Do we have the worst 53 man roster in football?
 

I keep looking over our roster and honestly its making me sick. I was really excited about this season, but my God we may not even win 2 games!!! We are severely lacking talent. Pollard and Lelie were not great by any means, but with this roster we couldnt afford to drop them. Hope the $350 i paid for Sunday Ticket was worth it...

Look at it this way.......we can only get better from here on.

if it is, it wont be for very long, we are now in good hands

You're still just butt hurt over Pollard. He's one player on a secondary that's kind of suspect anyway. Did that cut surprise me? Yes! But this team is going to be more about being a team rather than have a few guys that are talented that don't fall in line.

Cutting Pollard was ****ing stuped !!!!!!

****ing Haley has gotten rid of our #1 receiver and now our #1 tackler !!!!!

And cutting Lelie to keep copper was also ****ing stuped!

What in the hell are they thinking!!!!!!

Is that funeral music in the background? Well hell, at least the AFC West games will be pretty amusing ....

so im guessing you miss Herm and Carl

Yep. If not the worst 53 man roster, we're certainly close to it. There is no doubt we will be picking in the top 3 in the draft this year. I think that Pioli & Co. really blew it by not going after O-linemen this off season to improve what has been one of the worst O-lines in the NFL for a couple of seasons. Honestly, if they win more than 2 games this year, I'll be surprised. Maybe Haley is gonna cut 22 more players and get their replacements off the street in order to win more than 2 games. We'll see...:shake:

Having said tha, Pollard needed to go. I would have liked Lelie to have made the team only if he woulc have fulfilled his potential, but it really doesn't matter because the team is terrible with or without them. It's all about seeing "some" type of improvement this season rather than wins and losses. Didn't we say that last season too?

I really don't get all the anger over cutting a marginally talented dumbass and a dumbas that has never done anything with the God given talent he had.

But, what the hell.

Carry on.

You are truly reeruned if you think Pollard was worth keeping on this team. That douchbag would never wrap up on a tackle.

I think you need to revisit this thread and watch Claythan's gif's.
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...ht=Bonecrusher

That sums up Pollard's career. All of those missed tackles in one freakin game. I would of cut him on the spot.

You couldn't figure out it was going to be bad before now? Big F'n deal, they got rid of a career underachiever in Lelie and a safety who misses too many tackles and is a liablility in coverage. From what I've read on here, Harris is the only one I care about losing, because many think he played very well for a rook.

NO!!!!!!!!!!!! DEFINITELY NOOOOO!!!!!!!

But trading Gonzo and cutting Pollard were BAD decisions!

HE WAS THE LEADING TACKLER ON THE ****ING TEAM!!!!

And he never had a coach that tried to correct his ability to wrap up because Herm was a dumbass!

It's the roster of a 1 or 2 win football team.

Yes.

Meh

We were going to suck this yr no matter what 53 we kept.

I thought 4-12 before the season and I'm sticking with 4-12 with this 53.

I don't care. Go look at those gif's and come back here and tell me he deserves a spot on this team. He is a liability in the secondary and will cost us games.

Well, I'd say that 23-48 has to be among the worst in the league, but I guess they are the "right" ones, and that's what we are told is the formula. I just hope we bring in some OL with coachability and upside, because our line is without a doubt the worst I've ever seen since I've been a fan.

If you break it down by area:

DL: A good deal of talent and upside, but Dorsey doesn't fit this scheme and probably isn't long for KC. Jackson and Magee are going to be your starters for a while. Beyond those two, there really is nothing of note on the line.

LB: We've gotta have the worst LB corps in the league...here we go again...again. McBride will probably be cut shortly, Hali is a 4-3 LE who just doesn't have the flexibility or hips to drop into coverage, Vrabel is pretty much a pass rushing specialist at this point, DJ is a will backer in a 4-3, and the ted backers are ok.

S: Morgan is a very talented player with a lot of upside, but I've always been high on him; others won't be so forgiving. Page is meh personified. McGraw is just a STer, and Brown can't stay out of the whirlpool.

