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doomy3 02-25-2009 03:29 PM

Jets Release Laveranues Coles
 
Per ESPN NFL Live

Demonpenz 02-25-2009 03:31 PM

Haily: I have lock Fire fox one
Hailey:splash one Lavernous coles

The Franchise 02-25-2009 03:31 PM

This offseason is only going to get weirder.

Chief Faithful 02-25-2009 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5526595)
Per ESPN NFL Live

Wow! Just two years ago I remember some Jets fans spouting off that Coles was one of the top receivers in the league. One fan in particular saw Coles as a future HOF. ROFL

Hammock Parties 02-25-2009 03:31 PM

I, for one, think he would be a great cheap FA signing. Someone to hold the fort until we get a young deep threat.

crazycoffey 02-25-2009 03:31 PM

WR Bennett and QB T. Green released from the Rams too - Sign 'em pioli!!! LOL

Pioli Zombie 02-25-2009 03:38 PM

Coles would be a darn good pickup.
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Crush 02-25-2009 03:39 PM

It seems like no one is safe from the wrath of the guillotine.

doomy3 02-25-2009 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5526607)
I, for one, think he would be a great cheap FA signing. Someone to hold the fort until we get a young deep threat.

I agree. We could do much worse than Bowe, Coles, and Bradley

talastan 02-25-2009 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5526631)
Coles would be a darn good pickup.
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Meh...depends on whose going to throw to him. :shrug:

blueballs 02-25-2009 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey (Post 5526608)
WR Bennett and QB T. Green released from the Rams too - Sign 'em pioli!!! LOL

QB Coach
Deal is Done

Just Passin' By 02-25-2009 03:41 PM

As the axe falls all around the league, Pioli's free agent "board" is going to be more and more fun to speculate about.

talastan 02-25-2009 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueballs (Post 5526643)
QB Coach
Deal is Done


Trent Green will not be a coach/ Claythan :rolleyes:

blueballs 02-25-2009 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by talastan (Post 5526659)
Trent Green will not be a coach/ Millions in the bank and hot wife

perhaps

Skip Towne 02-25-2009 03:49 PM

Bring him in for a look. Hell, bring 'em all in for a look.

doomy3 02-25-2009 03:49 PM

Trent Green will be on TV.

blueballs 02-25-2009 03:53 PM

Herm Edwards - Trent Green
NFL Point - Counterpoint

Hammock Parties 02-25-2009 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueballs (Post 5526702)
Herm Edwards - Trent Green
NFL Point - Counterpoint

I would pay $89.95 to see Herm and Trent in a boxing match.

CoMoChief 02-25-2009 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by talastan (Post 5526641)
Meh...depends on whose going to throw to him. :shrug:

and it begins........ :grr:

tooge 02-25-2009 03:59 PM

Uhh, I dont know. I heard he sprained his laverneous majorum.

Pioli Zombie 02-25-2009 04:02 PM

Trent in a boxing match?

He gets a concussion brushing his teeth.
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milkman 02-25-2009 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by talastan (Post 5526659)
Trent Green will not be a coach/ Claythan :rolleyes:

Trent Green will not be a coach/milkman

Reerun_KC 02-25-2009 04:17 PM

True Fans rejoice, Bring him in for look or some "show him the ropes time" I am sure he has something left in the tank...

kaplin42 02-25-2009 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5526607)
I, for one, think he would be a great cheap FA signing. Someone to hold the fort until we get a young deep threat.

Would be like signing Patrick Surtain, but as a reciever. No Thanks.

doomy3 02-25-2009 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaplin42 (Post 5526791)
Would be like signing Patrick Surtain, but as a reciever. No Thanks.

Except for the fact that we traded a second round draft choice for Surtain and would be picking Coles up off the scrap heap. Hardly the same thing.

Basileus777 02-25-2009 04:24 PM

It was a cap move. Due to all the dumbass signing the Jets did last year they had to cut him to get under the cap. They might actually bring him back.

milkman 02-25-2009 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Faithful (Post 5526606)
Wow! Just two years ago I remember some Jets fans spouting off that Coles was one of the top receivers in the league. One fan in particular saw Coles as a future HOF. ROFL

Homer fans are idiots.

I actually saw a Chief fan on another forum say in all seriousness last year that Donnie Edwards is a lock for the HoF.

kaplin42 02-25-2009 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5526797)
Except for the fact that we traded a second round draft choice for Surtain and would be picking Coles up off the scrap heap. Hardly the same thing.

Missing my point. Why bring on a tired old reciever that isn't going to give us half the output he used to have so he can sit and collect a paycheck to be unproductive.

I thought we were trying to break away from the stigma of the "last stop before retirement" that we developed over the last several years.

Signing Coles would be counter-productive to the goals of the team right now in my opinion.

And just because so and so was released by some other team doesn not mean that he should automaitcally warrant a contract or even necessarily a look at by the Chiefs.

