Originally Posted by TRR (Post 5572571)

I watched quite a few New England games last season, and remember Cassel being very competent in play-action from under center. As always, the spread formation allows young QB's to see the field better, and be given more time. However, I truly believe Cassel can thrive in either with his athletic ability.

Originally Posted by TommyHawk69 (Post 5572710)

This was Cassel's first as well and he played alot better than Thigpen. . It was almost sickening watching him almost throw a million picks throwing only to Gonzalez.

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5572806)

Thigpen may never amount to more than a backup QB, but it is silly to compare the two.

How many years was each in the NFL? Were they in the same system those years?
What kind of coaching did each player receive?
What was the surrounding talent like?

Originally Posted by TommyHawk69 (Post 5572942)

I was merely pointing that out for those who feel we were better off with Thigpen.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5573134)

someone actually felt that way?

Originally Posted by TommyHawk69 (Post 5573148)

Yeah there were people saying that Thigpen should be given a chance.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5573134)

someone actually felt that way?

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5572695)

While I am not sold on the idea that he is a potential franchise QB, I think Cassel, like most young QBs getting his first season as a starter, had difficulty in adjusting to the speed of the NFL from under center, but like every other aspect of his game, he improved as the season progressed.

I think Cassel will be a pretty decent game manager.

Originally Posted by TommyHawk69 (Post 5572710)

Everybody wants to talk about how good Thigpen was for his first year starting. This was Cassel's first as well and he played alot better than Thigpen. I think it remains to be seen if either will make a superstar QB but my money is on Cassel before Thigpen. Cassel spread the ball around and Thigpen only looked for Gonzalez. It was almost sickening watching him almost throw a million picks throwing only to Gonzalez.

Originally Posted by Chief3188 (Post 5573473)

To be fair to Thigpen here there are very major differences. Cassell stepped into a very established offense and was in his 4th year in the NFL out of USC and learned behind Brady.

Thigpen came into an offense averaging 9 points per game with an Oline that had already lead to the demise of 2 previous QB's. He was also only in his 2nd season in the NFL out of Coastal Carolina.

To me what Thigpen did was more impressive than what Cassell did.

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5573489)

Cassel rode the pine for the 4 years he was in the league, and another 4 years at USC.

Thigpen had an offense basically tailored around his strengths.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 5573590)

You know, we keep having this same Thigpen/Cassel argument over and over and over despite the fact that Pioli effectively ended it a couple weeks back. The decision's been made, like it or not. Cassel's the guy.

Originally Posted by Chief3188 (Post 5573665)

Of course I believe that Cassell will be the starter but to say he is for sure is proclaiming a knowledge of the unknown. If the team Haley was on went with Warner over their heavily invested 1st round draft pick Lienart I don't think it is inconceivable that if Thigpen shows more than Cassell that he could have that position as unlikely as it may seem.

Originally Posted by Chief3188 (Post 5573554)

Or tailored around the strengths of Thigpens Oline which was playing like a bunch of cardboard pop ups until they did go to the spread ie basically the same thing that Cassell spent the majority of his time in.

I do like Cassell's prototypical size over Thigpen though and hopefully that will allow us to play more out of Center with him as the starter.

As for Thigpen he was in a program at Coastal Carolina that had literally just began the year before he entered. Cassell has had better coaching, better QB's to learn from and better surrounding casts everywhere he has been.

Originally Posted by Chief3188 (Post 5573665)

If the team Haley was on went with Warner over their heavily invested 1st round draft pick Lienart I don't think it is inconceivable that if Thigpen shows more than Cassell that he could have that position as unlikely as it may seem.

Personally I don't have any favortism to either QB and I just want the guy who will turn out the best to be our starter.

Originally Posted by Delano (Post 5573668)

Thigpen does nothing better than Cassell. Well... maybe skeleton ****ing, but I bet Cassell would win a skeleton ****ing contest if he tried.

Warner did things that Leinart could not.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 5573700)

The situations couldn't be more different. Wisenhunt didn't draft Leinart, he inherited him. The franchise had an investment in Leinart, but the coaching staff certainly never did, not in 2007 or 2008. Because he wasn't their guy; he was Dennis Green's.

