Cassel or Sanchez?
 

I realize that we are where we are, but the more I see about Sanchez, the more I'm afraid that a few years down the road, we may look back and realize that we passed up on the franchise guy that we've been looking for. I know that Cassel played ok last year, but is he a franchise guy? ...likely not. Thoughts?

I bet that there hasn't been any discussion on this subject at all in the last month.

And we're off!

Well, you can pass on it if you'd like.

Nah

I realize that this has probably been chewed to pieces. I've always been in favor of going with the guy who has NFL experience...... Kinda rolled my eyes at the guys posting about the great hope of any draft quarterbacks. I've just had my mind changed.

Stafford over both. Between the two I'm really torn. Cassel is not a franchise guy and has less potential of developing into one, but sanchez has the potential I'm just not sure about him yet.

Cassel.

He won 11 NFL games. ;)

Finally a real comment thanks. Just curious if anybody else had some of the same thoughts. Mayock to me was crazy accurate on Cutler and several others. He is saying crazy stuff about Sanchez' arm, pocket presence, footwork..."tremendous set skills"...all that.

Gee, I was hoping someone would start a thread about this

Based off only your assumptions pal. It seems to me that we need to see Cassel play another year (In a Chiefs uni) before we can evaluate him.

Cassell because of his wealth of experience in a difficult situation in which to succeed.

Furthermore, he likely gives us the best opportunity to win now. Add a leader to the defense, maybe an interior LB, and we're cooking with some serious gas.

Of course, we need another one of our offensive weapons to develop. Maybe Darling...

Cassel. Is it possible he was just a product of the system?

No one is responding because this argument occurs pretty much daily. The posters that would rather have Sanchez, of which I am one, are the vocal minority.

Well of course yes, however with ONLY a second round pick at stake I'm willing to take the chance.

THIS.

Yes...

That's kinda the reason that I'm chiming in new about this.....I'm converting to the minority and wanted to talk about it again. I don't care if there are three of us who respond..

LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO

You do understand he was making a tongue in cheek post right?

Yea wise ass....

I think it's pretty simple, anyone who takes time to watch Sanchez and learn about him will love the guy. He has everything you look for in a QB in the intangibles area, he's as sound as they come with his mechanics and quick release and feet..

The only arguments against him are "he's short" and " he started 16 games" and of course for anyone that watched him play he doesn't remotely look like a 1 year starter.

That's a good point. I'm not unhappy with Cassel....maybe a little indifferent until he proves himself. But I wasn't convinced about Sanchez either, only starting one year in college, then being touted as this incredible skill set dude. But I've got to see more stuff on this guy lately and think that he may be one of those freak Brady, Manning type guys who very likely may fall to Denver....Again..

I don't know.

I think we should take a LT cause then we'd have two potential pro bowl LTs and have the best O-Line in the league.

Can't have enough pro bowl LTs.

Also a winning philosophy.

You MUST build the line before doing anything else.

Not at all my friend. I feel that Cassel will be an ok QB in the league, not a franchise player. If you feel that there is a franchise QB when you pick in the draft you take them. Stafford would be a way to remove all doubt with me, but I'd more than likely take Sanchez over Cassel at this point. Next year's QB class will be full of spread QB's that will take more time to transition to the NFL. If you have any doubt about Cassel at all, you take a QB.

If Sanchez becomes a franchise QB and Cassel is just ok everyone will have gladly given up both the 1st and 2nd round pick to have the franchise guy...

The picks for QB are not important to me, a franchise QB is worth more than anything. I'd rather have a franchise QB than a good QB and a OLB.

Don't forget you need a crazy athletic ILB for our new 3-4. One that will turn our defense around overnight!

I've thought for a long time he would be Derek Anderson....

I for one would welcome a Sanchez pic. I have a feeling that without a premium OL Cassel will not be in KC what he was in NE.

I told everyone last year that the Browns needed to trade Anderson while his value was high and turn it over to Brady. I feel the same way about him as I do about Cassel. He can be a good QB in the league, he just won't be a great one. Would make sense for a team like the Vikes.

Cassel hands down over Sanchez. I like what Cassel brings to the table. He has the skillset to become a star in this league. His mechanics are very good, and he is chomping at the bit to be a starting QB. Anyone that doubts Cassel's ability to lead a team...pull up the game on NFL.com right after his Dad had just died. He is a leader, and a gamer in the most drastic of circumstances. Brett Favre's highlights after his Dad died are still being played over and over again on NFL Network. No mention of Cassel's play...

Sanchez has a lot of potential, but his one year of experience, and the fact that he couldn't put John David Booty on the bench scares me.

A month or so ago, you would have been killed if you talked about drafting Sanchez at #3. Now because of a good Pro Day, and some very likeable answers, he seems to be a hot commodity.

Not to mention Randy Moss and Wes Welker

Two pro bowl LTs or a crazy athletic ILB that doesn't rush the QB.

Oh, how will we ever choose between them?

ROFL

A month or so ago just as many people wanted to draft Sanchez.

