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Coach 06-05-2009 08:41 AM

June 6, 1944, 65 years later....
 
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Saturday marks the anniversary of "D-Day," referring to the D-Day invasion in Europe in 1944. This year commemorates the 65th anniversary of Operation Overlord, or "D-Day," when thousands of American and British troops landed on the shores of Normandy with the objective of securing it from Nazi Germany, through additional land and naval support of other Allied nations.

The assault, the largest seaborne invasion in history to that time, is considered to be the turning point in the war toward the Allied victory, but it was not without cost. Total Allied casualties on D-Day are estimated at 10,000, including more than 2,500 dead.

Today, 65 years later, as our World War II veterans of our greatest generation are passing on, Americans reflect on the significance of June 6, 1944, and the historical importance of Operation Overlord. More than 330,000 Wisconsin service members served in World War II, with close to 43,000 of them alive today; only a certain percentage of them took part in Operation Overlord.

The National World War II Memorial on the national mall in Washington, D.C., was dedicated five years ago, on May 29, 2004. The National Honor Flight Network is bringing World War II veterans and terminally ill veterans to visit the memorial. There are several flight hubs in Wisconsin with future flights being planned.

Also in keeping the historical significance alive, the Wisconsin Veterans Museum preserves the materials and memories of all Wisconsin veterans, including those at D-Day, through the Wisconsin Veterans Oral History Project, as well as archives and object collections.

Let us all remember the importance of the heroic invasion 65 years ago on "D-Day."
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Gonzo 06-05-2009 08:53 AM

The greatest battle in millitary history IMO.

Several different branches of the millitary, not all Americans either, being able to coordinate a mass effort such as this is awe inspiring. Many things went wrong on that fateful day but in the end, the planned results proved true.

Whenever I meet a man who fought in this battle, whether he was in the infantry, a troop boat driver or a cook I am star struck.

My Grandfather was a Glider Pilot and he flew into Normandy on that morning. I was never able to meet him unfortuantely...



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IKE: You are about to embark upon the Great Crusade, toward which we have
striven these many months. The eyes of the world are upon you. The
hopes and prayers of liberty-loving people everywhere march with you.
In company with our brave Allies and brothers-in-arms on
other Fronts, you will bring about the destruction of the German war
machine, the elimination of Nazi tyranny over the oppressed peoples of
Europe, and security for ourselves in a free world.

Your task will not be an easy one. Your enemy is well trained, well
equipped and battle hardened. He will fight savagely.

But this is the year 1944! Much has happened since the Nazi triumphs of
1940-41. The United Nations have inflicted upon the Germans great defeats,
in open battle, man-to-man. Our air offensive has seriously reduced their
strength in the air and their capacity to wage war on the ground. Our Home
Fronts have given us an overwhelming superiority in weapons and munitions
of war, and placed at our disposal great reserves of trained fighting men.
The tide has turned! The free men of the world are marching together to
Victory!

I have full confidence in your courage and devotion to duty and skill in
battle. We will accept nothing less than full Victory!

Good luck! And let us beseech the blessing of Almighty God upon this great
and noble undertaking.

Buehler445 06-05-2009 08:59 AM

Everybody needs to read "Ike: An American Hero". It chronicles the Ike's life, most notably the decision to push forward with DDay. Great read. Really puts a scope on the operation.
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Donger 06-05-2009 09:02 AM

History geek fact: Eisenhower wrote a note taking full responsibility for the failure of the landings.

http://www.archives.gov/education/le...re-message.gif

Coach 06-05-2009 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 5819155)
History geek fact: Eisenhower wrote a note taking full responsibility for the failure of the landings.

http://www.archives.gov/education/le...re-message.gif

Yeah, I seen that, as well as several books mentioning that note. Let's just say thankfully that note wasn't needed.

cdcox 06-05-2009 09:12 AM

It was the dark of the moon on the sixth of June...

HC_Chief 06-05-2009 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo (Post 5819146)
The greatest battle in millitary history IMO.

Several different branches of the millitary, not all Americans either, being able to coordinate a mass effort such as this is awe inspiring. Many things went wrong on that fateful day but in the end, the planned results proved true.

Whenever I meet a man who fought in this battle, whether he was in the infantry, a troop boat driver or a cook I am star struck.

My Grandfather was a Glider Pilot and he flew into Normandy on that morning. I was never able to meet him unfortuantely...

