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teedubya 05-02-2009 10:22 AM

Kansas City Royals @ Minnesota Twins Game Thread (5/2)
 
Game 2 of 3 game series.

Bannister vs. LHP Glen Perkins

6:10pm CST Fox Sports KC

We SUCK in Minnesota for some reason, but hopefully "Banny" gets it together...

Nzoner 05-02-2009 10:24 AM

Would you fockers please let alnorth do his thing!!

teedubya 05-02-2009 10:27 AM

Why do I gots to be a focker? You Focker!

This is my first Royals game thread, so eat a dick, Joe. :-P

DeezNutz 05-02-2009 10:28 AM

All you fockers just keep quiet. There's serious banter going on in here.

Nzoner 05-02-2009 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ari Chi3fs (Post 5733519)
Why do I gots to be a focker? You Focker!

This is my first Royals game thread, so eat a dick, Joe. :-P

If they lose it best be your last :D

Delano 05-02-2009 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ari Chi3fs (Post 5733510)
We SUCK in Minnesota for some reason

:hmmm:

Nzoner 05-02-2009 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delano (Post 5733530)
:hmmm:

Yeah if you read his first few posts he seems to have dick on his mind

teedubya 05-02-2009 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delano (Post 5733530)
:hmmm:

They said we were something like 5-43 in MINN the last few years or something ASSININE like that...

So, Im helping Alnorth keep his streak going! heh

teedubya 05-02-2009 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nzoner (Post 5733533)
Yeah if you read his first few posts he seems to have dick on his mind

heh, ya bastard! Im so not flushing next time I come up to your place.

CoMoChief 05-02-2009 10:39 AM

I'm still waiting the day we get rid of Ponson and Farnsworth.

This shit of "well he didn't have his stuff tonite" has happened about 8 times already.

KC should be about 15-6 now.

Mama Hip Rockets 05-02-2009 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5733546)
I'm still waiting the day we get rid of Ponson and Farnsworth.

This shit of "well he didn't have his stuff tonite" has happened about 8 times already.

KC should be about 15-6 now.

agreed. every sensible person in america knew from the start that ponson and farnsworthless were terrible signings. i don't know why the royals organization thought any differently.

eazyb81 05-02-2009 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 5733596)
agreed. every sensible person in america knew from the start that ponson and farnsworthless were terrible signings. i don't know why the royals organization thought any differently.

Most teams have shitty 5th starters, and Ponson is just keeping the spot warm until Hochevar comes up.

By keeping Hochevar in the minors through the first month, we get to keep him an extra year. I'll take a few spots from Ponson for that.

Kraus 05-02-2009 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 5733596)
agreed. every sensible person in america knew from the start that ponson and farnsworthless were terrible signings. i don't know why the royals organization thought any differently.

The two of them account for our 7 of our 11 losses... hopefully we dump them soon.

DeezNutz 05-02-2009 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5733611)
Most teams have shitty 5th starters, and Ponson is just keeping the spot warm until Hochevar comes up.

By keeping Hochevar in the minors through the first month, we get to keep him an extra year. I'll take a few spots from Ponson for that.

Kid hasn't done anything yet to make the "keep him another year" thing make any sense. If the organization was worried about this, a better approach would be to sign him to an extension, since it's likely that he'll never be cheaper.

Not all of Ponson's starts have been terrible, but if the team really sacrificed four games for the bottom line, I can't think of anything more chickenshit. That's old school Royals bullshit there.

tk13 05-02-2009 12:01 PM

I think Ponson has been better than expected, certainly not Scott Elarton bad. Going into last night he was a fine 5th starter, now his numbers look bad. He's had three decent starts and two bad ones.

CoMoChief 05-02-2009 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5733611)
Most teams have shitty 5th starters, and Ponson is just keeping the spot warm until Hochevar comes up.

By keeping Hochevar in the minors through the first month, we get to keep him an extra year. I'll take a few spots from Ponson for that.

The trouble is we can't afford to just keep losing everytime our 5th guy comes to the mound, or late in the game when the game is close and its time for our worthless set up man to come out and serve up meat balls to the other team. We cant bat ourselves Wins. We need to pitch extremely well and play small ball. We have very limited consistant power from just a few players at most.

If we want to seriously become contenders (yes I said it) we need to make the move that makes the most sense........get rid of Farnsworth and Ponson. I cant even imagine what the Royals team ERA would be without those 2 clowns.