Hammock Parties 02-25-2009 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaplin42 (Post 5526791)
Would be like signing Patrick Surtain, but as a reciever. No Thanks.

If Coles comes cheap, it's not even close to being the same.

Quote:

Signing Coles would be counter-productive to the goals of the team right now in my opinion.
Why? He can play. Who do you suggest our potential rookie quarterback throws to? Devard ****ing Darling and Mark ****ing Bradley?

Coles is a good stop gap until we can get a young deep threat in the draft.

Brock 02-25-2009 04:32 PM

It wouldn't be a bad thing to sign him.

Just Passin' By 02-25-2009 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaplin42 (Post 5526814)
Missing my point. Why bring on a tired old reciever that isn't going to give us half the output he used to have so he can sit and collect a paycheck to be unproductive.

I thought we were trying to break away from the stigma of the "last stop before retirement" that we developed over the last several years.

Signing Coles would be counter-productive to the goals of the team right now in my opinion.

And just because so and so was released by some other team doesn not mean that he should automaitcally warrant a contract or even necessarily a look at by the Chiefs.

Brace yourself, because Pioli will probably try signing more than one grizzled veteran to the Chiefs.

talastan 02-25-2009 04:33 PM

Vet min IMO only. If Pioli could manage it like they did with the Moss arrangement, only w/o draft picks then I'd be fine for him to play opposite of Bowe and then look to next year's draft for Coles' replacement.

doomy3 02-25-2009 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaplin42 (Post 5526814)
Missing my point. Why bring on a tired old reciever that isn't going to give us half the output he used to have so he can sit and collect a paycheck to be unproductive.

I thought we were trying to break away from the stigma of the "last stop before retirement" that we developed over the last several years.

Signing Coles would be counter-productive to the goals of the team right now in my opinion.

And just because so and so was released by some other team doesn not mean that he should automaitcally warrant a contract or even necessarily a look at by the Chiefs.

At some point we need to sign some players. We have so many holes, and it isn't possible to fill them all through the draft immediately. Whether it's a rookie QB or Thigpen, we will need options at WR and Coles can still play. Haley's offense is predicated on having WRs that can stretch the field, so I would say a guy like Coles makes a lot of sense for a couple years until we can find a younger option.

blueballs 02-25-2009 04:37 PM

Like all defensive FAs will have to go through Krummie's slap test
the offensive FAs will have to through Thiggies jump/crouch test

Reerun_KC 02-25-2009 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5526826)
Brace yourself, because Pioli will probably try signing more than one grizzled veteran to the Chiefs.

What the hell is a grizzled veteran?

Basileus777 02-25-2009 04:38 PM

Coles can't stretch the field, the guy is more of a possession receiver. He isn't all that good at getting separation.

CaliforniaChief 02-25-2009 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by talastan (Post 5526832)
Vet min IMO only. If Pioli could manage it like they did with the Moss arrangement, only w/o draft picks then I'd be fine for him to play opposite of Bowe and then look to next year's draft for Coles' replacement.

Exactly. Signing him wouldn't have the same cap impact that it had when we handed out stupid contracts to Kendrell Bell, Surtain, etc....I think it would be helpful. It's not like we'd be building the team around Coles.

blueballs 02-25-2009 04:40 PM

Coles can't buy a house in Leawood
like he's got back east
there's just not that much wood and stone

Just Passin' By 02-25-2009 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5526848)
What the hell is a grizzled veteran?

griz⋅zled
   /ˈgrɪzəld/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [griz-uhld] Show IPA
–adjective
1. having gray or partly gray hair.
2. gray or partly gray.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=grizzled

kaplin42 02-25-2009 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5526821)
If Coles comes cheap, it's not even close to being the same..

As stated above, if he came for Vet League Minimum, perhaps with some incentive bonuses attached I wouldnt see it as horrible. But chances are he will come at a much heavier price tag than that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5526821)
Why? He can play. Who do you suggest our potential rookie quarterback throws to? Devard ****ing Darling and Mark ****ing Bradley?

Coles is a good stop gap until we can get a young deep threat in the draft.

And again, so could P. Surtain and Ty Law when the Chiefs picked them up. Or at least eveyone thought. Surtain at best was serviceable here and there, but never worth what was traded for and paid to him. And well, Ty Law was a joke and a half.

And I'm not arguing that the Chiefs could use a few good recievers. Bowe has the skills, unless the ball is thrown right into the numbers on his chest, and the others, well, we have other recievers on the team?

I just think Coles is not the player he used to be. He isn't going to stretch the field, and I don't really think he is an over the middle kind of guy. I really just believe it will be like watching the Surtain experiment all over again, just on he opposite side of the ball.

Basileus777 02-25-2009 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaplin42 (Post 5526892)
I don't really think he is an over the middle kind of guy.

That's pretty much what he's always been. He had some speed earlier in his career, but he was never used primarily in deep patterns.

And the Surtain comparison is pretty ****ing weak. We wouldn't be trading away a draft pick or giving Coles a big contract to come here.

the Talking Can 02-25-2009 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5526821)
If Coles comes cheap, it's not even close to being the same.



