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Reerun_KC 01-16-2009 10:21 AM
Pioli and Herms Tampa 2
 
Blah Blah Blah with the Patsification of the Chiefs.. What we should be asking is can Pioli get the right players for the Tampa 2 and Bucsification?

We are in dire need of some LB's, safties and a push from the DL, will Herm and Pioli be able to find those guys and get this defense out of the cellar?

We need at least 2 safeties, 2 LB's and two soild down linemen this off season to make a difference with this defense... Yes I know that is alot to ask for, but we need help and badly...

OnTheWarpath15 01-16-2009 10:22 AM
Why would Pioli need to get players to fit Herm's system, when he's going to fire Herm in the next 5-7 days?

KCFalcon59 01-16-2009 10:23 AM
We're so bad on D right now it would be the perfect time to scrap the cover 2. And that means get rid of Herm!

Chiefnj2 01-16-2009 10:28 AM
Why on earth would anyone want to run the cover 2 as a base defense at this point in time? Why on earth would anyone allow Herm to dictate the defensive philosophy of the team?

Reerun_KC 01-16-2009 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by KCFalcon59 (Post 5396200)
We're so bad on D right now it would be the perfect time to scrap the cover 2. And that means get rid of Herm!
True, but we havent done that...

There are alot of threads about 3-4 or 4-3, but why not the cover 2?

Can Pioli get the right players that will work with Herm and Herms systems here to make the Tampa 2 successful?

Reerun_KC 01-16-2009 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5396221)
Why on earth would anyone want to run the cover 2 as a base defense at this point in time? Why on earth would anyone allow Herm to dictate the defensive philosophy of the team?
Because he is the HC and that is his defense of preference...

Kylo Ren 01-16-2009 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5396191)
Blah Blah Blah with the Patsification* of the Chiefs.. What we should be asking is can Pioli get the right players for the Tampa 2 and Bucsification?

We are in dire need of some LB's, safties and a push from the DL, will Herm and Pioli be able to find those guys and get this defense out of the cellar?

We need at least 2 safeties, 2 LB's and two soild down linemen this off season to make a difference with this defense... Yes I know that is alot to ask for, but we need help and badly...


*Coined by John_Wayne on 01/15/09.
Fixed it for you.

Reerun_KC 01-16-2009 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by John_Wayne (Post 5396261)
Fixed it for you.
Please forgive. I will not plagarise again....

Chief Roundup 01-16-2009 10:46 AM
I disagree about the safeties. We don't need 2 safeties. We might get one late. We do need LB's though. Need new and better coaching on the Defense.

FringeNC 01-16-2009 10:58 AM
We won't be running the cover-2 or any variant as our base defense.

chiefscafan 01-16-2009 11:08 AM
safety rashard Johnson from Alabama he is a playmaker much like ED Reed. We could get hi m between rounds 3-5.

beach tribe 01-16-2009 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefscafan (Post 5396355)
safety rashard Johnson from Alabama he is a playmaker much like ED Reed. We could get hi m between rounds 3-5.
You won't be getting a safety like Ed Reed in rnds 3-5.

chiefzilla1501 01-16-2009 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5396252)
Because he is the HC and that is his defense of preference...
But he did run a 3-4 in New York with Cottrell. Herm is not an X's and O's coach and he probably relies on his defensive coordinator to run whatever defense he wants anyway.

The Tampa 2 actually does work in the NFL, but you need a lot of creativity behind it. And I'm not convinced anyone has that creativity except Monte Kiffin. So I agree that they need to move away from the Cover 2.

I know a 3-4 will lesser utilize Dorsey's talents, but I still think that's a direction we should move toward.

BigChiefFan 01-16-2009 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5396197)
Why would Pioli need to get players to fit Herm's system, when he's going to fire Herm in the next 5-7 days?
Pioli will go into the interview process with Herm as open-minded as possible, but once he gets feedback from the coach, he will have ample evidence to show Clark that Herm isn't the right man for the job. We are paying Herm a courtesy by getting his version of the situation, which will also allow Scott a better understanding of what the players were asked to do. I expect Herm will be relieved of his duties fairly quick.

R&GHomer 01-16-2009 11:22 AM
I don't see us running any kind of a cover 2 D. Herms Defense is a complete failure. I don't see why Herm even want's to be the coach of this team. It's not going to be his any longer regardless of wether he's here or not, no cover 2, the offense is Gailey's or something completely different. just doesn't make any sense. Other than to maybe save face in the hope he can get a future HC gig.

RippedmyFlesh 01-16-2009 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 5396361)
You won't be getting a safety like Ed Reed in rnds 3-5.
Exactly,if you want the next Reed you have to take 1st safety picked in round 1 and hope.

BigChiefFan 01-16-2009 11:38 AM
Taylor Mays is staying in school.

smittysbar 01-16-2009 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 5396382)
But he did run a 3-4 in New York with Cottrell. Herm is not an X's and O's coach and he probably relies on his defensive coordinator to run whatever defense he wants anyway.

