I'll come out and say it: this was a good draft.
This draft did not make the most sense out of what we COULD have done.
But think of what we accomplished:
There are other reasons out there but we will hear them as the thread winds on. Good first draft by Pioli. |
I'll come out and say it:
You should have your head examined. I'm convinced you've taken a serious fall, been in a car accident, something - you've not been your normal self the past couple of weeks. |
Direck is this your attention whore thread. Last year you went apeshit on that draft.
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I don't think we'll know for a while. Take the last two drafts, while people were relatively pleased with the results of those after draft day, we've only won 6 games in that timespan. I'm not going to say this was a good or bad draft at this time. We have to see if these guys become building blocks for this team to be a winner, and that's going to take time. I like that they seem to have roles in mind for these guys, but I am actually more curious as to how our existing players are going to shake out on this team, especially Dorsey and Hali...
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I don't even think Magee is better than Gilbert my thought is we had the choice and took the wrong one. |
I'll come out and say it...look for your cheerios to pissed in all season.
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Direc likes to be different I think, he ripped on last years draft and now likes this one...
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Just wakin in the morning, gotta thank god.
I don't know but today seems kinda odd No barkin from the dog, and no smog And mama cooked the breakfast with no hog |
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The thing I really like about Magee is this...watch his feet...dude never gives up. |
What was it you gave our day one last year? A C-?
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"Inconsistent...Bit of a classic 'tweener...Needs to be more physical and aggressive...Doesn't use his hands well...Has some trouble shedding blocks...Needs to use better leverage...Not a great technician...Motor runs hot and cold...Immature ?...Did not always face elite competition."
But to tell you the truth I think I was thinking of Sidbury, I have no idea why I get those names mixed up. |
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This draft was not what I wanted ideally. But it makes a great degree of sense, for a series of clear reasons. |
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C+...I'm sorry.
I love the Chiefs, but I hated what we did our first day. You can't criticize us in terms of value or talent -- we ended up with three of the most talented players from this weekend altogether. Dorsey was a brilliant pick, and probably the best possible option we could have had. But Albert is completely unproven at tackle. Guard is an awful position to Draft nonetheless. Giving up two picks for him seemed like a disasterous decision. Flowers is incredibly talented but he's got so many character concerns my brain is exploding. Here's hoping we continue drafting talented players. But here's hoping we avoid some of the sloppy decisioin making from an absolutely zany day one. |
I'm not complaining about it.
Frankly, I don't know much about most of the picks, but I swore 5 years before Carl was ousted that if he were gone, I wouldn't question the new regime. I'm trusting the new staff....I'll take their word for it at this point and will begin judging them once the preseason and games start. It will probably take a couple of years before I know how I feel about the draft. I might have thought I wanted some different players, but I wasn't watching film, or with the scouts and and and. In Pioli I trust (for now). |
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Turns out the first day landed us two studs, with Dorsey still developing. The second day mostly went bankrupt. So it does show you what I know -- but I'm consistent, at least. |
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I'm not going to trust Direcks draft thoughts he likes this draft and hated last years especially Albert....that doesn't make any logical sense.
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This worries me.
Is he the Mush of draft evaluations? I'm hopeful the sample size is too small. |
My opinion Donald Washington is the only pick that was good value.
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Edit: by the way, how did Matt Ryan turn out? |
i agree Direckshun. It wasnt flashy but at the same time we didnt only do what the media wanted. I think most are mad b/c the media isnt riding Pioli's jock giving the draft an "A" grade. Only reason to be dissapointed is b/c we could of filled other holes at certain picks but if you had faith in the new F.O. before all of this then you should still have it. again we ARENT DENVER OR OAKLAND!
we all went into the weekend knowing that Scott and Todd arent looking for the flavor of the moment. players who fit there scheme is all they have said. I think they stuck to there guns and im ok with it. for those unhappy folks, try going back to previous drafts where CP probably created his draft card from the latest Kiper mocks.... :shake: Another thing is people need to stop crying over Dorsey. he was top of his class for that position and has shown no reason that he wont get better. especially now that the GUN isnt calling the shots for cover 2... oh and ... Shawnee Mission North High School Football RULES! :clap: |
After time passes, drafts are not evaluated on who was a "reach" and who was "great value" at that spot. Years down the road they're only evaluated on whether or not these guys can play.
We'll see how many of them can play. |
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He can't hit me with that because I liked Matt Ryan...
