Please no more Orakpo talk
 

After tonight's game, he is definitely undeserving of the #3 pick.

He got shut down by a quality LT tonight, and completely disappeared. I never really saw him contribute in the running game, which is frightening since our run D was atrocious this season.

All I am saying is that if we draft a DE at #3, he had better be like Mario Williams, able to stop the run and disrupt the passing game on a consistent basis. I do not see that from Orakpo, or most of the top DE's this year.

So, let the QBOTF/OL/LB/DB debate begin!

Sorry if repost.
Sorry if I am lame.

edit: please feel free to move this to the draft forum if you would like, mods.

Ya mean like Glenn Dorsey?

(no, that's not supposed to make sense)

I'd say he's a black jared allen

:clap:

There is nothing resembling Mario Williams from these ends.....there's alot of ends but no top tier elite guy.

He did suck it up tonight.

You think we'll be able to get a quality guy still in the 2nd then?

I hadn't really been overwhelmed by him before, and tonight didn't help his cause.

He'll be a workout warrior like Gholston was, and someone will fall in love with him because he has great workouts in a tee shirt and shorts.

Orakpo to me at the next level is a strong side end, he puts on 15-20lbs and plays over RT.

So, sounds like he's not a typical top 5 guy? (Minus the workouts of course)

I wouldn't take him in the top 5....I don't really think any of these ends are worthy of that.

Honestly, who actually looks like a legit Top 5 pick right now?

It's starting to look like Stafford and Sanchez, and a bunch of question marks.

Huge concern about Bradford being a spread QB.

Andre Smith's weight/footowrk may keep him from being a LT.


Monroe?

Oher?

Mays?

I agree.

You know, this year's draft class is looking pretty shitty, compared to years past. I mean, there isn't exactly a "consensus" number one. Half of them say Bradford. The other half, Stafford. The others, none of them are really worthy of a top 5 pick.

All the Chiefs better hope is that the Lions and Rams either pick Bradford or someone else, and not Stafford. If Stafford is gone, what is the best choice for the Chiefs on 3rd?

In my opinion, it would be wise to trade out.

What do you do with Tamba?

Do you move Tamba back to RE or do you demote him and leave Babin where he is?

Or do you see who is available in the later rounds and pick from there?

Free Agent RDE?

Anytime there are potentially 2 franchise QB's at the top of a draft it's not a bad class....I also think the Rams will take whoever grades out as the best OT.

Maybe Mays. Maybe Sanchez, but I am curious to see how much of his success reflects from the talent surrounding him. Kinda hard to get a good read on him.

But we already have a LT. Why pick another LT? Can't pick a RT on the top 5. Can't pick a LB on the top 5. etc. etc. etc.

I think he lined up on Boone's side all night and Boone has been a disappointment most of the season. Harvey abused him 2 years ago.

You don't take a guy who plays over RT with a top 5 pick, that's what....and Jason Babin and Tamba Hali are bums that should have no influence over personnel moves.

Hali to me at best is a backup.

I know Stafford is one. Who's the other? Bradford? Sanchez? Bradford scares me more than Sanchez do as of this point, but it's not by much.

you spelled please wrong you silly b!tch !!

Lets say we skip on DE at #3, and we want one at #34, where is the big LSU DE supposed to fall? How does he grade out?

Mother ****er.

how do I edit that?

edit: figured it out. Thanks.

I'd rate Sanchez better than Bradford, either way they're all picked by 15 at the latest if all 3 come out, could be all 3 by 10.

Tyson Jackson weighs 290lbs unless you are a 3-4 team why on earth would you want him?

Tyson Jackson?

Reminds me of McBride.

Versatile, but lacks quickness and moves.

But Bradford scares me more than Sanchez, because Oklahoma does not run a pro-style offense.

Isn't Bradford the same situation as McCoy is? Both of them play in a gimmick offense, and you did say that you would spend a 6th round pick on a QB who was breaking all kinds of records, so to speak.

And he's first round? I must be missing something here.....

Also, I missed it while pissing, but did Orakpo's sack come when they moved him to LE and put him over the RT in an obvious passing situation? Looked that way on the replays as I was walking back into the room.

Oh shit. I thought he was slimmer, around 275 or so.

