Rivers pwned by high school QB
 

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http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...urn=nfl,176581

That's funny.

looks like typical Rivers passes-high, low all over the place-he is soo over rated.

ROLF

2008 Stats

312/478 (65.3%) / 4009 Yards / 34 TD / 11 INT / 105.5 Rating

Career

890/1428 (62.3%) / 10697 Yards / 78 TD / 36 INT / 92.9 Rating

Yeah, Overrated.

Not to mention his 36-18 Career Record (incl playoffs)

Coming from the guy who thinks Favre is the greatest QB ever.

LMAO

Lebron got dunked on by a college dude too

get that kid to a Chuck E Cheese's STAT!

:shake:

Eh who cares. 10 bucks says that HS kid can't throw a 20 yd out pattern like Rivers can.

You mean badly?

I bet he can float it up there close to as well.

I'll continue my homerism.

Hes 3 for 3 in Division Championships

I'm pretty sure hes the only QB ever to lead a 4-8 team into the playoffs.

He has a 3-3 Playoff Record and if it wasn't for Marlon Mcree, who knows what it would be.

Rivers has a better playoff record than the Chiefs do as a franchise in the last 25 years...

Rivers has been THE Starter for 3 seasons (he had 2 game starts each in 2004 and 2005 with really nothing productive).

Based on the 3 full seasons though (2006, 2007, 2008), the Chargers are 33-15 in the regular season and 3-3 in the playoffs.

In 2008, the Chargers had just over 1700 yds rushing as a team with 13 TDs... Rivers was forced to make the most passing attempts so far in his career and he did well, topping 4k yards and more than 30 TDs for the first time.

That being said... the team was 8-8.

In 2006 and 2007, the Chargers won 25 games (14 & 11 win seasons) and lost 7.

In those years, LT alone accounted for 1800 and 1400 yard rushing efforts with another 508 and 475 yards receiving. So, 2300 and nearly 1900 combined yards from just LT in those 14 and 11 win seasons.

Let's not forget that in each of those seasons, when LT was going berzerk, they had an additional 700 yards rushing from other players!

So, sure... Rivers played outstanding in 2008 when they needed him to carry the load offensively. But, let's not call him Peyton Manning just yet.

Oh yeah?
Well...

This:


http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/...riversface.jpg

No one can float a simple out pattern like Thigpen or Huard...

I guess you didn't see Rivers play last season.

he's just gotta be better than that HS QB

God that's hideous.(The Pic)

goofy or not.... I would love to see an AFC championship game again.... Shit 1993 was along time ago and even then Montana could only carry Marty so far...

I wasn't calling him Peyton Manning. I was just saying that he's not overrated, like Halfcan said. If anything, his 2008 numbers proved that.

Did you? He is a good QB, but arm strength and out patterns aren't his strong points.

I'm taking him with the 4th pick in my fantasy draft. Sounds high but our league scores QB's and RB's very evenly in points.

:eek:

Had to be basing that of Thigpens play... I could see where one could be confused on QB play after watching that attrocity last year....

Why would they do that?

RB's are a premium in leagues... QB's as well, but no way do you score them closely...

Wouldn't you rather take Manning or maybe even Brady over Rivers?

Hes not overrated, Just a jealous fan trying to act cool... Rivers is better than anything the Chiefs have trotted out other than Green and Montana since 1980...

Not when he is dumping off screens to LT...

Man a few years back, I had both of them... I cleaned house...

Yeah, because pointing out one of Rivers' weakness means you were actually watching Thigpen. Jesus Christ. :rolleyes:

I hear ya... and this is the beauty of sports debates. Some of your commentary has made it appear that SD's success has been thanks to Rivers. My point is that they've had amazing production from the RBs, specifically LT and the defense has been very good... it's not quite all because of Rivers.

His TD/INT ration in 2006 & 2007 was 22/9 and 21/15 ... part of that is they system they ran, but he did explode in 2008 when they couldn't lean on LT and the RBs.

It will be interesting to see what happens in 2009.

Depends on your league's scoring... fantasy football scoring is much more dynamic than it was 10 or even 4 years ago.

Stats are not the end all be all when it comes to QB play, and Rivers is emerging as a tough, gritty leader for that team.

I wouldn't take him before Peyton Manning..........yet.

I get what you are saying, but lets say the Chargers QB for those last couple years was someone like....Doug Flutie or Brodie Croyle....I don't think they would have won as many games.

I bet JC wouldnt over throw the out patterns...

****...

****ing Brodie Croyle is the man, bitch. You best not be talking smack.

The question is, if Croyle is your starter, would they have won as many games with Volek?

ROFL

FYP

I doubt it...

I was one of the biggest Croyle homers on the board, but had to come to the realization that the dude is a glass doll, destined for a insurance job/high school coaching job or an AFL Job... IF the AFL ever comes back...

