Cassel Vs Sanchez
 

Also known as the Chiefsplanet Civil War. I made this thread not to talk smack but to compare how each player plays. Sanchez looked great tonight despite missing half of the Jets O-line.

It's early but he's pretty advanced for a rookie QB.

Yeah, this thread won't degenerate into a pissing match.

That said, knowing that Sanchez played really well (based on my fellow Planeteers' comments in the game thread, since I was outside working when the game started), makes me a bit sick.

Well you'd think we could discuss it in some sort of civil manner they both have pros and cons.

I was pro-Cassel and Pioli is the guy I wanted but if you miss on a franchise QB one would have to question. It's all early but I will give props to Sanchez he certainly didn't look like a rookie. Only thing that could be a negative was he would celebrate everytime the Jets made a 1st down, I don't like emotional QB's.

That's him though, he was like that in college and part of that fire he has is what makes his teammates love him.

I want to see what that emotion is like when things aren't going right. I don't know if he ever lost 2 games in a row at USC but certainly the Jets will and I want to see how he handles that. He'll probably be the starter Clemens is like a young Damon Huard.

The thing is no matter what happens I don't think Sanchez will ever lose confidence himself.

from what i saw of pats games last year, Cassel was pretty emotional as well

Why are we comparing the two? One plays in the AFC east and the other one plays for the Chiefs.

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This is the question that is going to linger for years...everyone should get use to it.

The answer to it may make or break the Chiefs.

because we could have either, so we will find out soon if Pioli made the right choice, of course they could both be very good or bad.

It must have been BRUTAL here when Elway, Marino, and Kelly were lighting it up.
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It should have been, decisions like that make or break you.

Wait a minute. We will NOT know soon. That's not fair to either QB. Based on that thinking Leinhart and Young were great picks and Mario Williams was a colossal mistake.
Try to give it more than 10 minutes before declaring a victor.
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LOL if you judge early Cassel is probably more likely to be the one who does better early.

Well either way its not fair to declare a winner too soon.
Again, if in 2006 someone told you where Young, Leinhart, and Vick would be right now...
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Bullshit.

I wanted Sanchez, but we got Cassel, so I'm going to root as hard as I can for Cassel.

In a few years, if Sanchez lights it up and Cassel isn't what Pioli hopes he'll be, I'll bitch about it.

On the other hand, if Cassel is the man, I'll give the Don his due.

That's basically where it sits, in some ways the Cassel move will always be tied to Sanchez.

Uh the first preseason game.....yeah Oakland is wayyyy better than Dallas. Yeah lets roll with this line of thinking LMAO

This.

It's kinda of funny. Carl the King sucks. Pioli the Don rules. Hated and loved for the same style.
Carl is made fun of for the same traits Pioli is pole sucked for.

Why? Were the Chiefs going to draft Sanchez if the didn't get Cassel?

Uh probably unless you wanted Tyler Thigpen...

Basically they'll be tied because Sanchez was the QB there at the Chiefs pick they chose Cassel over Sanchez, it'll bear out if it was the right move or not so they'll be tied together.

Tyson Jackson will figure in but he's a very marginal piece to whether you were right or not on QB.

Probably? I don't know if they were ever intrested in Sanchez. So I don't think there is any link between the two.

If we didn't acquire Cassel and our FO wasn't interested in Sanchez, they would be the dumbest collection of executives in the league.

So you're saying that if they hadn't traded for Cassel they weren't gonna get a QB?

They'll always be tied together much like for Lions fans they'll be tied together. If Stafford bombs and Sanchez is good they'll ponder the same things.

Why? maybe they didn't want to start with a rookie. If they did why even bother with Cassel?

What other legit option was there?

Thigpen and/or Croyle don't fit this description.

Sanchez was a great prospect. I'm frankly amazed that this isn't a consensus opinion on here. This doesn't mean he'll excel in the league, but it's pretty difficult to question the kid's skill set and intangibles.

