy. That shit don't fly. We need some spygate up in this bitch. Bring me some under-the-table salary-cap book cookin. PUNK SHANNY IN 09! SPIKED COLLAR COACHING!

No way Wade takes a demotion to DC. Think about it !!

****, I hate you just because you even ONCE rooted for the damned dirty bronco scum :toast:

He took one before Dallas.

Thats where I stopped reading

Then you can die in a fire with him....

You go to hell and you die, Claythan!

You are a 'rookie' aren't you!

Is it legal to wear leather pants on the sidelines?

Shanny needs some dope-ass combat boots. He can secure his laminated gameplan to his belt with a chain.

Larry would respect that.

jesus ****ing christ, could you BE any more gay?

billy madison rep ROFL

Big difference between Big D and San Diego in status. Wade like Norv is "peter principaled out" They are not head coaches,period. Great coordinators but not head coaches. And Wade after coaching Big D will not ever be a coordinator again. Count on it!!

What's gay is Herm's cashmere sweater vests and collars buttoned up to his adam's apple.

Enough of that picket-fence coaching.

Shanny's gonna snort coke in his office all night while he comes up with stylin' bootlegs and wicked cutback runs. Then he's gonna crank Juno Reactor over the Arrowhead PA and bust out his scripted plays.

Our new TD song:

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Terrible.

What's your next article?

"Why Gun makes sense in 09 as chiefs head coach"

If Jack Del Rio can wear a suit twice a year then it's only fair that Shanahan gets to express himself as well.

The team needs to focus on the GM and then go from there.

My biggest concern is Shanahan won only one divisional title since John Elway retired. Denver went to the playoffs four times out of six. Since the divisional title in 2004, the Broncos have barely gone .500 in an underperforming division.

Honestly, this year wasn't the first time the Broncos collasped, when all they needed to do was beat S.F. at Denver to get to the playoffs. You might disagree and I respect that, but what has Denver accomplished in the last ten years since Elway left?

I'm not arguing your overall point, but Herm Edwards has as many playoff appearances and titles as Shanahan.

My opinion of Shanahan can also be wrong.

Is this the same Shanarat that got blown out by a 2-14 Chiefs team this year, and had to rally from behind to beat them in Denver? The coach who hasn't done jack shit since Horseface retired? The coach who hasn't had a defense for years?

All the genius posters on this BB mock what they call "true fans" for being satisfied with 9-7 seasons, and you want to hire a coach who has done nothing but that for the last 10 years?

Please go die in a fire before you have sex for the first time and possibly procreate...

Shanahan makes sense for chiefs like an earthquake makes sense for a flood victim.

I would actually support Shanahan being the head coach in the KC (although I don't see it happening)... but there would be a decent chance he'd keep Goonther around in some capacity IMO.

not at all

he interviewed gun to pick his brain only

This article written only to try and incite the chiefs faithful. It makes little sense. I don't want Shanny because I think his best days of coaching are behind him. He's never met a defensive coordinator he couldn't fire. Hope he does take over in Dallas. He and Jerry Jones would be a fun soap opera and we could watch them get blown out in the playoffs every year.

That idiot could only incite nauseau.

ass cancer

The Rat is too white. LJ could never play for him.

Oddly enough, I know more Bronco Fans here than I do Chiefs fans. When I moved here, I was pleasantly surprised. :)

He's a better candidate than a lots of other, so whatevs.

This! Thread over

Well guys, riddle me this? As much as we hated Elway, didn't we respect him more? How many of you can actually say you would have been against him coming to KC? A coach of this magnitude doesn't come along but once a decade. Shanahan is the equivalent of the can't-miss high-priced free agent. Other guys (read coordinators) are like drafting a rookie. It's 50/50 if they'll be successful. Clark Hunt needs to open the coffers for Shanahan. Any other candidate and I say let the new GM pick the HC. In Shanahan's case, I say bring him in now and then get the GM. What do we have to lose? We won 2 friggin games this year.

Shanahan's headed to Indy.

die ****stick

Nice article, Claythan. But I don't see it happening. It wouldn't faze me if he got hired here, so long as get two more D-linemen and two or O-linemen and respective coaches. That mentioned, it's too much of an overhaul to interest Shanahan.

I might go for it if he would wear a mullet wig and a pair of those glasses with the big nose.

Never thought I would say this but, I completely agree with frazod. :grr:

sorry C.E. - but I hope your fingers get cut off in some freak accident, so that you may no longer post something so heinous. This is actually worse than the carl goes to miami and wins a SB thread.....

Go ...away......fat man!

Great offensive mind, but I think he'd want too much control and given his recent track record with defensive draftees, no thanks.

This.


The former.

Why would we want a tired retread, who hasn't won shit since horseface retired?

Whitlock did this shit to try and sell papers
not sure what WPIs goal is

Why would Shanny want to coach a hapless team with no QB,WR, OL, or RB that hasn't sniffed a SB in 40 years; a team that is now worse than the AZ Cardinals?:evil:

Seriously though, I don't want Shanny anywhere near the AFC West. The guy is like Phil Jackson: give him talent to coach and he can win rings.
If he can stand JerryJones Shanny will be a Cowboy next year.

FYP

Shanahan Makes NO Sense For Chiefs

FYT


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