I dunno, I just ****in hate Farnsworth, my other half as a Cubs fan, I ****ing hated this guy when he was in Chicago. I almost had to pull my car over when I listed to 610 the day we signed this piece of shit and for how much we signed him for. I can't believe that the "baseball minds" we have in the front office would even think of signing this guy when avg Joe baseball fan knows that he's a complete train wreck as a pitcher. Jesus.
What a complete waste of a signing.

I'm too hard on Ponson, he's had some good and some really terrible outings, but thats the thing .....hes terribly inconsistant. Always has been. Everywhere he goes, doesn't matter. In NYY he had a 5+ ERA. I dont care if its a 5th starter or a 8th starter in little league thats just ****ing terrible. The only reason why I'm not too pissed about it is because of the little money he's making. He's on a minor league contract, which means that A: No one else wanted his ass, because he agreed to sign with one of the worse clubs in MLB for a min deal.

Hochevar needs to be brought up......period.

DeezNutz 05-02-2009 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 5733667)
I think Ponson has been better than expected, certainly not Scott Elarton bad. Going into last night he was a fine 5th starter, now his numbers look bad. He's had three decent starts and two bad ones.

The guy who was signed to be our ace bad. :shake:

Prior to the last couple of years, this ****ing franchise...

eazyb81 05-02-2009 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5733648)
Kid hasn't done anything yet to make the "keep him another year" thing make any sense. If the organization was worried about this, a better approach would be to sign him to an extension, since it's likely that he'll never be cheaper.

Not all of Ponson's starts have been terrible, but if the team really sacrificed four games for the bottom line, I can't think of anything more chickenshit. That's old school Royals bullshit there.

Not sure what you're trying to say with the first part. I think it's common sense to trade one month of Hochevar at 24 years old for an extra year when he's in his prime in his late twenties. He hasn't done nearly enough to warrant an extension; hell, we just gave Greinke an extension after a year with a sub 4 ERA.

There's just no reason to push him up here right now. Just let him continue to improve and gain confidence, and hopefully he'll be ready to contribute meaningfully this summer. It's not focusing on the bottom line - it's being patient with players and not rushing them. THAT is old school Royals bullshit.

DeezNutz 05-02-2009 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5733705)
Not sure what you're trying to say with the first part. I think it's common sense to trade one month of Hochevar at 24 years old for an extra year when he's in his prime in his late twenties. He hasn't done nearly enough to warrant an extension; hell, we just gave Greinke an extension after a year with a sub 4 ERA.

There's just no reason to push him up here right now. Just let him continue to improve and gain confidence, and hopefully he'll be ready to contribute meaningfully this summer. It's not focusing on the bottom line - it's being patient with players and not rushing them. THAT is old school Royals bullshit.

Rushing players was also part of the regular MO, so I also agree with your final sentence. Not sure if this was the case with Hoch, though. Of course, the reason players had to be rushed was that there were no viable alternatives at the ML level, primarily because Glass wasn't spending any money. So, it's a vicious cycle.

As a college pitcher with a year of semi-pro experience, Hochevar should have been ready to compete at the start of the season. Perhaps it will end up being the right move in the long term, but I have a hard time believing he didn't give the club the best chance to win.

Whatever, though. Water under the bridge, with the team still competitive and about to reap some practical value from the move. For the record, the team was late in getting that extension to Greinke, IMO.

Mama Hip Rockets 05-02-2009 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5733681)
The trouble is we can't afford to just keep losing everytime our 5th guy comes to the mound, or late in the game when the game is close and its time for our worthless set up man to come out and serve up meat balls to the other team. We cant bat ourselves Wins. We need to pitch extremely well and play small ball. We have very limited consistant power from just a few players at most.

If we want to seriously become contenders (yes I said it) we need to make the move that makes the most sense........get rid of Farnsworth and Ponson. I cant even imagine what the Royals team ERA would be without those 2 clowns.

I dunno, I just ****in hate Farnsworth, my other half as a Cubs fan, I ****ing hated this guy when he was in Chicago. I almost had to pull my car over when I listed to 610 the day we signed this piece of shit and for how much we signed him for. I can't believe that the "baseball minds" we have in the front office would even think of signing this guy when avg Joe baseball fan knows that he's a complete train wreck as a pitcher. Jesus.
What a complete waste of a signing.

