Windows 7 to be released October 22nd
 

According to windows7center.com....

Cool.

Windows 7.0.1 to be released on October 25th, to correct the 327 bugs and 54 security loopholes they find in five days. :D

So any word on if you can update Vista to 7 or am I going to have to buy an entirely different program?

NOTE: I am NOT suggesting that I will buy it soon.

Better an OS where the issues are openly discussed, than an OS that out and out lies to you and claims there are no virii nor security vulnerabilities.

Yea but when is Windows 7 with Plus package coming out?

It will be grossly overpriced as usual too.

Yep!
Probably charge for the service packs.

Less expensive than that crap Apple shills.

Depends on how you look at it.

You will be able to upgrade from Vista to Windows 7. From what i've read you will NOT be able to upgrade from Windows XP to Windows 7.

:spock:
If you look at it with your EYES, you will see that his statement is accurate. Apple is grossly overpriced. I know, I own two of them + an iPhone.

We're talking about software. Apple releases a new version every year for around $100. Microsoft releases a version every 2-4 years for $150+ (at least).

So, it depends on how you look at it.

I've been running the latest release candidate for about a month in a half now and I'm very pleased with 99.9% of what I've seen up to this point. I just wish the developers wouldn't feel the need to change the interfaces of some of the technical areas that your typical home user will never really touch.

I skipped right over Vista so I'll be purchasing Win7 upon release. One disappointing thing that I've read is if you're running the release candidate you won't be able to activate it by purchasing a serial number.

Instead you'll need to go out and buy copy of Win7 and reinstall everything a 2nd time. I don't understand this logic (I'm assuming it's to make copy protection more effective) but it kind of leaves the test users in limbo instead of being able jump in and get going.

From everything I've read, Windows 7 will cost you much more than the latest version of OS X. In fact, Dell has already released a statement saying they're concerned about the price and their ability to provide the new OS...

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10242555-64.html

Anybody happen to remember from past releases approximately when systems pre-loaded with the OS start showing up relative to the release date? I remember for a fact that we were selling XP systems at Staples at least a few weeks before it was technically released - but I can't remember how far in advance that was.

I've got a coworker who's in the market for a new PC, but he wants to wait to get 7 if it doesn't take too long.

I heard from a M$ employee today that you WILL be able to upgrade the RC to RTM. :shrug:
Conflicting reports.

So, in four years you spend $400 for Apple's new releases and $150 for Microsoft's. What am I missing?

Actually Apple releases a new OS a little over 2 years apart. This has been consistent for Apple's last 4 OS releases.

Microsoft has varied quite a bit more. Win98 to Win2000 was 2 years. Win2000 to WinXP was 1.5 years. Vista came 5+ years after XP. Win7 will come a little over 2 years after Vista.

Windows 2000 wasn't the Windows 98 successor.

I didn't say it was. Chronologically it doesn't matter.

My bad, got the numbers wrong. Point, I think, still stands. It depends on how you look at it.

wasn't that windows me


what a turd that was

I think he is referring to Windows 2000 Professional.

Apple software is still cheaper than M$ software.

No.

Windows NT evolved in to Windows 2000 Professional.
Windows 98 evolved in to Windows ME

When XP came out, it was THE client OS replacing the separate tracks.

I would hope so.

How much do these upgrades usually cost? I'm looking to buy a new PC now and while I would like to get Windows 7, I really don't want to wait until the end of October.

Get the release candidate for free now. Use Vista drivers for any devices. You'll be able to use the RC until June of next year.

Does that make up for the extra grand you have to spend to get Apple's proprietary hardware?

You should always give Microsoft products at least 6 months to work out the bugs before you buy them. Preferably a full year.

For a business environment, I would agree.

For home, I see no problems with early adoption these days unless you are running exotic hardware or legacy apps.

I'm not sure that applies when your other option is continuing to use Vista.

I see trying to discuss any aspect of an operating system on the internet without it turning into a MAC vs Windows pissing match reamains impossible.

* hey, look at me, I like MAC, i'm better than you!
* no you're not!
* uh huh, i've never had a virus!
* but you lack flexibility!

and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah - it's a matter of preference. If you were a true power user who wanted a better understanding of low level functions and the ability to customize everything you would be using LINUX.