It is amazing what they accomplished. The landings were SNAFU on Utah and Omaha, with hundreds losing their lives before even making it to shore. The tanks which were supposed to land in support all sank. That left thousands of foot soldiers exposed on a 300+yard stretch of wet sand. They had to run to assault sheer cliff faces peppered with hardended bunkers and machine gun nests under constant withering fire.... and they did it; in less than a full day!

Serendipitous timing (Rommel was on vacation during the landing) and incompetence at the highest level of German command (Hitler refused to release the reserve Panzer divisions to counter) helped to ensure a strong foothold. From there, the war was won for us. It was only a matter of time.

raybec 4 06-05-2009 09:23 AM

The people of that generation made sacrifices of a personal nature that most of us can only imagine. The patriotism and sense of belonging to something special they exhibited, whether they fought in the war or bought war bonds or just rationed all of their personal purchases, it was astounding.

MOhillbilly 06-05-2009 09:34 AM

I wonder how many of those young men knew they were gettin the full measure that day....God Bless Em.

CoMoChief 06-05-2009 09:45 AM

Gotta pay respect our troops for literally just going out there knowing they're running right into a line of fire.

raybec 4 06-05-2009 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly (Post 5819210)
I wonder how many of those young men knew they were gettin the full measure that day....God Bless Em.

Not just that day either, those were different times forthe military as well. Those guys went to war when it started and didn't come back 'til it was over. Heroes each and every one.

BigMeatballDave 06-05-2009 10:11 AM

My grandfather survived Normandy.

Radar Chief 06-05-2009 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 5819283)
Not just that day either, those were different times forthe military as well. Those guys went to war when it started and didn't come back 'til it was over. Heroes each and every one.

Indeed they were.

Demonpenz 06-05-2009 10:33 AM

i can empathize with them after playing medal of honor online

Rain Man 06-05-2009 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 5819169)
It was the dark of the moon on the sixth of June...

Greatest convoy ever.

MIAdragon 06-05-2009 10:39 AM

One the things many forget ( myself included ) is how many other countries also sacked up and landed that day. They include; England, Canada. Australia, Belgium, Czechoslovakia, France, Greece, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway and Poland.

Chief Henry 06-05-2009 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave (Post 5819285)
My grandfather survived Normandy.

:clap: kudos to your dad and that generation

Otter 06-05-2009 10:45 AM

I always feel like such a pussy when I read about what those guys went through.

God Bless and Thank You

Donger 06-05-2009 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon (Post 5819364)
France

It sure was nice of them to participate, yes.

PhillyChiefFan 06-05-2009 12:01 PM

"Freedoms that we now enjoy
Born from D-Day’s terrible labour
Creating debt to soldiers living and dead
That can never be repaid.
Except that we are thankful,
And promise never to forget"
-Malcom Watts

tomahawk kid 06-05-2009 12:17 PM

My great uncle parachuted in on DDay and also was a survivor of the Battle of the Buldge. He had earned the rank of sergeant in an armory division and was actually one of the first soldiers sent home on the "points" system that they mention towards the end of Band of Brothers

I knew that he had participated in the BOTB growing up, but didn't know the rest until I attended his funeral back in 2006. Some of his comrades from the local VFW chapter filled us in on details about his service that he would have never mentioned himself.

chagrin 06-05-2009 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 5819283)
Not just that day either, those were different times forthe military as well. Those guys went to war when it started and didn't come back 'til it was over. Heroes each and every one.

:clap:

PhillyChiefFan 06-05-2009 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tomahawk kid (Post 5819624)
My great uncle parachuted in on DDay and also was a survivor of the Battle of the Buldge. He had earned the rank of sergeant in an armory division and was actually one of the first soldiers sent home on the "points" system that they mention towards the end of Band of Brothers

I knew that he had participated in the BOTB growing up, but didn't know the rest until I attended his funeral back in 2006. Some of his comrades from the local VFW chapter filled us in on details about his service that he would have never mentioned himself.

Thing is, he himself, probably didn't feel it necessary to detail his career. Probably just figured he was doing his job, nothing more. Even though what he was doing was heroic. That's what always amazes me, they fought and died before they would have been old enough to drink a beer legally today.

PhillyChiefFan 06-05-2009 12:43 PM

My favorite part of Band of Brothers is when they have the actual guys telling their stories.