I'm too hard on Ponson, he's had some good and some really terrible outings, but thats the thing .....hes terribly inconsistant. Always has been. Everywhere he goes, doesn't matter. In NYY he had a 5+ ERA. I dont care if its a 5th starter or a 8th starter in little league thats just ****ing terrible. The only reason why I'm not too pissed about it is because of the little money he's making. He's on a minor league contract, which means that A: No one else wanted his ass, because he agreed to sign with one of the worse clubs in MLB for a min deal.

Hochevar needs to be brought up......period.

winner.

Mama Hip Rockets 05-02-2009 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5733705)
I think it's common sense to trade one month of Hochevar at 24 years old for an extra year when he's in his prime in his late twenties.

i guess i don't have any common sense, cause i have no idea how keeping him in AAA gives him an extra year in his late twenties. please explain.

DeezNutz 05-02-2009 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5733681)
he agreed to sign with one of the worse clubs in MLB.

Not any more.

DeezNutz 05-02-2009 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 5733727)
i guess i don't have any common sense, cause i have no idea how keeping him in AAA gives him an extra year in his late twenties. please explain.

It has to do with his ML service time, and thus the club's ability to stretch out the time before he hits arbitration and FA.

Mama Hip Rockets 05-02-2009 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5733730)
It has to do with his ML service time, and thus the club's ability to stretch out the time before he hits arbitration and FA.

thanks for the explanation.

that does not justify having sidney ponson in the major leagues, though.

alnorth 05-02-2009 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 5733736)
thanks for the explanation.

that does not justify having sidney ponson in the major leagues, though.

considering that we are now talking about 1 week, maybe it does. Or at least we need to start someone other than Hochevar.

If we wanted to not care about service time, then he needed to start at the beginning of the season. At this point we are committed and would be stupid to bring him up before the magic date.

In poker tournament terms, this would be like if you had a middle pair of sevens on the flop, someone raised you, you re-raised 95% of what you got, and they called. Maybe you shouldnt have done that, but you cant fold now.

Chief Chief 05-02-2009 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 5733749)
In poker tournament terms, this would be like if you had a middle pair of sevens on the flop, someone raised you, you re-raised 95% of what you got, and they called. Maybe you shouldnt have done that, but you cant fold now.

But you would certainly also have to consider the quality of the opponent; i.e., are you facing off against a championship-caliber player or are you taking on a 5-year old who has never played poker before? Also, is the dealer shifty-eyed and keeps winking at your opponent? And what exactly are the two cards in your hand? Are they the other two sevens or could they possibly be a couple of Pokemon character cards?

KChiefs1 05-02-2009 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5733611)
Most teams have shitty 5th starters, and Ponson is just keeping the spot warm until Hochevar comes up.

By keeping Hochevar in the minors through the first month, we get to keep him an extra year. I'll take a few spots from Ponson for that.

Hochevar starts today for Omaha.
Might be worth keeping an eye on his pitch count, just in case the Royals are thinking about giving him Wednesday's start in KC.

SPATCH 05-02-2009 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 5733667)
I think Ponson has been better than expected, certainly not Scott Elarton bad. Going into last night he was a fine 5th starter, now his numbers look bad. He's had three decent starts and two bad ones.

you shall never speak of his name again

Bowser 05-02-2009 04:10 PM

Piss on the Twins. That is all.

Mama Hip Rockets 05-02-2009 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Chief (Post 5733844)
Are they the other two sevens or could they possibly be a couple of Pokemon character cards?

ROFL

Priest31kc 05-02-2009 04:34 PM

Ill miss most of the game, but im hoping Bannister can have another great performance tonight, that would be very encouraging.

chiefbowe82 05-02-2009 04:40 PM

why does ponson pitch so many games

Mama Hip Rockets 05-02-2009 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_CHIEFS_06 (Post 5734074)
why does ponson pitch so many games

because the royals are reeruned?

Mama Hip Rockets 05-02-2009 05:14 PM

leadoff double by coco, as usual.

DeezNutz 05-02-2009 05:14 PM

http://lollernet.com/pics/gif/roflcopter.gif

Mama Hip Rockets 05-02-2009 05:14 PM

bloomy attempts to bunt; fails.

bloomy proceeds to hit a single to right field.

DeezNutz 05-02-2009 05:15 PM

Small ball, foiled.

chiefbowe82 05-02-2009 05:15 PM

damnit butler

Mama Hip Rockets 05-02-2009 05:16 PM

billy hits into double play. coco scores from third. 1-0 royals.

Mama Hip Rockets 05-02-2009 05:17 PM

guillen is swinging the bat very well. hopefully this will last more than 2 days this time.

