Chiefs ranked 15th best QB corp. Guess who's 32nd?
 

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9...s:-QB-packages

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To the Mane!

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The Raiders, Browns, Jaguars, Redskins, Vikings (without Favre), Lions, Jets, Bucs, and 49ers are all in worse shape than the Broncos.

Kyle Orton is for real.

There was a time when Chiefs fans said the same thing about Tyler Thigpen. I'll bet McDaniels would trade us straight up for him.

Why didn't you change your name to involve Orton then?

Packers should be MUCH higher. Aaron Rodgers is a great QB.

Do you analyze your thought process? Ever? And you find no homerism in this?

I know a Bronco fan like you. We laugh at him.

I think Kyle Orton is no worse than Matt Cassel. He is better than Jamarcus Russell, Alex Smith, Shaun Hill, Brady Quinn, David Garrard, Byron Leftwich, Josh Freeman, Daunte Culpepper, Matt Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Kellen Clemens,Jason Campbell, and Sage Rosenfells.

I think after this season he will be considered one of the 10-15 best QB's in the league.

Orton is way worse than Cassel.

We will see how Cassel does without Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Ben Watson, that offensive line, and Josh McDaniels.

Nobody on the Chiefs offense would start on the Patriots. I'm not knocking the Chiefs, its just that the Patriots are loaded.

Besides Cutler, there is nobody on Chicago's offense that would start for Denver.

LMAO

Any ranking is subjective, but if they're talking QB corps.... (I refuse to talk about QB "packages".) I guess it depends on how heavily you weigh, say, a great starter and a crap backup vs. a decent starter and an okay backup. If you think it's more important to have depth, then you'd probably drop teams like the Patriots and Colts lower because if they lose Brady or Manning they're probably screwed.

I would definitely agree with the Saints as #1, since they have not one but two backups who've run the show before. Not sure I'd rank Pitt #2 since Batch ain't all that IMO. And if Chris Simms is healthy, at least Denver has a backup who's been a decent starter.

I would definitely rate the Bills lower than 12th. Texans and Fins should probably drop, too, as should the Ravens, Packers, Bears, Jags, and Lions. All those teams are fairly screwed if their starter drops. The Jets' QBs are so unknown they get an incomplete.

Fixed it for ya dipshit !

Good luck this year with stormin Kyle Orton!

Forte would.

And NE's O-line was terrible last year. They allowed 47 sacks and got Tom Brady on the IR.

And yeah Randy and Wes helped Cassel, but the majority of his throws were throws that any decent WR should catch. He didnt really take advantage of Moss's height and jumping ability. He made throws that would have worked had he had the Chiefs WRs, Raiders WRs, and even the Raiders WRs.

LOL

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You might want to check this out, in regards to Cassel... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5755411 and http://www.nfl.com/videos/kansas-cit...as-City-Chiefs

I doubt Forte would start over Knowshon. Forte averaged less than 4 yards per carry last year.

Homer much?

Quit while you're ahead.

Brady, Palmer, Peyton, Brees, Warner
Hasselbeck, Rivers, Roethlisberger, McNabb, Matt Ryan
Eli, Rodgers, Pennington, Cutler, Romo

He's not top 15 nor will he be by season's end. But it will be fun to hear you feebly argue who he's better than on that list.

I will grant you that the Broncos aren't the worst. I think Tampa wins that easily.

Forte had the 3rd most yards from scrimmage. The only 2 above him were Adrian Peterson and Michael Turner (barely).

Glad you're on top of things.

pretty lame idea for a list.

So you think 3.9 yards per carry as good?

I guarantee Knowshon Moreno will average at least 5.0 yards per carry this year.

Is this guy ****ing serious with this shit?

At least 5 ypc????

And Neckbeard is as good as Cassel..I thought we had some dumb-as-**** homers on this board, but you're on another level.

:spock: NOT This!

Selvin Young averaged 5.0 yards per carry for us the last 2 years and he was undrafted.

Peyton Hillis averaged 5.0 yards per carry for us last year and was a 7th round pick drafted to be a FB.

Tatum Bell averaged 5.7 yards per carry last year and we picked him up out of a cell phone shop midseason.

P.J. Pope was on our practice squad all season and averaged 7.6 yards per carry for us last year in three games.

Ryan Torrain broke his elbow in Training camp and the first game he played for Denver he averaged 5.7 yards per carry.

Knowshon is better than all of those guys and he played in the zone blocking scheme in college. He fits in perfectly here.