But then again, SD had and NFL quality line, something Herm failed at assembling here in KC... So who knows...

Again, this is the beauty of the sports debate, especially with individual players in a sport like football.

Stats, one way or another are used to define a player's greatness.

In 2008 and to a degree now, people would point to Cutler's W/L record (17-20 and no playoffs) and say "who cares about how many yards or TDs he throws, he can't win".

Prior to Cutler, people would say "Phhhtt, who cares if Denver is 39 and 15 with Plummer as a QB, with 3 double digit win seasons in a row... he has 47 INTs during that time and is 1-3 in the playoffs".

Orton has a winning record of 21-12 as a starter and has better talent now than he did in Chicago... but, everyone says he will suck.

It's a crazy li'l thing called sports debate... and most people use what best helps their argument at that time.

BS, everyone just thinks that way because of old school FF standards when they first started playing.. It gimps a portion of the league and makes it who ever gets the certain stud player have an advantage..

I run a league, getting ready to expand into another one because people like it that scores the elite WR/QB/RB about evenly.. The owners love it because it keeps the competition up there and the fact that you want to build a complete team.. Not just land the two best RB's in FF..

That's why you have to watch games.

Yep... I'm in a number of leagues, but no longer join leagues that have standard scoring (no PPR, penalites for turnovers, IDP, flex, etc). I hate the generic serpentine draft and generic lineup.

Don't get me wrong, it definitely has its place and is likely still the format for 70% of the leagues out there... but, I need more in my league. I have 1 league that has been around for 12 years that we're slowly tweaking as other owners get more comfortable with new ideas.

Here is the scoring for the league I run....

Offense League Value
Passing Yards 25 yards per point
Passing Touchdowns 6
Interceptions -2
Sacks -1
Rushing Yards 10 yards per point
Rushing Touchdowns 6
Reception Yards 15 yards per point
Reception Touchdowns 6
Return Yards 10 yards per point
Return Touchdowns 6
2-Point Conversions 4
Fumbles -1
Fumbles Lost -2
Offensive Fumble Return TD 6

Kickers League
Field Goals 0-19 Yards 2
Field Goals 20-29 Yards 3
Field Goals 30-39 Yards 4
Field Goals 40-49 Yards 5
Field Goals 50+ Yards 6
Field Goals Missed 0-19 Yards -1
Field Goals Missed 20-29 Yards -1
Field Goals Missed 30-39 Yards -1
Field Goals Missed 40-49 Yards -1
Field Goals Missed 50+ Yards -1
Point After Attempt Made 1
Point After Attempt Missed -1

Defense/Special Teams
Sack 2
Interception 4
Fumble Recovery 3
Touchdown 6
Safety 5
Block Kick 3
Points Allowed 0 points 14
Points Allowed 1-6 points 10
Points Allowed 7-13 points 7
Points Allowed 14-20 points 3
Points Allowed 21-27 points 0
Points Allowed 28-34 points -1
Points Allowed 35+ points -4

What kind of lineups do you like?

Each year we tweak our league... we started this league in 2003 and every year we make it better and better...

Its a family league, keeps everyone interested all year long...

Weird... are you suggesting that I don't know what I'm talking about?

I'm merely throwing out a few examples of how stats have been used around here. I get the notion that you have to see the player perform within the team to get to the real meat of the debate, but as you know... not everyone participating in the debates communicated their opinion rationally.

I've become a fan of the dynasty league with salary/contract caps for each team. I'm starting one up with friends this year, the initial draft will be 27 rounds... heavy on IDP and the scoring is pretty complex.

Rosters have to include flex on both sides and the IDP scoring has to be good enough to where you don't view your IDP like many view your Kicker. The contract aspect of it in dynasty really makes you THINK about who you are drafting, picking up. There are penalties for dropping players under contract, etc...

It's definitely not for everyone.

I like having scoring for just about everything available on both sides of the ball... I like the QB/RB/WR/WR/TE with 2 flex spots that could be RB/WR/TE along with the K and then another 6 IDP spots, including 1-2 flex.

I'm a sicko though...

Damn that is to intense for my league... Crap some of my uncles can barely use a computer...

We keep it basic but fun for everyone...

I came in to post about Philip Rivers and a Fantasy Football league broke out.

Damn that's a high scoring league. 1 point per 10 yards? That's too low for me. In the league I run we have it as 25 yard for a point. 50 passing yards per point. That kinds of makes having a good rb more or less equal to having a good qb.

I don't like leagues where the guy with the 2 best rbs is the winner damn near 100%. Hate when the first 15 picks are running backs.

Hell, my 1st pick this year was tom brady.
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Rivers would suck if it were not for Randy Moss ROFL

I would take rivers any day minus his attitude.

Actually the scores werent arent that high each week. There were several items that forced us to adjust our league points and scores..

