Tyler Thigpen Fans
 

For those of you who think that Thigpen is a legitimate NFL starter, answer this:

What do you think he would bring via a trade?

Matt Cassel, for example, is 2 years older than Thigpen. The Patriots wouldn't even think of letting him go for less than a mid to high first round pick.

If Thigpen is really a legitimate NFL starter, he should be worth at least that much. What would the reaction be from GMs around the league if we shopped him for a high first round pick?

What is the highest pick you think any team would be willing to give

popcorn time.

1st.

Excitement.

Thread over.

7th?

But I'm not a big fan. He has enough potential in my mind to hang on to but about zero trade value.

Dave

I've read and heard that Thiggy compares favorable to Steadman, Marino, Elway, Favre, and Shore.

What are you smoking?

I'm sure he's read that. Unfortunately it was on here.

TBH, it's a legit angle. That said, I don't believe Cassell is worth a 1st.

I really don't understand why the anti-Thigpen crowd is so confident Pioli will think he is nothing more than a marginal backup.

Pioli seems like the type of guy that could care less that Thigpen doesn't have the credentials (high draft pick). And I think he is going to be more concerned with Thigpen's intangibles versus his height.

I don't know what Pioli is going to do, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if Thigpen is our starter next year.

Probably because he watched Brady lead the Pats to 3 SB Championships. Yeah, that might have something to do with it...

I wouldn't give a 1st for Cassel, and I wouldn't give a 4th for Thiggy.

:Poke::Poke::Poke:

Thigpen has fans?

I don't own a smoker, unfortunately.

WOW. Someone else needs to go 100 days without weed.

Who's Tyler Thigpen?

Thigpen ftw. Seriously I think that it should be an open competition in camp, which is why Im not totally randy for the idea of picking a QB 3rd, because then Thiggy doesnt have a shot, despite I think possibly having the stuff to be our QB.

IMO Cassell is not worth a 1st and Thigpen is not worth much at all, except to hold onto for a decent back up.

What are YOU smoking?

Your sister's pole mostly.

OH SHIT.

LMAO Was that supposed to offend me?

That was a good one wasn't it? I repped him for it, I hope you don't mind, but I hardly ever actually laugh out loud reading this stuff.

Not many posters use pictures of themselves in their avi's. Brave choice.

It seems unlikely that the Chiefs would be willing to trade Thigpen. He will either be the starter next season or in competition with the quarterback we draft.

Thiggy could be .. but who knows ....

I dont see Cassel being much of an upgrade over Thiggy.

Thigpen has a major problem: wherever he goes, he needs to bring an entire spread offense system with him. He was fun as hell to watch in a 2-14 season, but I don't know what that's really worth.

ROFL

"Wherever we go we bring the monkey with us..."

I think a 5th is possible. The guy has exp now and some team would give it for him. Known quantity.

Why do you say that?

Cassell has to "prove it" just as much as Thigpen does. Until then, he's just another Derek Anderson

We need to build freakin D on this team-thiggy stays another year imo.

I think we need to build everything...

Hey I can do that too!! ROFL ROFL :rolleyes:

You think he could put up the numbers he did with THIS team, yea I dont think so.....

I would say that is true-but QB is by far Not our weakest position. With another playmaker receiver and some descent O line help-Thiggy could put up some outstanding numbers-on the ground and in the air.

3rd. I don't think you're looking at it the right way though. He has UPSIDE. People don't trade for upside, they trade for proven ability. Give him another year.

I would say Thigpen is worth a 5th. It seems very unlikely he will ever be an elite QB but he has some value.

Gannon too.

This.

Thigpen has no trade value. This is a guy the Chiefs picked up on waivers, and he won a grand total of one game as a starter.

He's worth far more to the Chiefs because he's the best quarterback they have on the roster right now. Even if they draft Stafford or Sanchez, they need to keep Thigpen around.

I don't get all the Thigpen-haters who insist that he simply cannot play unless he is running the spread offense. Give the guy a freaking chance to learn and develop like any other young quarterback.

random bible quote thread

Jesus went out along the sea.
All the crowd came to him and he taught them.
As he passed by, he saw Levi, son of Alphaeus,
sitting at the customs post.
Jesus said to him, “Follow me.”
And he got up and followed Jesus.
While he was at table in his house,
many tax collectors and sinners sat with Jesus and his disciples;
for there were many who followed him.
Some scribes who were Pharisees saw that Jesus was eating with sinners
and tax collectors and said to his disciples,
“Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
Jesus heard this and said to them,
“Those who are well do not need a physician, but the sick do.
I did not come to call the righteous but sinners.”

Thigpen had exactly 1 win as a starting QB (and he was a big part of the Chiefs losses when he was the starting QB), Thigpen had a horrible completion %, and Thigpen needed a gimmicky offense to even look like a halfway competent QB.