As for the Chiefs, they don't make that move if there's any question about who's going to be the starter come September. This isn't rookie versus veteran, they have a season of NFL tape on both guys. They made their choice, they chose their guy, and it's Cassel.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5573736)

Good God, advocating for Thigpen. Just goes to show you how starved we've been for a franchise QB...

Originally Posted by Chief3188 (Post 5574328)

Or they chose to risk a 2nd round pick rather than a 1st round for an even bigger risk from Stafford or Sanchez and decided to provide real competition to the most important position on a football team kind of like the Patriots like to do at every position on their roster???

Originally Posted by Chief3188 (Post 5574334)

Loosely translated " Oez my good gosh someone has an opinion that does not 100% measure up with mine so this just goes to show how stupid people are for not knowing the future like I so obviously do since I am the end all on all subjects related to the game known as football "

Get over yourself buddy.

Originally Posted by Chief3188 (Post 5574334)

Loosely translated " Oez my good gosh someone has an opinion that does not 100% measure up with mine so this just goes to show how stupid people are for not knowing the future like I so obviously do since I am the end all on all subjects related to the game known as football "

Get over yourself buddy.

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5574351)

What you presented was a bunch of bullshit.

It doesn't take a ****ing rocket scientist to understand the future direction.

The Chiefs new regime looked over every game Thigpen played. They decided that it would be in their best interest to fork over a 2nd round pick as well as a 14 million dollar contract to get Matt Cassel over developing Tyler Thigpen. They saw what I saw - a QB who made questionable decisions, struggled wtih accuracy over 10 yards, and someone who needs an offense tailor made to suit him.

If you can't read the tea leaves as to what that says about Thigpen, then I don't know what to tell you.

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 5574371)

Why can't Thigpen just be what he is?

Why isn't it good enough to have a really promising 3rd string QB that overachieved?

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5574351)

What you presented was a bunch of bullshit.

It doesn't take a ****ing rocket scientist to understand the future direction.

The Chiefs new regime looked over every game Thigpen played. They decided that it would be in their best interest to fork over a 2nd round pick as well as a 14 million dollar contract to get Matt Cassel over developing Tyler Thigpen. They saw what I saw - a QB who made questionable decisions, struggled wtih accuracy over 10 yards, and someone who needs an offense tailor made to suit him.

If you can't read the tea leaves as to what that says about Thigpen, then I don't know what to tell you.

Originally Posted by Chief3188 (Post 5574433)

Or they saw they needed to provide competition at the position as they would have to give up just as much if not more by drafting Stafford or Sanchez at pick number 3. There are other options and other things that could have happened with that move. It's not like we didn't have 58 million in cap space and didn't make a huge splash in the 1st day of FA with some big name talent to spend some of that cash right? Think outside of the box now and then and realize there is always more than one way things could have gone behind closed doors that you had no key too.

What you are saying is the more likely scenario and I have said that over and over in this thread but just because it seems to be the cool trend around here to say Thigpen is nothing and treat that opinion as a fact dismissing other opinions on the subject as arrogantly as possible does not make all the message board know it alls right.

Again like I have been saying I don't care who steps up to the plate as long as they hit the grand slam and give our team what it has not had since Len Dawson and that is a true franchise QB of our own that is not just another recycled veteran with only a few years left in him.

Originally Posted by Chief3188 (Post 5574328)

Or they chose to risk a 2nd round pick rather than a 1st round for an even bigger risk from Stafford or Sanchez and decided to provide real competition to the most important position on a football team kind of like the Patriots like to do at every position on their roster???

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5574377)

I'm fine with Thigpen holding a clipboard and running a scout offense every weekday.

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 5574452)

I think he was an excellent 3rd QB last year. If you can find an example of a 3rd QB doing better I'd love to see it.

And that after the NFL equivalent of being raised by wolves.

I can't think of anything else to say to Croyle other than the tampax 'er in the mail and that the biggest play you ever made was on yer' wedding day.

I'm happy dumping Croyle and hoping that a spread-dog can learn new tricks...