After starting 1 young QB and having it result in horrible things it seems a portion of our fan base had had enough of that and was ready to go back to vets.

It's because Messier didn't think Sanchez was any good, so if he didn't think he was good, surley Pioli and Haley thought the same.

Who was this young QB? Does Croyle qualify? Don't you have to play at least one full game to be classified as a QB?

Seriously, anyone who couldn't see that the Croyle experiment was going to fail was either Herm or a homer.

Brodie has always been hurt. HS, college, his first training camp as a n00b. WTF else did you need for evidence?

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Um dude saying Brodie Croyle was injury prone and destined to fail because he was made of glass caused people to freak out.

I completely understand someone wanting to go in a different direction and not take Sanchez. Cool. Pioli thought the same thing, obviously.

But to deny Sanchez's high quality as a prospect is pretty ridiculous.

I don't know, a trade? I'm not really saying I know what they would have done, all I'm saying is taking Sanchez wasn't necessarily their back up plan, and therefore those two shouldn't be automatically linked.

Thigpen would make that throw 1 out of every 10 tries.

I don't know if Sanchez will be good. Do you know Pioli and Haley had him next in line if they couldn't get Cassel?

Those 3 QB's at the top will forever be linked....for the Lions it's all 3...for the Chiefs it's 2 and for the Jets it's this guy is it or it didn't work out.

If Sanchez ends up being the guy that's the best both Chiefs and Lions fans will talk about the blunder of 09.

I would certainly hope so...

Passing on a big prospect is always of note for every team. As Mecca mentioned, Detroit and St. Louis fans will have the very same discussions if some player who went just a few picks later, and thus SHOULD have been on everyone's radar, turns into a stud.

It's just the nature of the draft. It's fun to second guess and play the what if game. Everyone knows who the top prospects are; it's no secret that Stafford and Sanchez were studs coming out of college.

LOL i mean a 2 or 3 years

If they didn't at least seriously discuss the possibility of drafting Sanchez, our entire FO should have been fired yesterday.

I forgot the Rams but yes they'll have that convo too...so will the Seahawks.

That's just the nature of the draft either you made the right decision or you didn't. It becomes more glaring for the Lions and Chiefs fans because they choose a different QB.

Thanks mecca.

I got in from work after Sanchez had already finished his time in the game and hadn't seen that.

You can see him go quickly through his progressions, make a quick decision, and throw a perfectly placed pass.

Impressive.

It's a really nice play especially for a rookie QB, he looks off the safety even does a pump to hold him before throwing it down the field.

And he's damn near in his own endzone, where a lot of QBs start to wet themselves...

Sure, I'll bet they would have talked about it. I'll bet they talked about the QB's in the draft and weighed their options before the Cassel deal.

And we'll see if they were right or wrong, that's basically how this goes.

I'd much prefer they be right I don't want the Chiefs to suck for 5 more years.

Whether or not they had him in their sights as the backup plan, the fact is, he was available at 3, even if they hadn't traded for Cassel, and they still passed up Sanchez, if he turns out to be a top 5 QB, if Cassel fails, Chiefs fan will look at the failure to draft Sanchez as a failure by this front office.

Let's see what Cassel does tommorow like I said all he has to do this year is prove he's a leader.

Yet another link between the Chiefs and Lions.

Bottom line is this, as a Chiefs fan I want Cassel to do well. I want him to be better than Sanchez, why wouldn't I? If Cassel does well that most likely means the Chiefs are doing well. I really don't care how good or bad Sanchez is, he isn't on my team. I don't plan to go game by game this season judging the signing of Cassel based on Sanchez.

For the sake of argument, it's always easier to pass on the n00b QB in the court of public perception, especially in KC. "Too risky." "Big cap hit." Etc., etc. In some ways, far safer to bring in the "experienced" player, which we all know is somewhat disingenuous when describing Cassel.

Pioli and co. took a huge risk. A different kind of risk, but huge nonetheless, so...we'll see.