That's the nature of the NFL, I personally wouldn't pick Sam Bradford regardless.

So if there isn't a QB that we like at #3 what to do?

Taylor Mays at safety would be worth it if he could be an Ed Reed/Troy Polamalu type.

A lot of boards have Aarron Curry rated high, but he'd have to be a monster to take at #3 overall at LB. He'd need a HOF-type career to justify the pick. Is Curry that kind of guy?

After that you're stuck with taking an OT just to take best available athlete. Not my first choice

We really, really need all 3 QBs to come out.

Scott Wright seems to think he can play the 5 technique in a 34, DT or DE in a 43.

And he's not the only one saying it...

I wouldn't. I have been saying ever since the 2009 NFL Draft was brought up that I don't want any part of Bradford.

I think it really going to depend on where Sanchez may be pre-ranked. Even that, he could be a top 15 guy. My concern is, if Stafford is gone, and Bradford is there on 3rd, I sure hope that we trade out to get in the 10-15 range, where we HOPE that Sanchez will be avaiable. Hell, I'll go somewhere between 6-8, and reach him a little bit, if I have to.

One way or another, this team has way too many holes, that I'm under the belief that more draft picks is a must........

I'm just going with my instinct when I see him I see another LSU product, Marcus Spears.

This post was a lot more timely when I started it.

As an SC fan I think Mays would cover as much if not more ground than those guys do and be every bit the hitter and intimidating type of player Polamalu is but he doesn't have Reeds hands. To this point he hasn't been a big play guy he's done what he's been asked to do.

The question is do you think in a different system and development of his unbelievable raw talent he becomes more of a playmaker.

Don't get me wrong, I think he'd be best used at the 5, but it wouldn't surprise me to see a 43 team take him.

I just go with my basic things, I'd never take an oversized end in a 4-3 when I expect the ends to be pass rushers.

QBs are boom or bust. If your guy is there, someone you think can lead your franchise for a decade or more, you pull the trigger regardless of the value. No first round QB turns out to be worth exactly their draft pick. They are either worth far more or far less. If you think he has a chance to be worth far more, why mess around and lose him?

Sanchez I doubt will fall that far if he comes out.

I'm just randomally guessing. He hasn't "declared" yet, and there's the matter of pro-days and workouts, etc.

For a guy with his speed, the range is there to be a playmaker. I guess it boils down to a couple things: 1) how are his football instincts and is he teachable and will he have a good film study ethic? You have to be in the right place to make plays. 2) can he learn to catch by on his hands. He doesn't have to be Tony Gonzalez or anything, but I think most people could get better by catching a couple hundred balls a day. 3) how is his vertical jump/body control?

I couldn't understand cinching Orakpo in over OT. If that was his decision, then he just fu'd. Leaning at Maualuga moreso, just based on the post-season. Have to wait until after the declaration date, regarding a 1st rd QB.

Okay, something that hasnt come up much if Pioli is picked is will he trade down?

I have seen the Pats do it a few times, not always, but they are always about getting value for their picks. So if the value isnt there at #3, does he sell it to the highest bidder, even if the price is a little cheaper than normal?

Personally, I get a hardon when I think of Mays roaming on our side of the D.

Amazing on all. Serious. For the most part. But ask Mecca.

The kid said in an interview that while the other guys go out to LA and party and have fun, he sits alone and watches game film.

I've seen some people knock his instincts which I think is bullshit...I've seen every game he's played and I've never seen a problem there.

He's a coachable guy and I've seen him say in interviews he basically has no social life because of all the time he spends watching film trying to be the best he can be.

Impossible to tell. New England has never really had to worry about need on draft day.

I don't think he'd have bad workouts, he has pretty good speed for a QB, he's elusive and all that and his arm is a + arm there is nothing that would raise any flags.

That is what you want top hear when you are drafting and spending a ton of money on a young man.

Very, very good point.

Well New England dropped down last year for cap reasons they didn't really need a top 10 pick...but when they were building their team they rarely moved down.

They actually moved up for Ty Warren.

the biggest knock on sanchez is lack of starts...he's had what...16 career starts? A lot of those one year wonders turn out to be busts.

