Pioli will want to win NOW
 

He's going to have to use FA to do it. Philosophies anyone?

Mine: Bart Scott MLB free agent Ravens
Channing Crowder? Got to have a stud in the middle, our second biggest need.

Draft: move down round one, get xtra pick (only move as far as 8) and still get quality DE pass rusher.

Second round: DE or quality OL- whichever is best at his position.

We can no longer simply pick the best athlete left on the board, we must draft for need.

This obviously means I trust Thigpen vs a veteran QB competition.

I'd rather get Akin Ayodele than Channing Crowder.

Bart Scott is solid, but he'll get overpaid and he's overhyped playing with Ray Lewis, Terrell Suggs, Ed Reed, Chris McAlister, Samari Rolle, etc.

Pioli, for all his trades and FA wizardry, understands that you win through the Draft.

I expect Pioli to continue Herm's trend of stockpiling draft picks.

I honestly don't think Pioli will go out and sign free agents to win now. From what I've read, one of the issues with him in Cleveland is that Pioli wanted to blow up the team and Lerner wanted to win now.

Eh I don't think you try to build a winner in the snap of a finger most teams built that way aren't built for the long haul...

We have no idea what they're going to do we may not even be running the same defensive system which completely changed this whole idea of needing a DE.

if bradford and sanchez both don't declare and stafford doesn't fall to us then, sure, trade down... but if we have a chance to draft stafford or sanchez, we better ****ing take it

I think that's kind of crazy. We've got too many holes to fill to be drafting for need.

Eh I didn't say rebuild through FA guys. There are important spots to be filled and they can't all be through the draft.

Also the Chiefs are bad enough to take the best player......drafting for need is generally a pretty stupid thing to do.

Even if Andre Smith is the best player?

Need should play a certain role.

Spots? Specifically we need MLB, DE, OL more than a athletic TE ?
We have an offense in place and a pretty good young secondary on defense--what else to fill (kickers not included)

RB's are a dime a dozen and we now have some receivers, Thigpen is better at his position than most of the front seven on defense is. I just think we are not as far away as most people think, damn optimist me,

I'm pretty sure he's seen how important a QB and the correct system (where a QB can flourish) really are. I hope like hell that stafford falls to us and we (wisely) take him.

Oh great this morphed back into how Thigpen is good enough, kill me now.

We have the worst front 7 in football, need a new right side of the OL, a QB and an improved WR corps.

This is my point.

where does this nonsense come from?

We need Pioli now more than ever. We were lucky to land him this offseason.

This draft is full of solid players, but no one guy sticks out from the rest. And they can't ALL be superstars. I'm incredibly excited to have a guy like Pioli doing the picking instead of Carl and company

Look the Andre Smith thing is a fine point, positional value plays in but don't tell me the Chiefs have to without a doubt take a defensive end because this team needs a QB worse than anything.

U r the only one morphing.

You said Thigpen is better than the Chiefs front 7....which basically isn't true they are about equally as bad.

Saying Thigpen is better than our front seven is just about the most damning praise possible.

While true, he used it in a way to say QB isn't that pressing of a need.

No matter what defense we run we'll need to upgrade at DE. As far as the long haul is concerned the Patriots have done pretty well in the long haul and they brought in plenty of FAs. We have plenty of young talent and if things go good we'll add some more in the 2009 draft but we are so young that we need a FA or two shore up a position or two and to also add experience. This team should start trying to put it all together in 2009 and win all the games they can. It goes both ways though. Some teams seem to always be building for the long haul but they never start winning and other teams put all they can into every season trying to build/buy a winner but they only end up middle of the road and underachieve. It takes a balance but you can never go into a season thinking it's o.k. to lose because you're rebuilding. I guess for the long haul a team must make good decisions regarding players in the draft and free agency yearly.

PhilFree:arrow:

I agree, but prioritizing them I would put OL and QB behind the defensive front seven as far as what would help us compete most NEXT year, if anybody thinks Pioli won't want to succeed right away you are crazy- not you DakCMan, simply stating he won't go for rebuilding squat and allowing a four or five win season and saying that's improvement, to get what he wants he MUST use FA for specific need spots and the draft (it can't just be one or the other if you want to succeed as quick as what Pioli will want)

no wonder everyone is switching to different sites except the same ol guys! U R 2 smart for everyone else

So Thigpen set all kinds of crappy records? Where did he rank in QB's versus our D?

Of course he'll want to win now. a good GM and HC can turn around a franchise on a dime.

I think we're gonna see free agent signings but not very many big names. Look for guys that are out of their highest pay days are behind them but are still productive. Pioli brought in 23 free agents in one of his first years there. We need some professionals to teach our young roster how to win.

Records? he didn't set any records unless playing a college gimmick offense in the NFL is a record...

QB is the most important position on a team and we don't have one so that takes priority over everything else.

Thank you, this was my only point. You must be a true fan, stated better than I.

Madden 09 Franchise Mode.

Someone does there research.

Defensive rankings were awful and broke records not meant to be proud of, how did Thigpen rank------you said they were even--no, look at rankings,

You think Pioli might bring in a 3-4 defense?

What would that do with Dorsey?

"The most important position on the team is quarterback, and it's probably time to find a replacement for Bobby Layne," said Schwartz, referring to Detroit's Hall of Fame quarterback from the 1950s. "Quarterback is the trump card of all positions in the NFL. If you've got a great quarterback, you can cover up a lot of other areas on your team. If you don't have a great quarterback, you've got to be really good in a lot of other areas."

I know how Thigpen ranked, he throws a fluttery deep ball and completes 54% in a gimmick offense that is suppose to make completing passes easy..

You don't pass on a QB because of Tyler ****in Thigpen and if you do you're brain fell out.

He was 27th in QB rating. The guys behind him were Gus Frerotte, Dan Orlovsky, Marc Bulger, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Derek Anderson.

Impressive.

omfg LOL

/back to lurking

Yea Thigpen is the man!

Exactly. Bulger and Anderson have been Pro-Bowlers. What else does Thigpen need to prove?

This. i'd have to say pioli all ready has a plan in mind about the QB spot, and I don't think it has Thigpen in any more then a backup role. From what I've read about the guy he does a lot of his own scouting so I'd think he knows who he wants to target in the draft or pilfer from someone else's roster. Lets all remember Farve wasn't drafted by the packers he was traded for by a coach who had his eye on him by doing his homework.

ROFL