The Tampa 2 actually does work in the NFL, but you need a lot of creativity behind it. And I'm not convinced anyone has that creativity except Monte Kiffin. So I agree that they need to move away from the Cover 2.

I know a 3-4 will lesser utilize Dorsey's talents, but I still think that's a direction we should move toward.
So you think it was Gunther that wanted to run the Tampa 2? :spock:

BigChiefFan 01-16-2009 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefscafan (Post 5396355)
safety rashard Johnson from Alabama he is a playmaker much like ED Reed. We could get hi m between rounds 3-5.
I had him in my mock draft as a 4th rounder, because we will be picking so high in each round. I also think he's a stud and would be a value pick in the 4th round.

talastan 01-16-2009 12:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5396191)
Blah Blah Blah with the Patsification of the Chiefs.. What we should be asking is can Pioli get the right players for the Tampa 2 and Bucsification?

We are in dire need of some LB's, safties and a push from the DL, will Herm and Pioli be able to find those guys and get this defense out of the cellar?

We need at least 2 safeties, 2 LB's and two soild down linemen this off season to make a difference with this defense... Yes I know that is alot to ask for, but we need help and badly...
Stating the possiblity of Herm returning? Who are you and how did you hack Reerun's login?! :spock:

BigChiefFan 01-16-2009 12:11 PM
We don't even have the right players to run the cover two and the system is flawed, why on Earth would we continue on the road to ruin? Ain't happening-Herm's as good as gone.

MahiMike 01-16-2009 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5396252)
Because he is the HC and that is his defense of preference...
Cart...

Horse...

Kerberos 01-16-2009 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by KCFalcon59 (Post 5396200)
We're so bad on D right now it would be the perfect time to scrap the cover 2. And that means get rid of Herm!
What? You don't like the Cover "WHO" defense?

:D

Reerun_KC 01-16-2009 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by talastan (Post 5396582)
Stating the possiblity of Herm returning? Who are you and how did you hack Reerun's login?! :spock:
Just saying that as a Chiefs fan since the mid 80's, I am used to failure from this franchise, therefore I would expect anything promising anytime soon..

blueballs 01-16-2009 12:47 PM
Reerun has sworn off sex
until Herm is fired

Reerun_KC 01-16-2009 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by blueballs (Post 5396739)
Reerun has sworn off sex
until Herm is fired
He better hurry up and get fired, I picked up a bottle of wine today for Mrs Reerun_KC....

We are going to have some US time tonight..... :D

Chris Meck 01-16-2009 01:48 PM
I'm no huge fan of the cover 2, but I really don't understand the fascination with the 3-4. A lot of people seem to think it's some magic bullet.

We don't really have ANY players suited to it. Like none.

Ok, MAYBE McBride.

talastan 01-16-2009 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 5396906)
I'm no huge fan of the cover 2, but I really don't understand the fascination with the 3-4. A lot of people seem to think it's some magic bullet.

We don't really have ANY players suited to it. Like none.

Ok, MAYBE McBride.
I agree, I think that we stick with the 4-3 and use a more blitz heavy scheme like the Giants or Eagles IMO. Attack the QB and use more man-to-man coverage. Our DB's are talented enough and with a good pass rush I think this would be the best option given the players we have currently on our roster and who will be available in the draft and FA.

RustShack 01-16-2009 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 5396906)
I'm no huge fan of the cover 2, but I really don't understand the fascination with the 3-4. A lot of people seem to think it's some magic bullet.

We don't really have ANY players suited to it. Like none.

Ok, MAYBE McBride.
McBride, Boone, Babin, DJ, Flowers, Carr, Page, Pollard would all fit. We have a few backup LB's that fit the 3-4 better than they do the 4-3. Tank and Dorsey MIGHT be able to play 3-4 DE, but they would be better DT's in the 4-3. We will also likely start signing players who fit the 3-4 more and also draft them since we will likely be running it within the next couple years...

RustShack 01-16-2009 02:12 PM
We need a lot of new players on defense no matter what system we run anyways.

FringeNC 01-16-2009 02:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 5396906)
I'm no huge fan of the cover 2, but I really don't understand the fascination with the 3-4. A lot of people seem to think it's some magic bullet.

We don't really have ANY players suited to it. Like none.

Ok, MAYBE McBride.
It's not a magic bullet, but our new GM has spent years stocking a 3-4 with talent. Why not go in a direction in which he is specialized?

chiefzilla1501 01-16-2009 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5396965)
McBride, Boone, Babin, DJ, Flowers, Carr, Page, Pollard would all fit. We have a few backup LB's that fit the 3-4 better than they do the 4-3. Tank and Dorsey MIGHT be able to play 3-4 DE, but they would be better DT's in the 4-3. We will also likely start signing players who fit the 3-4 more and also draft them since we will likely be running it within the next couple years...
I think the Tank and very arguably Dorsey could be effective ends in this defense too.


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