Oh yeah. I forgot about how the almighty YPC is the only statistic that matters. LT averaged 3.8 yards per carry. Brian Westbrook only averaged 4.0 yards per carry. What a bunch of chumps. You should be proud that you have three RBs, Peyton Hillis, Tatum Bell, AND Selvin Young who are better than LT and Westbrook! You guys are SO good. Just as I'm so excited that the Chiefs have a RB in Jamaal Charles, whose 5.3 YPC are better than most of the league too. Hell, those 4 RBs have better YPCs than 90% of the top 10 RBs in the league. Who knew that the AFC West (Denver and KC) were so loaded with RB talent.

Forte also had 63 receptions for 477 yards, which is one of the best among RBs. And oh, by the way, that tells you a lot about who Orton was relying on for a lot of his pass completions.

But by your argument, apparently Forte is better than LT, and Hillis/Charles/Bell/Young are too.

I hate Denver as much as the next Chiefs fan I am laughing at their off season as well but putting them last on that list is plain idiotic. I'd say the Vikes are the worst for sure.

Didn't McDaniels say a month or two back that he was going to phase out the zone blocking scheme and run more of what he's used to?

Much like you guys, I ignore polls that don't make my team look good...

Anyway, Denver's trio ranked 32? Whatever...

He said he was going mix in a few of the Patriots running plays that didn't use the ZBS scheme. But the only offensive coaches he kept was our offensive line coach and our RB coach.

Georgia has used the ZBS for years, Knowshon is the third RB we have drafted from Georgia the past 14 years.

Gotta say, those rankings are nearly as ****ed as Homo 2724.

Your telling me! They have us 15th, it's like they didn't even take into account the Cassel trade. We should be top 5 at least!!!!

Ouch.

http://aura1.gaia.com/photos/9/87246/large/Ouch.jpg

All I said was Knowshon will average at least 5.0 YPC this season. Then one of your Chiefs fans said I was crazy.

Orton didn't have anyone to throw the ball to last year. Devin Hester was his number 1 receiver and he is a converted CB. Hester would be a 4th or 5th string WR here.

Knowshon can do everything Forte can do and was a better back coming out of college than Forte. Knowshon is the most complete RB to come out since LT.

This dupe just jumped the shark.

ROFL

Nicely done.

Pittsburgh is too high, they have a QB group of 1.
Texans should be higher. Grossman as your 3rd stringer is pretty good.
Giants should be higher as well.
Jags are too high

LJ Bowe Brian Waters and Branden Albert would start for Denver.

So would Matt Cassel. Which is the whole reason McDaniels tried to acquire him.

Albert would not likely be LT, but he'd probably at least start at RT or guard. Waters is a 4 time pro bowl guard. Bowe would start over Eddie Royal and his 10.8 yards per catch.

LJ is a proven workhorse back, he'd start over a rookie.

must not have been good enough. still searching for a rb that can carry the team since there isn't a QB on the team.

Yeah he impressed the shit out of me in Chicago.
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I wouldnt be surprised if he averaged 5/carry, hes a solid back and Denvers line is a good one. But I doubt very highly he is anywhere near a league leader in the Perkins-Ernhart spread system Josh is installing.

His ability to block blitzing linebackers and to sell fakes and recieve dump offs and turn them into big gains will dictate his success in the offense alot more than his consistant ability to run between the tackles as Forte did. If he misses a couple key blocks on a player like Shawne Merriman or Derrick Burgess, or any of the other premier pass rushers he will have to help the team block, you will be posting some homer shit that you are better off with Simms anyway.

Hester was never really a cb atMiami, he played many positions including wr. He never had a home position and thats the biggest reason he slipped a bit in the draft.

I look for a couple wrs in chicago to "come out of nowhere" now that they have a real nfl qb throwing the ball. Similar to when Brees first went to NO.

Good qbs make recieving corps better. They take 4th rounders and make them weapons. Cutler was one of those, Orton isnt.

blind homerism is a disease

Part time players at RB averaging 5+ yards a carry isn't all that unusual.

You realize that Terrell Davis only averaged 5+ yards in only one season, and that Jim Brown is the only RB in NFL history to average over 5 yards a carry for the course of his career.

I love you Komodo24/7. Don't let 'em **** with ya. Can I by you a drinkie poo?

Blind homerism is a disease

15 is taking into account the Casel trade, I assure you.

Without Cassel we would likely have a 25-32 ranking here.

I like TT, I do, but he only won 1 start.

I know the d sucked, and all the rest of the bigger reasons we lost, but he didnt exactly light the world on fire in the fourth (and most important to qbs) quarter and lead us on game winning drives.