That isn't impressive to anyone other than Herm and the blind Thigpen supporters on this board.

I hope we draft Stafford or Sanchez. Then, maybe, the Thigpenites will see what a real QB looks like.

He can do that as he's fighting for his job. Just like any other QB in the NFL.

If he's that good, he'll be able to beat out a measly rookie in training camp

Who hates him? I don't, but I am critical of him. If we draft a QB at #3, Thig is done. We'll no longer be running the spread.

He's worth a 5th.

Yeah, all his fault.

Nevermind that he was running an offense with an incomplete playbook.
Nevermind that he had close to zero reps with his receivers in the offseason
Nevermind that he was starting the first games of his entire career
Nevermind that he has zero running game and had to throw well over half of the time--I'd like to see Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco win games when you're forced to throw on 2 of every 3 snaps
Nevermind that he also had arguably the worst defense in the NFL to back him up when things weren't perfect

There are no blind Thigpen supporters on this board. There are plenty that believe that he deserves the same shot to succeed as any legit QB gets. He flashed a lot of ability, and a lot of downside. It's ridiculous to suggest he's shown nothing. Do I think he's the answer? Not yet. Do I think he's a failure? Not yet.

are you kidding? How could something that absurd offend anyone? lol

Okay, please define "deserves the same shot to succeed as any legit QB gets." Does that mean we shouldn't draft a QB in the 1st? What?

I'm pretty sure he IS getting a fair shot. We're going to keep him on the team, give him a somewhat decent spot on the depth chart, and likely have him compete in training camp to keep his starting job. This is the NFL. NOTHING is guaranteed unless you've been successful season after season after season.

Thigpen has a shot at the job. We're just asking him to work at it and prove it. What the hell is wrong with that?

Thigpen hasn't been a winner yet. Everyone see's the promise, but promise doesn't equal wins. I think you could get a 6th for him though. Now if he played next year, in a pro style system and showed he could win, he could fetch a 3rd to a first depending on our record and his numbers. He may play too much next year. Who knows? It should be a more exciting year either way.

Sixth. Maybe fifth.

Best case scenario for us is we draft a QB ie Stafford or Sanchez and Thigpen just goes off and we can trade him for a boatload of picks. More than likely he will be just a backup.

We get rid of Thigpen we're gonna regret it..all he needs is to be able to take snaps from under center which he can get good at. He didn't take hardly any snaps in the offseason because he wasn't supposed to play. Get the guy a coach that can develop a qb and he will develop into a damn good qb..of course nobody here knows shit about developing a qb, you all want to develop one but if they don't put up Manning #s in their first season its time to move on.

it does with coaching

Okay, sure, you have a point.

But guess what?

We're not getting rid of Thigpen.

This simple premise is not hard to comprehend. At all.

Heck, I'm not a fan, but he's definitely worth a third. He's working his way up to having as much potential as Brodie Croyle did when we drafted him. He probably won't develop into a franchise QB, but you can't completely rule it out.

D00d, you're being a srs meanie-head. Thigpen FTW

I know we're not, luckily these idiots don't run the Chiefs


Not saying he's going to be great, but he's certainly got some tools to work with, and with a decent coaching staff could end up being pretty damn good

I'd rather deal with someone that wants a QB running the team than the people who want to draft 500 offensive lineman..

I don't care about Thigpens stats other than YPA and completion % those are highly important stats.

I know what I personally saw...I saw a rather inaccurate passer who couldn't play from center and got very lucky he didn't have numerous more INT's. His 54% completion percentage in the offense that was run for him is scary.

What if defenders catch just an average number of the balls Thigpen hit them with then he has 10 more INT's and people are talking about how he's just brutal right?

I dunno I think with an entire offseason and TC I'd bet he can run a "pro" offense - I think the reason why they did it was because he is super comfortable in it and didn't need much work to make it work and try and win - yeah it didn't work all that great but had the _efense not collapsed in a few games we could have had 6-7 wins

No. His completion percentage sucks. And he struggled as games went along. He was horrible in the 4th qt. No D is going to improve that. Ideally, you want your QB to play well in the 2nd half.

yeah well I'm inclined to believe that the guy who was running the scout offense until week 5 probably needs more practice...if he doesn't work out no big deal...but I'm not giving up on him yet...

If we select a QB at #3, Thig is done. Period.

"He's right. My career was over when my team drafted Philip Rivers." - Drew Brees

In no way am I saying that Thigpen could be another Drew Brees. What I am saying is that you draft a QB at #3 and you KEEP Thigpen. Let them fight for the job next year. If Thigpen wins the job, your rookie QB doesn't have the pressure of starting at once. If Stafford or Sanchez wins the job, Thigpen is a decent backup QB.

This is what I'm saying. Thig would make a good back up. There is no way Stafford or Sanchez does not beat out Thig in TC.