He is only a junior too, aren't all of the QB's jr's? I doubt Sanchez enters the draft because of that. Leinart decided not to come out his junior year and he would have probably been the number 1 pick. You don't want to gamble on a JR QB... Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell were JR's and it doesn't look like Russell will amount to much.

Good point!

If a franchise QB is there who's also the BPA one should never pass him up

Roethlisberger was a JR too....

Personally drafting a QB is just knowing it, you don't just pass on a guy cause he's a junior or you think he didn't start enough games.

If you have a feeling about someone you should go for it. Sanchez has shown more in 1 season than alot of guys do in 3.

I thought Gholston was a lock? A savior for the franchise lucky enough to draft him. What happened?

Can I mention according to some on the board Long was just an average LT that wouldnt make a difference to his team...:shake:

I couldn't find out what year QB's left school before the 2003 draft.

But from the 2003 draft til now Alex Smith, Vince Young, Jamarcus Russell, Rex Grossman, and Roethlisburger were all picked in the first round and all left after their Jr. season.

I know that all the Sr. QB's drafted in the first round are not locks but I have always heard that you don't mess with Jr. QB's in the first round.

I can give you other reasons than just being underclassman that those guys didn't work out....

Smith and Young were guys from spread offenses, Grossman wasn't from an NFL offense either, they all had other issues besides just being underclassmen.

Russell has issues just due to the team that picked him.

sounds like scott mitchell

I think any trade down this year is a pipe-dream. There's a pretty decent chance this may end up being the last year for massive rookie contracts, so I don't see any way a team moving down doesn't get bent over and pounded raider-style. The teams at the top are all at a huge disadantage.

You're just upset he made Penn States D look like swiss cheese.

That, and as its been explained to me, a team would have to give up a king's ransom to give us the right value for our pick.

nah

WE TRADE LARRY JOHNSON FOR TERRELL SUGGS AND DRAFT MICHAEL OHER AND MAX UNGER

I am a Texas fan and I am not sure about Orakpo... I don't think tonight's game says much either way.. he was decent when not being held...but "decent" and "solid" does not a top ten pick make....

I think he will be a "good" pick from 12-20 range and a great pick in the 20-40 range...

If we end up with Orakpo.. it better be with our SECOND pick.

Agian, not knocking the kid... just nothing has "wowed" me and I have watched every game he has played in...

So, our #3 is worth a ton, so it is essentially improbable/impossible to trade down.
The top of the draft is weak in talent this year worthy of the #3 pick, and the money.
If Stafford is gone, say the Lions take him, and Bradford/Sanchez stay in for another year, is there a player or players in the NFL that are currently worth the #3 overall pick?
We might as well get the best value out of it, so if a player isn't worth this pick in the draft, is there one on a roster that we could pry away from a team if they fall in love with a kid they 'absolutely have to have'"
I am thinking a team like the Cowboys who have no 1st rounder might get an erection for some player or another, and maybe we could take a star from them, who, I dont know. Just getting bored at 4 am and want to throw some bullshit out there.

Mmm I have to agree with all those who say Orakpo will be a solid pickup from the 15+ plus range.. Though i do think he played a pretty good game... Early on anyway..

Though now that Sanchez is coming out, i think the argument is moot...

He declared?

Uh what, I'm pretty sure Sanchez hasn't decided yet.

I know your kidding, and trading LJ for a FA is pretty good.

I believe Hamas Jenkins was the "Ghloston is a God" leader.

I never thought Orakpo was worth a top 10 pick, but you shouldn't base your opinion off of a player on one game. "Ryan Clady looked bad against Hawaii, he'll never be good in the NFL."

no there isnt that chance, goodell said last week that NO change would take place until AFTER the next draft

Let's get that OSU dude who always smacked directly and late into QB McCoy's helmet!

YAAAH!!!

He'll be a force from that start of every game next year, putting fear immediately into QBs like Romo and E. Manning as well as racking up another concussion for Slothlessburger.

Again, I say: YAAAH!!!

My thoughts exactly. I watched the game mainly for him. The LT owned him all night.

He is not built like JA and doesn't rush in JA's style.

This.

I don't think Mecca meant to say let's draft Orakpo at LDE.

doesn't have the same explosion off the ball

Can I mention that we got just as good a LT about 15 spots later?