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Pretty good, considering he recorded Rock Me Amadeus. |
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I can understand that to a certain degree, because nobody cares when you get stuff right, and draft opinions are inherently "gotcha!"-inviting. I mean, I was right about a bunch of shit that everybody else was wrong about, too, but nobody gives a shit about that. They want to peg me for the many things I get wrong rather than the many things I get right. That's the necessary evil, and I embrace it rather than shirk it. I hated our first day last year, other than Dorsey. I loved our second day. I really like this draft this year. We'll see if I'm remotely correct. |
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I like our draft. I don't know a ton about the folks we drafted, but this draft has a very different feel to it than any I remember under Carl.
I would have rather drafted Sanchez and taken Maualuga or someone different at 2, but I don't see much sense in complaining about it now. Our GM has really hitched his train to Cassel, I'd imagine he knew that before he traded for him. My guess is a few years from now people will look back at this draft as a very important one that got us several key building blocks. |
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I never believed Dorsey fit the 3-4, unless we stuck with a hybrid version or go occasionally with pure rush packages like the Cards did with Dockett. Dorsey cannot be our full-time NT. Raji has all the tools, however generic it is to say that. For me, from the Pioli point of view it was Raji vs. Jackson. It's possible he liked Raji more, but considering we've already spent high picks on DT (Tank, Dorsey), he figured he might give them a shot and opt for Jackson since we really only have one player that made any sense as a 3-4 DE (McBride). I'd been rooting for Raji for months. |
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I think the Chiefs offseason in 4 years will be looked back on with a vile feeling.
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No this was a terrible draft, nuff said
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This draft (like most others) will have minimal impact on the totality of the football team Pioli is trying to build. We may (with the emphasis on "may") have acquired 2 or 3 players who will be contributing to the Chiefs 3 years from now. Odds are we added less than 10 percent to our starting squad in 2011. Of course, other than perhaps the Bengals, the same can be said about every other franchise's draft. Still, the Chiefs have a proven legacy of crappy drafts. Surely, Pioli can do no worse than we've done over the last 2 decades.
Of interest to me is whether or not Pioli selected players that meet his "criteria" (big, strong, fast, and smart). I know we got a couple of big guys. We'll find out about the rest as they develop. Meanwhile, of greater concern to me is whether or not peeps like Cassel, Dorsey, Bowe, DJ, and several other Chiefs who have the potential to be successful, impact players bring it over the next few years. Also, we'd better get damn busy finding some offensive linemen somewhere. Like the famous, old Belgium proverb says, "A one-legged chicken walks darn funny and it seems like it takes one forever to cross the yard." FAX |
It was arright.
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or "you cant build a mansion on stilts" ;) |
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I'll come out and say it:
Scott Pioli started as assistant of player personnel for the New England Patriots in 2000. He was then promoted to director of player personnel, then promoted to VP of player personnel. New England has been four Super Bowls in that time. He knows more any stupid bastard posting on this board draft weekend even if in some grand illusion you somehow think your more qualified or even capable of holding his jock strap. Hammas, you're the master of inventiing the illusion of knowledge, surely you can grant these people some insight on how to live the lie more effectively. Carry on, have fun. Some of us have work tomorrow. |
That coordinator had a ring too..
Lets remember this when we act like Pioli's rings give him this almighty unquestionable say. |
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The problem was that he didn't terminate his employment when he should have. |
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What a dreadful collection of sad sacks on this board tonight. Here's the cry of the typical CP nutless wonder:
1. Draft sucked 2. I'm not going to bow down to Pioli and nobody can make me 3. I've been right before, just try and track down my old predictions 4. Every round was a reach 5. When the Chiefs DO get good again, I'll be the guy who said, "I told you so...!" 6. ...until then, I'm the guy who is telling you, "I told you so...!" 7. In the meantime, what worthless FAs are we getting (why bother asking...they will all just suck). 8. Pioli is really no better than King Carl The list could go on and on, but why bother? I'm convinced that KC was going to get blasted no matter who they chose over the weekend. Frankly, I have no idea if any of these guys are going to pan out. However, Pioli has credibility...dude has been there and done that. He has the rings to show that he knows what he is doing. That doesn't make him perfect or infallible, but it does give him a pass in my book. I am more than willing to give this man the benefit of the doubt when it comes to talent evaluation...he has earned that much. If you don't agree, fine. But really...stop and think about it. Why do any of us think they know more than Scott Freaking Pioli? |
Scott Pioli is getting absolutely ripped on by just about everyone who isn't a Chiefs fan from what I've seen...