Obviously Stafford or Sanchez would start ahead of Thigpen in the long run.

But not necessarily next season.

If you were a Redskins fan back in 1994, you probably would have been just as sure that there is NO WAY Gus Frerotte beats out Heath Shuler for starting QB. Heath Shuler was the #3 overall pick, and he got beat out by a fellow rookie QB.

I disagree. If we pick a QB 3rd overall, we are going to change the O to suit Stafford/Sanchez. Its not going to be a spread O. Thig will have to adjust. Matt or Mark will already be ahead of Tyler here.

Whatever. Thigpen is NOWHERE near the talent level of Stafford or Sanchez. Period.

But under what circumstances?

When you have a thin playbook with few plays in it (remember, Gailey came up with this offense in midseason out of thin air), it's hard to make halftime adjustments.

When you run the ball 10-15 times a game, you do NOTHING to keep the defense on their toes or to exhaust them by powering a guy like LJ through the line of scrimmage.

And especially in the game against Miami, I still don't understand why the hell Gailey and Herm thought it was a good idea to let Thigpen throw the ball 40+ times in the extreme wind--you have to realize that the wind takes a major toll on your arm.

You have to recognize the circumstances Thigpen was thrown into. He didn't receive even an ounce of coaching attention last offseason because 95% of the attention was spent on developing Brodie Croyle. He doesn't have a repoire with many receivers--guys like Peyton Manning know exactly where his receivers are going to be 90% of the time. As for his performance, I didn't see anything better or worse than Peyton Manning.

Is this guy the answer? I don't know. Is he not the answer? I don't know. I don't know how anyone can suggest that he's definitely a career backup nor do I know how anyone can suggest he's the QB of the Future. You bring in strong competition (like a first round pick, if need be), but you have to give him a chance to work his ass off this offseason to improve. This guy fell into a bad situation and performed pretty admirably.

Yes, you bring in strong competition even if that means a first round pick.

But the Chiefs must, must, MUST stick to their guns on the idea that even if you pick Stafford at #3, Thigpen can keep his job forever if he performs at a high level in 2009. Too many times you see top 10 pick QBs guaranteed the starting job, even if they don't earn the starting job. Can anyone today imagine why Matt Leinart earned a starting job a year ago over Kurt Warner? It's really hard to believe, in hindsight. But that's the trap coaches fall into.

As for "fair", his offensive line sucked, he learned a brand, spanking new offense in midseason with minimal plays, he received almost no coaching attention, he never had a chance to work with receivers, and he has fewer starts than Flacco or Ryan. I'd like to give him an offseason to work with a legit QBs coach and see how he develops, bring in strong competition, and let the best QB win and DO NOT guarantee a starting job to anyone because of draft position.

He was given a shot because BC and Huard could not stay healthy. If BC wasn't made of glass, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

None of this matters. Stafford/Sanchez would beat him out. Period.

Hey, don't get me wrong. I would LOVE to see the Chiefs draft either one of those guys, and I would LOVE to see either one of them win the starting job.

What I don't understand is how you have come to the conclusion that Tyler Thigpen CANNOT play in anything other than the spread. All we really know is that Thigpen sucked the first couple of games he played in, that he played very well at times after that, and that they ran the spread the second half of the season.

It has not been proven that Thigpen can ONLY play the spread offense. You are obviously convinced of that, and it may very well turn out that you are correct. But neither one of us has enough information to make a definitive case one way or the other. My guess is that Thigpen learned a hell of a lot this season, he could be a decent starting QB next year, and that he can learn how run a standard NFL offense.

According to Pete Carroll, Sanchez isn't ready for the NFL. It seems to me that making him the starter next year would be the exact wrong thing to do. Give him a chance to learn the NFL game before you throw him to the wolves.

My hope is that the Chiefs draft Sanchez, Thigpen starts the first half of the 2009, and then Sanchez takes over. I see Thigpen as a caretaker quarterback until the franchise quarterback is ready.

Well, if they for some reason do not get a QB at pick 3 what other option do they have??? Croyle? Another vet reject? I would prefer to get Stafford in the draft and would love to have Sanchez as well, but if they aren't able get one of the 2 it seems Thigpen is the way to go next year.

I'm assuming that Stafford will be drafted by the Lions. But who knows, maybe they'll draft another wide receiver.

Oh wait, Matt Millen is gone...

Yeah, new regime so it is hard to pick on them too much. Of course they do want Gun, so who knows maybe he'll take Krumrie with him and they'll draft some D-lineman who is amazing at the hand fight slap drill.

I remember someone on here mentioning that the only reason that the pats took Brady over Ken Dorsey was that Brady was like 2-3 inches taller, otherwise they felt like it was a wash. That said, I think Pioli will have more than enough tape to analyze to make his decision on Thigpen.

Dorsey was still in college when Brady was picked.