DeezNutz 05-02-2009 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 5734123)
guillen is swinging the bat very well. hopefully this will last more than 2 days this time.

He went on a torrid stretch last year. Lasted about 2 weeks, IIRC.

chiefbowe82 05-02-2009 05:18 PM

we should have got more out of that inning

Mama Hip Rockets 05-02-2009 05:18 PM

dammit, john suck sucks again.

Mama Hip Rockets 05-02-2009 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5734124)
He went on a torrid stretch last year. Lasted about 2 weeks, IIRC.

true. then he went on a very untorrid stretch for about 4 months.

DeezNutz 05-02-2009 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 5734128)
true. then he went on a very untorrid stretch for about 4 months.

Yep. He defines "streak hitter."

Part of that is because I think he's a mental midget and too much affects his game. From fans, to everything in between.

chiefbowe82 05-02-2009 05:21 PM

I'm calling it now no-hitter by bannister

Mama Hip Rockets 05-02-2009 05:21 PM

bloomy is so good at everything.

chiefbowe82 05-02-2009 05:22 PM

whats jimmy gobble up to these days

DeezNutz 05-02-2009 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 5734132)
bloomy is so good at everything.

Yeah, great, great hitter.

chiefbowe82 05-02-2009 05:24 PM

jesus david you can't see the ball?

Mama Hip Rockets 05-02-2009 05:24 PM

there is the royals' weekly popup misplay.

DeezNutz 05-02-2009 05:25 PM

Need the DP ball.

chiefbowe82 05-02-2009 05:25 PM

callaspo should have been there though, infielder has to haul after it, and outfielder has priority to call him off

DeezNutz 05-02-2009 05:26 PM

Beautiful.

chiefbowe82 05-02-2009 05:26 PM

and there is the double play, lets pretend nothing happened

Mama Hip Rockets 05-02-2009 05:26 PM

**** yeah. strike em out, throw em out.

Mama Hip Rockets 05-02-2009 05:27 PM

why is justin morneau pretending to be miguel olivo?

chiefbowe82 05-02-2009 05:29 PM

this is batting practice

DeezNutz 05-02-2009 05:29 PM

Hillman can't wait to call for the bunt...

Nightfyre 05-02-2009 05:30 PM

Callaspo with 10 doubles this year... that seems like a lot.

Mama Hip Rockets 05-02-2009 05:30 PM

alberto callaspo continues to dominate.

Lin Elliot 05-02-2009 05:30 PM

callaspo next guy to hit .400

Mr. Arrowhead 05-02-2009 05:30 PM

Callaspo has been a pleasant surprise so far this year

DeezNutz 05-02-2009 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5734152)
Hillman can't wait to call for the bunt...

That's why you don't ****ing make that call in the 2nd inning.

Hard hit ball gets the job done, but gives you a chance to score.

chiefbowe82 05-02-2009 05:32 PM

2-0 whats the run rule?

DeezNutz 05-02-2009 05:32 PM

Nice, Olivo with the single to CF. Scores the run.

Mama Hip Rockets 05-02-2009 05:32 PM

MIGGY!

Lin Elliot 05-02-2009 05:33 PM

Who are these hitters in Royals uniforms?

DeezNutz 05-02-2009 05:33 PM

All right.

1st and 2nd, 1 out. Coco at the plate.

chiefbowe82 05-02-2009 05:33 PM

they calling for their bullpen yet?

Mama Hip Rockets 05-02-2009 05:33 PM

what a stupid outfield. the ball bounces like they are playing on concrete.

chiefbowe82 05-02-2009 05:34 PM

i'm sensing a double play ball, probably won't be coco though

DeezNutz 05-02-2009 05:34 PM

Getting great swings on this dude.

Mama Hip Rockets 05-02-2009 05:35 PM

olivo and aviles finally starting to swing the bat better. they are both hitting at least .200 now!

chiefbowe82 05-02-2009 05:35 PM

and there is the double play

Mama Hip Rockets 05-02-2009 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_CHIEFS_06 (Post 5734169)
i'm sensing a double play ball, probably won't be coco though

WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS? :banghead:

chiefbowe82 05-02-2009 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 5734175)
WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS? :banghead:

haven't you come to expect it?

chiefbowe82 05-02-2009 05:37 PM

holy crap aviles

DeezNutz 05-02-2009 05:37 PM

****ing Aviles with the bad throw.

chiefbowe82 05-02-2009 05:41 PM

hey looking good kc


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