Not saying either that he doesnt have what it takes to do so in the future, either.

I think 15 is generous, at this point, my friend!

Yeah once he leaves Denver he will.

Also, the 32 in 32 list is just one opinion. NFL Live guessed the Chiefs will be the Miami Dolphins. Big whoop about predictions. The Broncos are a joke. They haven't played a game yet and they're having the worst off-season in the NFL. They fired a former SB coach for a guy who came in and pretty much shipped out one of the best QB's in the league.

Since you like to impress us with your 5.0 YPC guarantee--I'm willing to guarantee the Donkies finish LAST in the division.

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This WAS meant to be a joke right?

OH SNAP!!!!! Nice!!!:clap:

I'm writing this down Farzin. Good stuff.

Moreno is a versatile back with outstanding quickness and elusiveness, and he gives the Broncos another weapon in the passing game with his exceptional hands and underrated route-running. With Josh McDaniels' preference for spread formations, Moreno could emerge as a playmaker in his first season.

Positives: Tight-skinned athlete with good overall musculature. Good quickness to the hole. Reads the defense and anticipates where the hole, including cutback lanes, will appear. Exceptional lateral quickness and elusiveness in tight quarters. Very rarely tackled by the first defender. Good acceleration past the initial wave of defense and into the secondary. Good spin and stiff arm, and has phenomenal leaping ability to jump over tacklers. Attacks the line of scrimmage and is a tougher interior runner than given credit for. Can drop his shoulders and has good leg drive. Runs through a lot of tackles due to his competitive drive and toughness. Keeps his legs churning and will spin away from tackles. Soft hands for the reception. Natural receiver who poses intriguing possibilities to be split out wide. Good quickness and effort as a route-runner; isn't just a threat on dump-offs in the flat or screens. Provides a pop in pass protection. Extreme competitor who can put the team on his shoulders. Wants the ball with the game on the line.

Negatives: Questionable top-end speed. Lacks the prototype size and bulk some teams are looking for in a bell-cow runner.
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http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profil...ayers-analysis

ROFL my bad I forgot to put my :) at the end. That was sarcasm of course.

Orton is underrated. He is not the best QB in the league, but he can get the job done. He is a proven winner.

Everybody here was laughing at me last year when I said that Cutler and Marshall would become elite.

Other teams were paying rent for all the time they were spending in Cutler's head.

Cutler isn't elite.

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thats what Im talking about man...Cutler is FAR from elite.

Stop being such a huge homer!

Jake Plummer was a better qb by this point in careers (third year)...was he elite? He took a bad team to the playoffs and won once there. Cutler took a good team and never improved it.

Orton will never be elite, not even a chance! He can be a great backup, as Thigpen is, but he is a career -55% passer and if it werent for a tremendously talented defense, would not have a win loss record as he does. Cutler will likely be a 12 game winner there with that d and oline. But as his history shows, his diabetes will take over in crucial situations late in the season and he will NEED his defense/running game to cover up his crucial mistakes.

If a qb losses all of his playoff clinching games in hio career (that # is up to like 5 now for Cutler) and by the end of year three as a starter hasnt lead his team to the playoffs, he simply IS NOT ELITE!

Josh Mcd wanted Cassel over him, doesnt that tell you something???

People probably laughed when you surely said Plummer, Brister, Griese and every other previous qb after Elway would be elite too.

thats because its dumb

keep it up though, its good for a laugh!

By this time next year, we´ll have tp hit you with a lead pipe to get Sam Bradfords cock out of your mouth!!

SHUT UP DONKEY BOY. I HATE DENVER

I don't know why people argue the Moreno point he is 99% certain to be the easy offensive rookie of the year, and saying you'd take LJ over him is sad, a 30 year old RB with major carries an attitude problem over a guy who's considered a team player that's in his early 20s?

There are lots of things wrong with Denver, their defense blows, they're going to rely on Kyle Orton which is a crapshoot, Brandon Marshall is a reerun, but Knowshon Moreno is going to be damn good.

I don't think anybody's saying Knowshown' going to be a bust. The issue is this clown who thinks he's going to average over 5 yards per carry and who claims that Forte, one of the most productive backs in 2008, was a liability in the Bears' backfield. That's the issue.

And for the record, saying he'll be OROY is nothing to get excited about. This is a shitty draft class, given that it's hard to see any QBs, WRs, or RBs having impressive seasons in 2009.