I wish I could spend just ONE afternoon with Dick Winters.

tomahawk kid 06-05-2009 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PhillyChiefFan (Post 5819697)
Thing is, he himself, probably didn't feel it necessary to detail his career. Probably just figured he was doing his job, nothing more. Even though what he was doing was heroic. That's what always amazes me, they fought and died before they would have been old enough to drink a beer legally today.

I think that was very much the case AND I think he probably had some undiagnosed post tramatic stress disorder.

Mom remembers him going into the house during fireworks time on the 4th of July when she was a kid. He just couldn't take the sound. Firecrackers apparently bothered him the most, probably for obvious reasons.

tomahawk kid 06-05-2009 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PhillyChiefFan (Post 5819699)
My favorite part of Band of Brothers is when they have the actual guys telling their stories.

I wish I could spend just ONE afternoon with Dick Winters.

I picked up his book about a month back and am still working my way through it.

Its a little dense and thick on details, so I'm only about a quarter of the way through.

Otter 06-05-2009 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PhillyChiefFan (Post 5819699)
My favorite part of Band of Brothers is when they have the actual guys telling their stories.

I wish I could spend just ONE afternoon with Dick Winters.

He lives maybe an hour from me and I had the pleasure of shaking his hand. Honestly man, when you look him in the eye there's nothing you can say to him. At least I didn't know what to say. Knod and 'thank you sir'.

It's hard to believe the spirit in that old mans body kicked all that ass so many moons ago.

He wouldn't talk to you or me about what he went through over than anyway. Those guys discuss that between themselves and maybe other war veterns and pretty much no one else from my experience.

PhillyChiefFan 06-05-2009 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Otter (Post 5819709)
He lives maybe an hour from me and I had the pleasure of shaking his hand. Honestly man, when you look him in the eye there's nothing you can say to him. At least I didn't know what to say. Knod and 'thank you sir'.

It's hard to believe the spirit in that old mans body kicked all that ass so many moons ago.

He wouldn't talk to you or me about what he went through over than anyway. Those guys discuss that between themselves and maybe other war veterns and pretty much no one else from my experience.

Wouldn't expect him too, honestly what can I say that has any weight compared to what he and his men had been through?

I almost get choked up at the very end of BoB when he says about Ranney "I cherish the memories of a question my grandson asked me the other day when he said "grandpa were you a hero in the war?" Grandpa said "No...but I served in a company of heroes."

Gets me everytime.

tomahawk kid 06-05-2009 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PhillyChiefFan (Post 5819736)
Wouldn't expect him too, honestly what can I say that has any weight compared to what he and his men had been through?

I almost get choked up at the very end of BoB when he says about Ranney "I cherish the memories of a question my grandson asked me the other day when he said "grandpa were you a hero in the war?" Grandpa said "No...but I served in a company of heroes."

Gets me everytime.

Same here.

Coach 06-05-2009 07:01 PM

If my figures are correct, it is currently 2:00A.M., June 6th in London. 4˝ more hours until the landings.

Discuss Thrower 06-05-2009 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 5820606)
If my figures are correct, it is currently 2:00A.M., June 6th in London. 4˝ more hours until the landings.

Those guys had to be sick shitless. If not from anxiety but from seasickness.

Skip Towne 06-05-2009 07:33 PM

I was born in June of 1945. My dad was "over there" at the time. I was 2 years old when he first saw me.

Coach 06-05-2009 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Town Fan 1988 (Post 5820625)
Those guys had to be sick shitless. If not from anxiety but from seasickness.

Considering that they had previous attempts to do this over and over, while it was bein cancelled due to bad weather, yeah.

Coach 06-05-2009 09:11 PM

This is interesting....

Long read, but very worth it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31002386

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The disaster that may have saved D-Day

Hushed up for decades: How 749 U.S. troops died in practice for Utah Beach

By Jason Cumming
msnbc.com
updated 5:48 a.m. CT, Fri., June 5, 2009
SLAPTON SANDS, England - Lured across the English Channel by an unexpected frenzy of radio chatter, the Nazi predators sliced through the waves toward an unknown enemy.

It was shortly after midnight on April 28, 1944. Within a matter of 2-1/2 hours, an ambush by a German E-boat flotilla had brought misery to hundreds of American families.

A secret dress rehearsal for D-Day had been interrupted with deadly consequences.