Problem arose a few years ago when Pittsburg had Bettis as a short down back. Well Parker would get all the yards and the work load, while Bettis was scoring all the tds... Same with Carolina and Delhomme. He would feed the ball down the feild to his backs and end up with 135 yards passing and 3 TD's which was a higher score than someone that put up 400 yards and 1 TD...

Just tried to even the league out and make the players more valuable.

Welcome to the Planet, n00b!:D

No.

Just stating the obvious.

soon as Rivers holds EVERY record then I will give him some props. Half his passes are dump offs to LT , not to mention Gates catches tons of his wobblers. He is a system QB and has had great protection and a incredible running game to keep the D off him.

He is one step up from Leaf talent wise-but just as big of a pussy.

Yep it is ALL Rivers-SD did not have a nasty D? Oh and one of the best RB's of All time??

I don't recall Cry me a Rivers putting the whole team on his shoulders and willing them to win, but I DO recall all the finger pointing after they lost.

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

Ryan Leaf was far more physically gifted than Rivers.

On talent alone, he was the prototypical QB.

But a QB requires more than the physical gifts to compete and excel in the NFL, and Rivers is better by leaps and bounds over that POS Leaf.

All you see from Favre is these big numbers and that gun and you think he's the best ever.

But I see a guy that didn't think, he just figured his physical talent was enough to make things work, and he constantly and consistently put his defense in bad situations and cost that Packer team more games than he won with clutch performance.

There are a bunch of QBs I'd rather have over Favre.

Favre is and always has been a moron on the field.

Here are some other System QBs: Joe Montana, Steve Young, Tom Brady

When did he point fingers, and at whom?

Milkman... just point to this man when trying to define the total package at QB. None of them are perfect and he had some issues along the way... and some may not like the way he made his way to Denver.

But, he had the tools, the talent, the mindset, the heart and the determination to lead others ... it's hard to judge QBs from different eras, but for me Elway was the definition of greatness. There are 2-4 QBs that you could stake claim to that title and they all have their merits, but I'll take this one.

Yep, I'm making an unexpected left turn in this thread... enjoy. :evil:

http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum...-elway_301.jpg

http://espn.go.com/i/abcsports/mnf/2.../s_elway_i.jpg

http://www.talkingfantasyfootball.co...9/01/elway.jpg

Don't pay any attention to him Buck.

It suck to live life as clueless as he is.

horse face? not even in the top ten

ROFL

:) Right...

As much as I hate Elway, I would never disparage anyone making that argument.

I would take Montana, but Elway would be in the discussion.

I like you can, but good grief, you are a ****ing moron.

Yeah - Montana and Elway are typically the two most discussed...

why is everyone clueless if they disagree with you? You dont own EVERY record by being a moron on the field or be the ALL TIME leader in QB wins by losing more then winning for your team.

Brett has played through countless injuries and is ALWAYS there to lead his team-how many QB's have came and went since he started his streak. Its more than stats with Brett- it is fire, heart, and passion for the game-why I respect him. He has earned a chance to decide when he is done and not be forced out by some dumbass GM.

I agree; I want's my Favre as a Vike entertainment, and I shall not be denied.

So are you going to answer my question?

Who did Rivers point his finger at after a loss?

Not everyone who disagrees with me is clueless.

why because I don;t like horse face. I will NEVER give him his due, EVER. What was his win % at Arrowhead??? We kicked his horseface ass every time he came here. Fug him and his car dealerships.

and yes there are ten better QB's.

If it wasn't for Ovensprayed Olinemen, T Davis and cheatin the cap-Horseface wouldn't have those rings.

Oh, and the pack "forced" him out because they got tired of him playing them every offseason.

That shit gets old and they decided it was time to move forward.

They did the right thing.

ROFL please you think ANyone that has a different opinion is a clueless dumbass.

That is your ace in hole every time I disagree with you-but I have Never once made it personal with you.

That is called Class my friend. :)

Elway, pre Davis, did more with less than any other QB ever has.

Favre, on the other hand did less with more than Elway ever had.

I'm still waiting Halfcan

Aaron Rodgers did very well last year. If their defense can step up and play well this season,I think they could win the NFC North.

Rivers has had plenty of outburst-I bet you could find them on Youtube. He probably had a tantrum after that kid beat him. :)

I value your opinion-but you root for the Chargers and me a better team-lol

I will never give ANY props to a rival-EVER. LT would be the only exception-because he is about as classy as you can get-plus all his charity work-that would be like baggin on Santa.

If you can find one good thing I have said about the Cheatin Donks, the Faders, or the SD-I will give you rep. They suck, and that is just how it is. :D

Enjoy:

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com...rterbacks.html

Oh please-what did Brett have in the early years?? They built the whole team around him.

Horseface had Plenty of INT's as well-many at Arrowhead.

What did Horseface do in the SB before TD?? SUCKED ASS!!! Donks got smoked.

Ouch! No horsey.