You can't go wrong either way we get a Pro bowler at a position of need.

I'm just going to through this out there, Cassel didn't have a good Oline last year.

Matt Cassel played TE his senior year isn't that a bit scary....

I don't see any star potential there, I see league average QB.

And no offense or anything but Mark Sanchez has better mechanics and a much quicker release. And there are several of us that talked about Sanchez at 3 much much longer than a month ago.

Some of us have been advocating Sanchez for like three months. Back then, those that were disagreeing were Thiggy supporters.

I don't really agree with this...Cassel gets sacked alot because he holds onto the ball to long.

I'm a total believer in the O-line priority. I think Trent Green was good, but sometimes great behind our line 4 years ago, as was LJ. I think that Cassel could probably be very good behind a stout line. I'm more in favor of building the line through free agency though if possible.

Those of us that were pimping Sanchez as the #3 pick a month ago were being roundly critisized.

I still would pick him at #3 now.

I have a question for the guys who don't want to draft Curry, who do you favor? Smith/Monroe or Curry if you had to choose? I personally would lean towards the premier LT... I would also rather move one of the best OG prospects to ever come out back to OG rather than RT.

not scary to me, shows what an athlete he is, and shows he's got a competitive streak. he saw that he couldnt beat out leinart(fair or not) and wanted to play. shows his character IMO

I tend to agree with this...how does it go from one of the best lines in the league when Brady is running things then it's not good at all when Cassel takes over?

I would too, unless you are 100% certain that Cassel is going to be a franchise guy you can't pass in this position. It's not a good top 5 he's one of the few players worth it and it's at that position.

his o-line didnt do him ant favors. all you have to do is watch the games

Plus they resorted to putting him in shotgun quite often, if you look at his splits his under center numbers are pretty poor..

There were some issues with his line but he also held the ball to long. The guy does not setup and pump it out quickly by any degree.

uuummmmmm different year, remember in brady's ONLY game WE(the team with the least amount of sacks EVER) got to him

Injurys.

Happens to most young QB's.

i'm a thigpen supporter, but i wanted sanchez more than a month ago. now the "value" is better with a VERY comparable guy at #34 than #3

So you're in favor of having a Guard with a #15 overall contract? That is a savage misallocation of resources.

Our DLine didn't look bad against the Patriots at all, with and without Brady... but I'm sure that was a fluke :rolleyes:

**** you and **** your mother for not swallowing.

Their line wasn't great by any means, but they weren't absolutely piss poor like some make them out to be. Cassel made them look much worse imo

You realize there are OG's not as good as Albert making more than that right? The #15 pick isn't a crazy amount of money like you seem to believe...

i've watched most of the games. MANY times he had to step up when his back foot hit the ground

Every young QB does that... but whos making it out to be piss poor?

worry about that 2nd contract

That would be a major Quarterback controversy immediately.

By the way, has anybody said anything about Croyle? Released....2nd string, re-negotiate contract? anything?

Cassel

I remember when we'd argue that Trent Green held the ball to long and there would always be some that would dispute it because he didn't get hit much...

As far as Cassel goes...

Pioli and McDaniels both obviously think pretty highly of the guy. And they are two of the guys who should know him best. The fact that they both wanted him is a good sign, IMO.

I'm more than willing to trust their judgment.

THIS

For asking if you would rather have Curry or a LT?

How many of those teams are then also paying an LT top 3 money on top of that?

The one that will be smaller if hes been playing OG by that time?

He'll break his vagina in camp.

There's no controversy...everyone knows you aren't keeping both of them. You decide right there do you flip Cassel right then to one of the QB hungry teams and turn your 34 into a 1st rounder plus maybe more...do you keep both of them for the year and decide after..Cassel is on a 1 year deal...

The only way you get no value is if you keep both Cassel totally blows and Sanchez is the guy next year. Even then you look smart because you protected yourself.

probably most of them, the issue arises when he gets to the 2nd contract he will still WANT LT money

How many teams are the same?

he's played VERY WELL at LT he will want to be PAID like a LT

That was mainly a shot at a friend of mine when we had this convo. He pretty much put Cassel's high sack number on NE's "piss poor" line. He reads the board but doesn't post, maybe he'll man up and reply. I'd say they had an average line though.

Or it's that they're from the Belichick/Parcells style of thinking which prefers guys they personally like and are familiar with over anything else.

For seriously suggesting LT at all.

God damn it, we have a franchise LT.

Why the hell does anyone think we need another?

Seriously, why?

parcells took bledsoe #1

Our fan base is so ridiculously Oline obsessed. The only way anyone could realistically suggest to me taking an OT would be if the Chiefs somehow traded down twice and picked like 15th and got a ton of picks doing it.

You really think hes going to hold a grudge and want paid like a LT when hes been playing OG for the last four years(at that time)? If hes a little bitch like that he should be traded then, but I don't see that happening. I think this is just a lame excuse people are making up. Especially if Pioli/Haley make the Chiefs into a winning team by then... he would be willing to stick around for less unless everyone in the locker room hates him for some reason...