Nicknamed "Long Slow Targets" by their crews, the U.S. landing craft proved to be no match for the 50-mph German torpedo boats. The hit-and-run attack left two American vessels ablaze and sinking. A third had been struck in the stern and was badly damaged.

As hundreds of American servicemen floundered amid the burning oil and cold water off England's southern coast, futile cries of "help" and "mom" echoed across the darkness. At least 749 U.S. sailors and soldiers would be dead by dawn.

Code-named Exercise Tiger, the ill-fated D-Day dry run was at the time America's costliest incident of the war (only Pearl Harbor was worse). The attack claimed more than three times as many lives as the amphibious landing at Utah Beach in France, the assault they had been practicing for at Slapton Sands in picturesque Devon county.

But now, 65 years after the disaster was hushed-up by military chiefs, historians believe lessons learned from the little-known tragedy helped to ensure the success of the D-Day landings less than six weeks later.

"These people were training for a military operation in the midst of a war," said Dr. Harry Bennett, a World War II expert based at Britain's University of Plymouth. "Without Exercise Tiger, the liberation of Normandy, France and Europe might have been a more protracted and bloody process."

Haunted by carnage

For the servicemen who made it back to shore, such sentiments don't make the horrors they witnessed any easier to bear.

Many survivors say it isn't memories of Utah or Omaha beaches that haunt them decades later. It's the carnage of the pre-invasion practice gone wrong that live on in their nightmares.

Steve Sadlon, who was a radio operator aboard the first landing craft struck by the German E-boats that night, recalls being awakened by the "scraping" sound of a torpedo that failed to detonate. Moments later, an explosion ripped through LST 507, which was fully loaded with trucks, military equipment and soldiers. (LST is an acronym for Landing Ship, Tank.)

"It was an inferno," said Sadlon, speaking from his home in Ilion in upstate New York. "The fire was circling the ship. It was terrible.

"Guys were burning to death and screaming. Even to this day I remember it. Every time I go to bed, it pops into my head. I can't forget it."

Sadlon, who was aged 20 at the time, retrieved his pistol and a floatation belt before leaping into the frigid English Channel.

"Guys were grabbing hold of us and we had to fight them off," he recalled. "Guys were screaming, 'Help, help, help' and then you wouldn't hear their voices anymore."

Tracers light the sky

Paul Gerolstein, then a gunner's mate 2nd class, recalls a fireball rising "60 or 70 feet in the air" after Sadlon's LST was struck by the second torpedo.

"Our radar gave us the German positions and we started to return fire," said Gerolstein, an 88-year-old retired police lieutenant who now lives in Port Charlotte, Fla. "I vividly remember the German tracers were light green while our tracers were red.

"The convoy was given orders to scatter and the battle was over before we knew it.

"But my captain, John Doyle, decided to stay. 'We came here to fight the Germans and we will stay here and fight,' he ordered. We went back and threw cargo nets over the side and picked up 70 or 80 survivors."

Gerolstein recalls working with a "strong as a bull" colleague named Gerhard Jensen to pull seven or eight wounded servicemen to safety.

Sadlon ended up spending about four hours in the frigid English Channel before he was finally hauled aboard an American landing craft. Unconscious and suffering from hypothermia, he was initially mistaken for dead.

But, like many Exercise Tiger survivors, he would participate in the D-Day landings just 40 days later.

"In comparison to the E-boat attack, Utah Beach was a walk in the park," Sadlon said.

D-Day nearly scrapped

The deadly ambush left Allied commanders rattled. Ten U.S. officers with detailed knowledge of the looming Normandy invasion were missing and the possibility that any of them been taken prisoner on the German E-boats was a major concern. Scrapping "Operation Overlord," the name given to the D-Day landings, was discussed at the highest levels.

But the emergency ended when all ten bodies were eventually recovered. The German crews had no idea they had stumbled upon a secret test run for the Normandy invasion.

The reverberations of the disaster, though, were to last for decades. Determined to ensure the sneak attack would not jeopardize the planned D-Day assaults and concerned about the impact on morale, historians say the U.S. military moved to keep the disaster cloaked in secrecy.

Doctors treating injured soldiers and sailors at English hospitals were told to act as if they were veterinarians treating animals. Injuries and ailments only. No questions were to be asked about what had occurred. Medical staff were also told not to keep any records.

Officials informed victims' families simply that they were "missing in action" after maneuvers at sea. The servicemen were threatened with court-martial if they ever discussed what had occurred. Many took the "ever" very literally.