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Mecca, do you count Cassell as part of this draft or not? I think you have to, and I don't recall ANYBODY credible ripping Pioli when that trade was made. I've seen a couple of B grades for the balance of the draft this year...not exactly a scathing grade.
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They are putting Matt Cassel in a position to fail, I don't think that is a good thing. |
Are you sure that you're a Chiefs fan at this point? Serious question. If everything they are trying to do is so bad, why continue? It can't ALL be that bad, can it?
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I don't think it's a good draft no matter who was doing the picking. I think we left alot of value on the board. The draft had alot of depth at OL TE and WR, so we proceeded to take a bunch of defenders in what was acknowledged as a weak defensive year. I understand they think it's a great idea to shoehorn in this defensive scheme and all but um they just traded for Cassel and said he's the guy. If you're going to do that you have to give him enough to let him have a chance. We didn't upgrade our putrid OL and we didn't get him anyone else to throw to after trading Gonzalez, it's just begging for him to fail. I don't think it was fair to Matt Cassel he doesn't deserve to get his brains beat in or get injured but the front office may after what they did to him over the course of this weekend. |
I love the pessimism.
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How is that pessimism?
I would tell you the Lions should be questioned for doing the exact same thing. |
I am not by any means a scholar of football either as a player or armchair coach and I think we did pretty well.
I do believe we should be ready to cue the Benny Hill music when our D takes the field if the coaching staff/DC can't get the scheme in line over the next 4 months. But consider how many blown leads we had...games given up in the 4th quarter...maybe D was more important than O. Again, we have needs all over the place on both sides of the ball. I remember after NE won their first super bowl, the mainstream were touting Tom Brady as the hero but the sports press acknowledged that they were a team of few superstars, just really balanced - everyone working together the same. I'll rest assured on that information rather than the "this guy should have gone later" and "They reached for that guy" armchair GMs. |
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They are ripping Al Davis, they are even ripping the Broncos for trading away next year's first round pick. Don't see them ripping Pioli. |
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I am fine with Tyson Jackson. I wish they could have traded back and got him, but I don't they could have. I don't think the Jets gave them the same offer, but if they did, I don't think that he would have been on the board at 17. Magee and Washington were both value picks. After this draft, the Chiefs defensive line should be solid. The Chiefs have versatility and quality along their defensive front. Dorsey can play end or NT in the 3-4. Jackson, Boone, and Magee can all play inside or outside. Edwards and Tank Tyler are the 1st/2nd down NT's. The Chiefs have a ton of options up front now. I don't see this as a bad thing. As far as Cassel goes, sometimes the most help you can give a young QB is a defense that will take the pressure off of him. Honestely, I think Curry would have made a bigger impact. I would have rather had Curry. If not Curry, I would have preferred a trade back. With that said, Jackson plays a position that is harder to fill. |
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Cassel's former GM AND former offensive coordinator both really wanted this kid. In fact, McDaniel so love the Cassel, that he sent Denver's only QB son to Chicago. Doesn't this give this guy any pause about ripping Cassel? Hey, we all have opinions, but every once in a while, we all have to realize that we don't know it all, and we will make mistakes. I just think that you have to look at things like that and wonder... 'what could I be missing'.... rather than these two guys are BOTH idiots. Anyways, always like to see all sides, so thanks for pointing it out. |
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I'd think you'd know a fallacy when you see one. When you have ARGUMENTS, you'll fit into this thread. "But a lot of people thinks this sucks" is not an argument. |
I don't have any problem at all with Jackson. A good pick for the new Chief 3-4 system.
My problem was with Magee. Dorsey is already slotted to play DE and Jackson certainly is going to be the other DE. So we use a 3rd round pick for a backup DE when we have many other holes to fill. I don't get it. How about a OL or LB with this pick. TE or WR was a huge need as well in my opinion. You go out an make a great trade to get Cassel and then trade his All-PRO TE away. Teams are going to double Bowe all day now and Cassel is going to be running for his life. I totally do not understand making sure Cassel has the weapons to be sucessful. Maybe there is another deal left to be made, but at this point the 3rd round pick really leave Pioli with a blackeye in my opinion. |
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