If I was picking I'd take him over Forte, I think he's more complete and he also doesn't have a reconstructed ACL in one of his knees.

and he will be running behind a very good oline

I wouldnt be shocked if he did win oroy, but he has to get the carries in that perkins ernhart spread, which is hard to do, and stay healthy, which no Denver rb could last year to do so.

You also have to take into account that their defense will be giving up points left and right, which will put them in alot more passing situations, taking away his carries.
Health could be the biggest issue in reguards to immediate success, also if Marshall is traded, that takes alot more first downs out of the equasion.

no doubt he will be good though...

Leinhart and Bush didn't fare so well.

how the hell are the Panthers #5?

Anyone think Denver might pick up Griese if hes released and he wins the starters job? Hell, I wouldnt mind him competing with Thigpen, better him than glass-man

Bowe, Albert, Waters, and LJ would all start for NE.

And you mention McDaniels over Belicheck? LMAO

What do they have to do with Moreno?

Bowe wouldn't start over Welker, he might be on the outside when they run 3 WR sets, but Welker would be the No. 2 when they go with 2 WR's. Albert and Waters might... But it's not like NE's offensive line sucks or anything. LJ isn't that much better than Fred Taylor is now.

Belicheat is a defensive minded coach. McDaniels had more to do with Cassel's success than Belicheat did, he was the QB coach before he became the offensive coordinator.

Hester 4th or 5th string?! LMAO

He's as good as Eddie Royal...he will prove that this year...he has the ability to be Steve Smith light if he can get it together mentally.

Didn't want to start a new thread
 

From the Antonio Cromartie chat http://chat.nfl.com/front/archived_chat/318
Dan, Kansas City, KS
04:17 PM ET
Do you think you'll be able to stop the Chiefs' pass game even with Cassell in your division?

Antonio Cromartie, San Diego Chargers
They never had a passing game. They don't even have Gonzalez.

LMAO

Danny, Germany
04:37 PM ET
What makes it so hard to cover Dwayne Bowe. You always seem to have a hard time against him.

Antonio Cromartie, San Diego Chargers
Dwayne Bowe only has two catches on me in two years, so I've never had a hard time against him.

This whole post is dumb as hell!!!

just dont post again till you get smarter...please...your dumb hurts civilization

With Haley seeming to be the type of coach to use specific motivational tools to get more out of his players (like making them earn the KC arrow for their helmet, and giving them early exit from the ota when they pass his physical) I would imagine he has a quote like this to place on every member of the passing ga.es locker for Charger weeks.

We USED AC in both games.

If you're gong to throw out predictions(99%) throwing out some track record is fair game.

Didn't Bowe bend the Charger secondary over and completely own them his rookie year in the game the Chiefs won in S.D.?

The Bears defense has been remarkably average since Lovie fired Ron Rivera.

Is that the vaunted Zone Blocking Scheme Scheme?

You shouldn't comment about stuff you know nothing about. Welker isn't a #2 receiver. He's a slot receiver. His bread-and-butter is getting underneath the coverages or taking a short outside hitch route and stretching it for a lot of YAC. He would NOT compete with Dwayne Bowe, who is more of a traditional #2 WR. Bowe would compete with Jabar Gaffney, and he would easily win that job.

As for your second comment, you are proving your idiocy every day by first discrediting Tom Brady and then discrediting Bill Bellichick. I hate them both, but they are the best QB and coach in the game... period. And even your own fellow Broncos fans will call you out for being an idiot on that point. It occurs to me that Charlie Weis received a ton of credit for tutoring Tom Brady. Then he goes to Notre Dame, and suddenly, he has no idea how to run an offense. Isn't it interesting that three of Bellichick's coaches have gone on to another team and failed (Weis, Mangini, Crennel). Tells you a lot about how good Bellichick is, doesn't it.

Based on potential, yes. But Moreno has to play to a high level to actually outperform Forte. Because that's the point that's being made here.

The original argument was that Orton would be far more successful in Denver because he has Moreno as opposed to Forte. Most people are arguing that, if Moreno is better at all, it wouldn't be by much. It's not like we're talking about Moreno replacing Kolby Smith as the starter. The argument wasn't about who we'd rather have as a long-term RB option. If we're talking about how they perform right now, I think it's fairly close to a wash.

That's funny, because if Cutler is elite, than why do you keep insisting that losing him was no big deal?

Lawyered.

everytime i read 'kyle orton is for real', i think of all the times i have watched him play. and then i chuckle.

Elway was the only QB in the history of the NFL who could single-handedly carry teams to wins. If the rookies we drafted are good, we are a much better team with Orton than we were with Cutler.