Nathan Resnick, who was aboard one of the other landing craft in the attacked convoy, said: "We were told not to say anything. I was married for 40-something years and never told my wife a word."

Frank Derby, a gunner's mate 3rd class who now lives in Fallston, Md., added: "Our officers made it very clear that we'd be court-martialed if we breathed a word of it. That scared the hell out of all of us."

After the war ended, the vast majority of the men who returned to the U.S. kept their mouths shut.

Meanwhile, the U.S. government also kept mum. In 1954, the U.S. Army unveiled a granite obelisk at Slapton Sands recognizing the sacrifices made by 3,000 local residents who a decade earlier had "generously left their homes and their lands" for several months so the area could be transformed into an almost-real battlefield.

Because the 3-1/4 mile stretch of coast closely resembled Utah Beach, the U.S. military had taken over 30,000 acres of English soil for a series of mock landings including Exercise Tiger. The live-fire rehearsals were intended to toughen up raw servicemen before they stormed the beaches of occupied France.

But the Army's marker made no mention of the huge loss of American life that occurred on April 28, 1944.

It would be 30 more years before Ken Small, a local guesthouse owner who became troubled by the story of Exercise Tiger after finding bullets, shrapnel and buttons on the beach, would right what he perceived as a wrong.

Small, who died in 2004, fought for more than a decade to recover a submerged Sherman tank that had been found about a mile offshore. It now serves as a memorial to the American servicemen who were killed.

"Exercise Tiger was a bit of an embarrassment but that is no excuse to not recognize the hundreds of men who died," said Small's son Dean, who is director of the non-profit group behind the Slapton Sands Memorial Tank. "It's important that people understand all aspects of war. It's not all glory and planting flags at the top of hills."

Lessons learned

Dr. Bennett cited the need for more co-ordination between the U.S. and British navies was the key lesson learned during Exercise Tiger. A typo in order papers meant ships from each country were using different radio frequencies on the night of the deadly attack. Communication would become a top priority before D-Day.

Dr. Bennett said the Exercise Tiger disaster also "underscored" the importance of adequate escorts for naval convoys and of quelling the threat from German E-boats.

"After D-Day, the Allied forces specifically went after them to neutralize that threat by taking them out of the equation," he added.

The three-mile long American convoy was also only assigned one escort vessel. A second British ship that was due to accompany them — a World War I-era destroyer — had suffered minor damage to its hull hours earlier and was kept in port.

"It was a disastrous attack. The Germans were in the right place at the right time and the Americans in the wrong place at the wrong time," said Dr. Bennett, the author of "Destination Normandy: Three American Regiments on D-Day."

"It was a horrendous situation, but whenever you're training for war there's always going to be casualties and accidents."

Steve Mutton, 38, a Chicago-born local historian who moved to England as a teenager, said that Exercise Tiger was "all about doing everything exactly the same way as it would be done on D-Day to see what mistakes would come out of it."

He said the attack on the convoy revealed the lack of training U.S. troops had received. For instance, many of those who died in the English Channel failed to use their floatation devices properly.

"Because they were called life belts, many men put them around their waists instead of their chests and with the heavy kit they were carrying they toppled over head-first in the water and drowned," Mutton added.

Command errors?

Lessons may have been learned, but survivor Resnick, 85, who now lives in Van Nuys, Calif., remains convinced the victims were badly let down by American and British commanders. The disaster, he insists, could have been avoided if the convoy had been assigned adequate support from escort vessels.

"It was a tragic night," he said. "High Command really goofed. We were basically all alone out there. There's no excuse. We should've had quite a few escorts on a big operation like that. There were plenty of escort vessels around because they were getting ready for D-Day.

"High Command had reports of E-boat activity. That should've been a red flag. They just didn't pay attention to it.

"So many young men — 18, 19, 20 — perished. They deserved better.

"Their families should've been told the whole truth. It's really not right."

Eisenhower criticized

While historians dismiss claims of a cover-up by pointing out that some details of the Exercise Tiger deaths were released in August 1944 and highlighting that many documents relating to it were declassified long ago, some survivors have more questions than answers about what happened that night.

Sadlon, who was a 3rd class petty officer at the time, only learned of the death toll when fellow veterans started to defy the gag order 40 years on, allowing the puzzle to be pieced together.

"Nothing was said about all of those guys who lost their lives," said Sadlon, 86.