Bottom line, I want Cassel to do well, but the fact is, you are burying your head in the sand, so to speak.

I hope there's a spot I can reserve there, too, if Sanchez lights it up.

This is starting to remind me of when Denise became a Raider fan after falling in love with Gannon. Now we get to hear about what the Jets do every week. :Lin:

Didn't know they talked football in DC...

Whoaa...she went from being a Chief fan to being a Raider fan?

???

I hope they both do well that would probably be the best scenario for me personally...I'm not going to wish ill upon Sanchez.

Just joking.

She rarely appears in the lounge.

No.

The difference is that I, in time, will only be interested in how Sanchez does compared to Cassel.

I won't be rooting for the Jets.

I won't be going to sports bars just so I can see him play.

I won't be lamenting, week in and week out, that he wasn't drafted by the Chiefs.

In 10 years if Cassel isn't the man, and Sanchez is, I'll rant about it a couple of times, but that will be the extent of it.

How do you mean?

And anyway even if someone who is a Chiefs fan hopes Sanchez does well, who cares about that?

Some of my favorite players in the league don't play for the Chiefs.

He's basically saying acting like Sanchez isn't relevant to the situation is burying your head in the sand.

You're a smart individual.

I'm sure you can figure it out.

From a perception point of view, Cassel was the bigger risk for Pioli. Nobody would question him if he had gone with a blue chip rookie. If the rookie fails, that's what some of them do. Bad break, better luck next time.

But bypassing the rookie in favor of Cassel makes a statement. You are shunning all the superstar potential that comes with a blue-chip rookie and saying that this guy that came out of relative obscurity and had one decent -- not outstanding -- season has much better potential.

I hope it pays off, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't nervous about looking back on this in 5 years with regret.

Different situations- Cassel has one receiver that should be starting in the NFL and he just got demoted to third string. The right side of his line, from center out, will probably be avg to shit. You can't make a fair comparison.

It's about more than 1 year....no one should be making judgments after 1 season.

Also in case you haven't noticed the Jets have ass WR's also.

I agree that it's the bigger risk, but not the perception part.

Depends whom you're talking about. You're speaking as an educated football fan who understands that this was a HUGE decision for Pioli to pass on the n00b. The average fan, IMO, would always say drafting a rookie would be far riskier.

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[QUOTE=Mecca;5973518]It's about more than 1 year....no one should be making judgments after 1 season. [/QUOTE

Agreed, but you know the Sanchez supporters will be saying "I told you so" if Sanchez has more success than Cassel this year.

I guess I really don't consider Sanchez a "what could have been" guy. Maybe, if in five years Sanchez is going to his third pro bowl, and Cassel is no longer even the starter for the Chiefs I might have that momentary thought of, Ooo, that would have been nice. But not now and not even after this season.

[QUOTE=Goldmember;5973535]Well, if a rookie QB steps in and has immediate success, it would be a stretch to think that he won't continue to develop into a star player.

Are there too many ATL fans wishing they had someone other than Matt Ryan?

Edit: Hmm...the quote is ****ed. I was responding to Goldmember, not Mecca.

I don't think it's riskier in this market, fans here were conditioned that vets are better than rookies especially at the QB position. The 1 time we tried to go young it resulted in abysmal failure.

I think general KC fan feels more comfortable with Matt Cassel than they would have drafting a QB just because of personal experience.

I remember he made a throw like that against penn st...almost looked like the same play.
It was a deep sideline pattern and one of the replays showed the play from the endzone.Beautiful touch on a pass where there was like 3 feet between the receiver and the sideline and he laid in a nice catch able ball.

Right. That was what I was trying to say about the perception part.

In reality, it was riskier, but in this market, most fans think we made the "smart" (read: safer) decision.

Pretty much, this market is very weird at times.

9-7 is ok, people are passionate etc but taking a risk that may mean the team isn't great for a few years causes people to flip out.

This market doesn't have the stomach to really let a young QB sink or swim.