They're both awesome in ways and they both suck in ways - deal with it and please, pretty please with sugar on top - shut the **** up about it already.

Somewhat agree - generally the people who start the pissing matches aren't Powerusers or people who work in IT, they are just your average joes who may or may not use a computer at work, and just repeat what they hear like a trained parrot.

If you want the truth about it.... please take a look at this very detailed study done my Tom's Hardware about Apple pricing....

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ista,1985.html

But I'd rather talk about Windows 7.... which is going to be a very good OS and well worth the price....

I'll bite. Why do you think that?

I half heartedly searched but got no results. What exactly will be the difference between it and windows vista?

Win7 is very well designed already. It's fast. Much faster than Vista. We've been testing it for quite some time, and we're running Win7 on some older machines that had been phased out due to such sluggish Vista performance. We are in fact redeploying some of these older machines loaded with Win7 in some labs to counter some of our budget restraints. I was very surprised at how well it ran on moderately fast machines. Considerably faster startup and shutdown, and stuff like resuming from screen saver or unlocking your account. The OS is well thought out. Multiple monitor support is awesome. They've added some taskbar features that are really smart. Apps and documents are grouped on the task bar. And there are a bunch of neat features available by hovering over the icons in the taskbar. They have a file preview thingy that gives you a thumbnail pic of the document/pic/vid/etc. It's got some administration features that are going to be really nice too. Windows Media Player is improved. It will play a lot more formats by default. Fairly easy install.

Overall, I've been very impressed with it so far.

So the RC is stable enough for this?

Hell yeah.

Yeah all of that is very nice. I'm still running my beta and it's very, very stable. I love it. Camtasia Studio runs MUCH faster, which is good for me.

Last night I told my cousin I might actually PAY for Windows 7 because it's so nice. Then we shared a hearty laugh and dried our tears.

So what would be the easiest way to split a drive on my laptop and create a new partition on to try this sucker out?

RC1 is considerably better than the beta too. Lots of stuff added to RC1.

Is there going to be a RC2?

Extremely stable. I've run everything from games (complex interative mmos and fps) to photoshop, Office XP...you name it, no crashes.

The only thing I would reccomend is if Win7 recognizes your hardware and it functions without problems is to hold off installing the latest drivers until the hardware gurus can catch up with Win7 specified drivers.

Drivers were the only problem I've had so far but as mentioned that was solved by unistalling the manufacturer drivers and letting Win7 use it's default version.

Has anyone been able to confirm this? I'd love to wipe XP and go all in.

Here's some easy instructions.

http://lifehacker.com/5126781/how-to...th-xp-or-vista

Although I hesitate to tell someone to use an on-the-fly re-partitioning app. Too many factors that could go wrong, resulting in loss of data. In the least, you should do a complete backup before trying it.

To safely do it? I'd recommend using something like Ghost to take a snap shot of your current partition. Save that image file on an external drive. Partition the drive with a startup disk. Dump the ghost image onto the primary partition. Run the Win7 disk, and install it on the secondary partition.

Yup. It's coming out very shortly....

http://keznews.com/5752_Windows_7_RC...out_to_release

Heh, some of us continue to use Windows XP. :D PBJ

I've heard Windows 7 is truly a good OS. That figures seeing as they generally release the better one on the odd cycle.

That said, Snow Leopard is supposed to bring some goodness to OSX so, at least we have some innovating and competition going on between them.

Been using Windows 7 Beta at my house for a few months. Much faster than Vista and is supposed to be more friendly to XP compatable software than Vista.

Well... it shares a lot of Vista's kernel. Software designed for Vista will definitely run better on it than software designed for XP. It's not exactly what I would consider more friendly to XP compatible software. It has an XP compatibility mode, for running older programs. It's a virtual XP emulator though, that must be added as a download. And it actually requires a licensed copy of XP to install as well. It lets you run XP software, but it's definitely geared toward compatibility and not performance. It will likely be pretty processor intensive...

http://community.winsupersite.com/bl...windows-7.aspx

It doesn't seem that way to me, but I've not loaded any of the programs I use in XP, but I'm not going to pony up $4,000 just to see if it works. I'll let the IT guys at work figure out if they want to move from XP to 7.