"With E-boats and submarines out there, why would you send 9 LSTs into the English Channel with just one escort? If (Supreme Allied Commander Dwight D.) Eisenhower was alive, I'd really lay into him."

Laurie Bolton, whose 19-year-old uncle Sgt. Louis Archer Bolton was killed during Exercise Tiger, believes the military's decision to hush up the attack resulted in victims and their families being treated with a lack of respect.

Her family was initially only told that he was "missing in action." Her uncle's body was never recovered.

Holding out vain hope

Amid prayers that her uncle may still be alive, Bolton's family, including his teenage widow, Wilma, never held a proper memorial service.

"We never really knew what happened to my uncle," said Laurie Bolton. "Because there was no body, his mother held out hope that he'd been captured by the Germans and suffered amnesia.

"It was many years after the war was over before she accepted it."

Bolton, 56, from Kingsburg, Calif., now organizes regular visits for survivors and victims' families to the Sherman tank memorial in England. The U.S. government also provided a plaque at the site in 1987.

"We have no grave to visit but the memorial is close to where my uncle took his last breath," Bolton said. "When I'm there, I sometimes just sit on the beach and imagine him pulling on his gear and getting settled and the ship going out — and suddenly this huge explosion.

"I don't believe they received adequate recognition. It was a military blunder and the military doesn't want to talk about its blunders.

"It brings comfort to some of the veterans that important lessons were learned during Exercise Tiger that saved lives on D-Day."

Coach 06-05-2009 10:31 PM

-1 to H-Hour.

Coach 06-05-2009 11:30 PM

And it has begun.

crazycoffey 06-05-2009 11:44 PM

God Bless those troops, thier families & loved ones.

ChiefaRoo 06-06-2009 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne (Post 5820679)
I was born in June of 1945. My dad was "over there" at the time. I was 2 years old when he first saw me.

Did he say? "Hey this little f**ker looks like the t.v. repairman"


I'm just askin'

Coach 06-06-2009 01:13 AM

Let us not forget that the "Battle of Midway" occured between June 4th to 7th as well.

big nasty kcnut 06-06-2009 05:34 AM

The troops there were braver then most people today. God bless them.
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Buehler445 06-06-2009 07:35 AM

There is a D-Day marathon on the Military channel starting at 3 central for those interested.

PhillyChiefFan 06-06-2009 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 5821067)
Let us not forget that the "Battle of Midway" occured between June 4th to 7th as well.

This.

Buehler445 06-06-2009 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 5821067)
Let us not forget that the "Battle of Midway" occured between June 4th to 7th as well.

Good ****, I'd forgotten that. Rough couple of days for troops in both theaters.

StcChief 06-06-2009 12:55 PM

My uncle was 1st wave at Normandy. Came back alive.

Warrior5 06-06-2009 01:17 PM

What a generation... truly amazing.

PhillyChiefFan 06-06-2009 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by StcChief (Post 5821469)
My uncle was 1st wave at Normandy. Came back alive.

Do you know what beach?

BigChiefFan 06-06-2009 03:03 PM

My Grandpa was at Normandy, as well-he survived that and later on during the campaign, he took three shots to the belly and still made it back alive.

whoman69 06-06-2009 04:48 PM

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Skip Towne 06-06-2009 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefaRoo (Post 5821065)
Did he say? "Hey this little f**ker looks like the t.v. repairman"


I'm just askin'

We didn't get a TV till I was 8, dummy.

stumppy 06-06-2009 05:38 PM

Truly the greatest generation.

Words are inadequate to describe the character and bravery demonstrated by those men.

Redrum_69 06-06-2009 06:52 PM

http://www.101airborneww2.com/

Skip Towne 06-06-2009 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by stumppy (Post 5821768)
Truly the greatest generation.

Words are inadequate to describe the character and bravery demonstrated by those men.

True

Redrum_69 06-06-2009 06:52 PM

http://www.101airborneww2.com/thenandnow.html

Redrum_69 06-06-2009 06:55 PM

Time to watch Band of Brothers....

Saving Private Ryan....

Otter 06-06-2009 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Redrum_69 (Post 5821850)
Time to watch Band of Brothers....

Saving Private Ryan....

Or you could partake in a local memorial to honor them and help make sure this government takes into consideration what what they fought and died for when deciding what's best for us as if we were children that couldn't fend for themselves.

Or watch a movie.