Why? He can play. Who do you suggest our potential rookie quarterback throws to? Devard ****ing Darling and Mark ****ing Bradley?

Coles is a good stop gap until we can get a young deep threat in the draft.

according to you, Darling is awesome

Hammock Parties 02-25-2009 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaplin42 (Post 5526892)
I just think Coles is not the player he used to be.

He had 70 catches and 7 TDs last year.

Good luck getting that from any other receiver on the Chiefs right now.

MahiMike 02-25-2009 05:17 PM

Coles lives in Jax. They need a WR more than anybody...

Hammock Parties 02-25-2009 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 5526979)
Coles lives in Jax. They need a WR more than anybody...

The Jags will keep trying to win a SB with David ****ing Garrard!

kaplin42 02-25-2009 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 5526921)
That's pretty much what he's always been. He had some speed earlier in his career, but he was never used primarily in deep patterns.

And the Surtain comparison is pretty ****ing weak. We wouldn't be trading away a draft pick or giving Coles a big contract to come here.

I've already explained that point. It's not about the behind the curtains BS, the draft pics and the money. It's about the player on the field, and I think Coles will not be the same player.

DeezNutz 02-25-2009 05:21 PM

So can he or can he not stretch the field anymore? That's about the only question that matters, and there are conflicting views on this in this thread.

Hammock Parties 02-25-2009 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5526987)
So can he or can he not stretch the field anymore? That's about the only question that matters, and there are conflicting views on this in this thread.

He had some long-ass catches last year, three games in a row with a catch over 40 yards.

DeezNutz 02-25-2009 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5526988)
He had some long-ass catches last year, three games in a row with a catch over 40 yards.

Because of YAC, or...?

Hammock Parties 02-25-2009 05:29 PM

I distinctly remember Coles toasting DBs deep. He can still do it.

Basileus777 02-25-2009 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5526995)
Because of YAC, or...?

Basically. Coles is a tough guy who can make some difficult catches and the occasional big play or two. But he's not a deep receiver.

He's also one concussion away from retirement.

Tertullian 02-25-2009 05:31 PM

LC not a burner
 
I know LC well as a JETS fan.
1. LC is a tough, physical WR.
2. He is not fast as he used to be. Therefore he is not a burner. He is a very good possession receiver.
3. He had several injury issues, last two years: concussion and ankle.
4. While he is tough, he is also known as a "whiner."

The overall Jets fans' response to his release? Good riddance.

This release is interesting. JETS do not need to pay his guaranteed 6 million.

Per NY Daily News:

"Okay, here's the deal on the Laveranues Coles situation. Technically, they didn't release him, but they restructured the final year of his contract, allowing him to become an unrestricted free agent on Friday.

In other words, they voided the final year. And, from what I'm told, his $6 million salary (guaranteed) will come off the Jets' salary cap.

It's hard to believe that Coles would've surrendered that much in guaranteed money for his freedom - he could've had his freedom and the guarantee - but he apparently reached a good-faith compromise with the team."

RustShack 02-25-2009 05:32 PM

I don't know who it will be, but I fully expect Haley to bring in a WR. Whether it be Harrison, Coles, Galloway, or Booker... I think he adds someone and then maybe a younger guy like Moore to go with Bowe, Bradley, and Franklin.

dirk digler 02-25-2009 05:34 PM

If this is true than Coles is a gambler.

ON FURTHER REVIEW, COLES WALKED AWAY FROM HIS $6 MILLION

Posted by Mike Florio on February 25, 2009, 5:55 p.m.

OK, now this is getting weird.

Despite a report in the New York Daily News that the guaranteed $6 million in base salary that receiver Laveranues Coles is due to earn from the Jets will be reduced by whatever he earns elsewhere, Dave Hutchinson of the Newark Star-Ledger has clarified for us that Coles has walked away from the guaranteed payment.

So, in other words, Coles gave up $6 million guaranteed in search of even more.

So, in other words, the Jets owe him nothing.

There’s a fine line between bravery and stupidity. As to where Coles falls on this specific issue, we’ll all have to wait and see.

ClevelandBronco 02-25-2009 05:37 PM

"Laveranues?"

No way!

DaKCMan AP 02-25-2009 06:30 PM

If he's released, I'd rather go after Torry Holt than Coles.

DaKCMan AP 02-25-2009 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 5527183)
If he's released, I'd rather go after Torry Holt than Coles.

I think it'll be interesting if Haley is interested in Bryant Johnson and I also wouldn't be disappointed if they went after Michael Clayton.

Fritz88 02-25-2009 06:39 PM

get him

Mile High Mania 02-25-2009 07:16 PM

Coles may have walked away from $6M... but, he's still a good weapon and he'll make that back with another team.

BigChiefFan 02-25-2009 07:20 PM

I can think of better ways of spending $6 mil per year on a player besides Coles. Maybe Snyder will want him the most.


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