The Windows XP mode is a VirtualPC environment. Any time you run a virtual environment app it's going to be pretty resource intensive. It takes a lot to emulate an OS within another OS, and make it run smoothly.

Cool. Thanks Fish.

I looked through Microsoft's website at the improvements and wasn't impressed. I grew up on the old stuff, so I think very heirarchically. When they try to "make things more convenient" it ****s up my chi.

That's one thing that pissed me off about Office 2007. I'd memorized a bunch of keystrokes to get through the menus, and now the menus are gone and there aren't any keystroke shortcuts that I know of. :cuss:

Anyway, most of the convenience stuff doesn't appeal to me much.

I am optomistic about it being sped up.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/290938

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=3236&page=1

Rep. Still pissed though. There's a lot of them that I just need to get to through a menu. I hate using my mouse.

Seems to me they skewed the test by picking a overpriced and crappy dell on just hardware..

Most of my keyboard shortcuts in Excel 2007 remained the same (and I use them religiously).

I'm tempted to throw W7 on my desktop at home that runs XP, but I've never set up partitions or run two OS's before. I do backup my data onto an external hard drive, so I suppose I'm covered if something bad happened.

Unbeknownst to me vista has it's own built in repartitioning software. Took 3 min, downloading 7 now.

I found some new ones today. In 2003, if you pressed Alt, it would send you up to the menus and you could make selections from the menus using keystrokes. I was pissed when 07 used "ribbons" or whatever the **** they are called because there were no more menus. Well, if you press Alt, now, it pops up with keystrokes you can use. They've all changed of course, but I can relearn them if I need to.

I'm less pissed off.

Yeah, I'm pretty happy with everything I'm hearing about Win7 and especially happy I've never had to use Vista very much.

I guess I'm just weird. I've been using vista for a year and had no problems. That being said I"m just plain curious about the new version.

I've been using Vista at work since it came out, and it's been ok. My pc is significantly slower than I'd like, but I don't know if it's all the other crap, er, Enterprise related software my company runs on it. Either way, I should be getting a new lappy with 4 GB of RAM about the same time we get W7, so things should get quite a bit zippier for me all at once.

Okay I went to install it and on the opening screen it says "dvd, cd rom driver not found please install driver before you continue"

anyone else have this problem and if so how did they fix it?

That sounds like a bad burn. Burn another copy, and bump it down to a slower burn speed.

Make sure you got a good copy. Some of the torrented copies are corrupt. So if in doubt, get the RC directly from M$.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win.../download.aspx

yeah I downloaded the first copy straight from ms but you were right it was a bad burn I reburned it at a lower speed and am using it right now.

holy shit the snipping tool is awesome .

Do we know the pricing structure yet? That is when I will laugh.

They're not going to give it away. I would bet it will be similar to Vista.

Over priced. Got it. heh

Anything over $100 is too much.

Why?

Guru's cheap.
:)

I'd say $150.

Because I am tired of being expected to pay for faulty programming. No matter how good Win7 may be, it will be full of holes they will have to patch up, slowing it down in the process. Par for the course with M$.

:LOL::thumb:

You can just about say that about all companies and their software. Microsoft just gets more negative press than the others.

I was about to switch to Linux after I found Mint.com. My Kodak printer doesn't have Linux drivers though. heh

don't get me wrong, I really like Windows 7 but I know it will be way overpriced. Plus, they will do that same ridiculous pricing structure of home, pro, ultimate and server. there is still that rumor of a basic version that will limit how may apps will run too. Haven't heard if that has been debunked yet.

I still love apple's response to that with osX when they said we have one product for all four markets and they are all $110.

I read that MS has dropped the app limit on the basic version.

The fact that they even mulled that thought through their heads almost makes me want to side with guru on saying **** them.

To be fair, I think the only versions we would be able to buy here is the premium and ultimate versions. I thought the basic version was meant for other markets, resource challenged pc's.