Gonzo 06-06-2010 04:45 PM

Bumping this for my grandfather, a man I've never met who passed before I was born. 66 years ago today you showed the world what courage was.
Colonel Taylor- glider pilot WWII. Flew troops into Normandy.
He was also a tank commander during the Korean War.

Thank you to the bravest generation of Americans.
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bevischief 06-06-2010 06:13 PM

Thanks to all that served.

CoMoChief 06-06-2010 06:32 PM

My grandfather fought over in Europe in WWII. Can't remember what exactly he did specifically, but he was in the line of some shit. Gernade exploded right next to him and he's been deaf in the right ear ever since, also recieved a purple heart.

God bless our troops.

Sadly I think another world war is soon upon us, only a matter of time. Those people made this country into a supreme juggernaut power. Many of them risked their lives for us to be free. Could you image how much different this country would be now had Hitler won the war???

gblowfish 06-06-2010 07:01 PM

http://myfivebest.com/five-famous-pe...ught-on-d-day/

jspchief 06-06-2010 08:55 PM

I watched an interesting show on PBS a week or so back about the Civil Conservation Corps. It was part of Roosevelt's New Deal.

One of the living participants talked about how it essentially gave hundreds of thousands of American men a jumpstart on military structured life.

When I hear the phrase "greatest generation", this is the type of thing that comes to mind for me. These men were working in hard labor camps, doing jobs created by the government, required to send 5/6 of their earnings back home, and they were simply happy to have 3 meals per day. They rebuilt America to put food on their family's table, and in doing so unknowingly prepared themselves for WW2.

It's not by chance that these men had the grit to do the things they did. They were brought up in hard times, and no doubt had more respect for the things they fought for than us later generations can even guess at.

Buehler445 06-06-2010 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 6803078)
I watched an interesting show on PBS a week or so back about the Civil Conservation Corps. It was part of Roosevelt's New Deal.

One of the living participants talked about how it essentially gave hundreds of thousands of American men a jumpstart on military structured life.

When I hear the phrase "greatest generation", this is the type of thing that comes to mind for me. These men were working in hard labor camps, doing jobs created by the government, required to send 5/6 of their earnings back home, and they were simply happy to have 3 meals per day. They rebuilt America to put food on their family's table, and in doing so unknowingly prepared themselves for WW2.

It's not by chance that these men had the grit to do the things they did. They were brought up in hard times, and no doubt had more respect for the things they fought for than us later generations can even guess at.

Well said, sir.

MIAdragon 06-06-2012 08:55 AM

Bump

Dave Lane 06-06-2012 08:59 AM

Should have never got involved.

/Ron Paul

Donger 06-06-2012 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 8662253)
Should have never got involved.

/Ron Paul

LMAO

Fat Elvis 06-06-2012 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 5821708)
famous vet of Normandy

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Moral fibre? I invented moral fibre! Pappy O'Daniel was displaying rectitude and high-mindedness when that egghead you work for was still messing his drawers!
edit: meh, the pic of Charles Durning isn't showing....

Radar Chief 06-06-2012 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 6803078)
I watched an interesting show on PBS a week or so back about the Civil Conservation Corps. It was part of Roosevelt's New Deal.

One of the living participants talked about how it essentially gave hundreds of thousands of American men a jumpstart on military structured life.

When I hear the phrase "greatest generation", this is the type of thing that comes to mind for me. These men were working in hard labor camps, doing jobs created by the government, required to send 5/6 of their earnings back home, and they were simply happy to have 3 meals per day. They rebuilt America to put food on their family's table, and in doing so unknowingly prepared themselves for WW2.

It's not by chance that these men had the grit to do the things they did. They were brought up in hard times, and no doubt had more respect for the things they fought for than us later generations can even guess at.

Interesting.
A friend of mine owns land with a test pit dug by this same program. He found out by searching through the local city library’s archives and actually came up with pictures of the work camp on what is now his land. These test pits were dug all over this area and are a big part of why both Monarch and Ash Grove Cement have plants here.

Garcia Bronco 06-06-2012 09:35 AM

(sniff)

listopencil 06-06-2012 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 5819189)
The people of that generation made sacrifices of a personal nature that most of us can only imagine. The patriotism and sense of belonging to something special they exhibited, whether they fought in the war or bought war bonds or just rationed all of their personal purchases, it was astounding.

^

crazycoffey 06-06-2012 10:09 AM

Should change the OP to 68 years.

A memorial day in its own right. RIP to the lives sacrificed that day.

saphojunkie 06-06-2012 10:32 AM

For the past year, I have been writing something about the post-war experience, and the amount of research I did on WWII has left me...adjusted.

I don't know, maybe there is nothing noble about dying. There sure as hell isn't anything noble about killing. But there is immeasurable nobility in doing what needs to be done, when no one else is willing or can.

I think we carry a significant amount of pride and devotion to that war, because it was the last war that you could look at and say, "There! There is the villain! And we MUST be here. We must fight. It isn't a choice, or a strategy, or based on ulterior motives." No war since has carried such clear justifications and necessity.

And yet, even then, the horror of it all isn't diminished one damn bit.

bevischief 06-06-2012 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 8662480)
For the past year, I have been writing something about the post-war experience, and the amount of research I did on WWII has left me...adjusted.

I don't know, maybe there is nothing noble about dying. There sure as hell isn't anything noble about killing. But there is immeasurable nobility in doing what needs to be done, when no one else is willing or can.

I think we carry a significant amount of pride and devotion to that war, because it was the last war that you could look at and say, "There! There is the villain! And we MUST be here. We must fight. It isn't a choice, or a strategy, or based on ulterior motives." No war since has carried such clear justifications and necessity.

And yet, even then, the horror of it all isn't diminished one damn bit.

You writing a book?

Setsuna 06-06-2012 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Otter (Post 5821858)
Or you could partake in a local memorial to honor them and help make sure this government takes into consideration what what they fought and died for when deciding what's best for us as if we were children that couldn't fend for themselves.

Or watch a movie.

Pipe dream fool. Don't be dumb.

ChiTown 06-06-2012 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 8662253)
Should have never got involved.

/Ron Paul

:LOL:

ChiTown 06-06-2012 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 6803078)
I watched an interesting show on PBS a week or so back about the Civil Conservation Corps. It was part of Roosevelt's New Deal.

One of the living participants talked about how it essentially gave hundreds of thousands of American men a jumpstart on military structured life.

When I hear the phrase "greatest generation", this is the type of thing that comes to mind for me. These men were working in hard labor camps, doing jobs created by the government, required to send 5/6 of their earnings back home, and they were simply happy to have 3 meals per day. They rebuilt America to put food on their family's table, and in doing so unknowingly prepared themselves for WW2.

It's not by chance that these men had the grit to do the things they did. They were brought up in hard times, and no doubt had more respect for the things they fought for than us later generations can even guess at.

At night, every night, I drop to my knee and thank God for allowing my Family and I to live in the greatest Country in the World. I then say a prayer to God for giving me a Father who was a wonderful example to follow. He spent 5 years of his life (1940-45) overseas fighting to give me this opportunity. I continue to pray that I will honor his sacrifice and work by being a good, hardworking Family Man.

Thanks, and RIP, Dad.

dmahurin 06-06-2012 12:33 PM

I met a man a few weeks ago who ran away from home at 17 to join the navy during the war. He was on a PT boat and was at the Normandy invasion. He served 8 years, got out and used his GI bill to go to college and attend ROTC. Two days after he graduated the Korean war started. He fought in that war in the Pusan area. Later in his career he switched over to the engineering corps. Then of course he went to Vietnam. He was shot 3 times in the stomach during the Tet offensive. I sat and talked to the guy for almost an hour about his experiences. I can't imagine fighting in 3 wars.

Chief Roundup 06-06-2012 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dmahurin (Post 8662978)
I met a man a few weeks ago who ran away from home at 17 to join the navy during the war. He was on a PT boat and was at the Normandy invasion. He served 8 years, got out and used his GI bill to go to college and attend ROTC. Two days after he graduated the Korean war started. He fought in that war in the Pusan area. Later in his career he switched over to the engineering corps. Then of course he went to Vietnam. He was shot 3 times in the stomach during the Tet offensive. I sat and talked to the guy for almost an hour about his experiences. I can't imagine fighting in 3 wars.

3 wars and how many years of the lives of the people that meant the most to him. Of course that same number of his own life and he probably carries mental burdens at all times.

big nasty kcnut 06-06-2012 01:14 PM

God bless them all.
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Planetman 06-06-2012 01:22 PM

Before and After D-Day: Rare Color Photos. http://life.time.com/history/d-day-r...s/?hpt=hp_c2#1


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