CB: By far the most talented portion of our team. Flowers is a future PBer, Carr is a solid #2, Leggett is a decent player with talent, and Washington has all the upside you'd want in a CB

QB: Cassel has size, mobility, and he's accurate on the short routes, but he's never demonstrated an ability to make the throws that can stretch a defense (20 yard square in, 16 yard out, skinny post). Doesn't mean he can't, but he needs to prove that he can.

WR: Bowe, and the worst collection of 2-5 in the league. Almost no speed, no upside, and very little size

TE: Cottam has physical tools, but he's more of an athlete than a football player. The other two are pretty much trash

RB: LJ is washed up, but servicable. Charles is a good change of pace, the other two are p. much trash

OL: Unconscionably awful. Albert is a good LT, and the lone bright spot on the line. Waters is a declining player whose deficiencies were covered up by Willie Roaf. Niswanger and Goff are bottom five players at their position. Richardson has upside, but he's more of a LT and he's a little soft. They need to get him to tap into some hatred to play RT. Everyone else is lucky to have a job.

It's just a really, really bad football team with holes all around. Our talent evaluation has been so bad since the early 90's that we've got absolutely nothing.

Pretty much sums it up - especially the OL take and the last paragraph. :doh!:

wow..... some of you guys need to go change your diapers....

we're trying to be 8-8 like all Parcells teams

I prefer the San Francisco way

I think they should forfeit all games now.

LMAO thats a new take on it

Thigpen must be in a frenzy working with such a skeleton crew.

I'm not sure if I would blame Herm for Pollard having to have Gun as his coach. I think CP forced Gun on Herm. ;)

really? you don't like the linebackers?

I think they've improved in that area. Hali looks like he's made a nice transition over to LB, and Mays has been a pleasant surprise? hes had a good camp and played consistently solid throughout the preseason. I've been impressed with him. I think Vrabel even though old, has good play left in him and will offer some good veteran leadership to the team.

I don't think this core is something to oooo and aaaa over, but I think they will play well together as a unit.

I agree with your take on the offensive line. They're just awful. Im concerned about the rightside of the line. Im worried about Cassel, Im afraid he won't get the protection and hate to say it but its gonna be tough for him to succeed. I hope he doesn't get hurt because outside of him the rest of the QBs don't impress me.

Well, Mays will play Ted, and that's the easiest position to play on this defense. He's basically the fullback of the D. He can do a serviceable job there, really anyone of decent size can. I don't know about DJ as the mike. He has a million dollar body and a two cent head, and I think he's like almost every Texas player--soft.

Vrabel can bring some heat from the outside, and Tamba has done better than one would expect, but once teams start to game plan us by pulling the safeties and corners off with deeper routes and forcing the LBs to cover the flats, he's gonna get embarrassed.

The funny thing is that everyone on the board was universally against both the McBride and Pollard picks at the time they were made, and it ended up that we were all right. Just goes to show why you should never reach on your pet projects in round 2, just take the guys who slipped (Flowers).

To answer the question in the OP, yes.

well...

I guess you guys had to be right about something lately.

What moves do you think we can make, or should make to help remedy that this year (without killing ourselves long term)? Honest question, because aside for looking for upside OL, I haven't a ****ing clue.

well we could have traded for seymour. but the raiders stole him from us









:D

oh and i think hamas fell in love yesterday\\edit wrong thread

I'm talking about everyone on the board, you ****ing dumbass. If you don't know what position Seymour plays in a 4-3, you really need to sit the **** down, and shut the **** up, because you're the last dude that needs to call anyone out over anything.

"Thigpen > Palmer"

Jesus Christ.

I stand by my..."Carson Palmer is extremely overrated" stance...

I guess we'll see this year.

I had people over for a fantasy draft last night, spent time after enjoying OU's season ending, and watching the 'Bama game - so I haven't had much time this AM to look over the cuts from other teams.

With that said, the names I have seen that I'd be putting in claims for include AQ Shipley, Kynan Forney, Steve Justice and Jamon Meridith on the OL.

I like Rod Hood as a special teamer.

The problem as I see it is there is nothing worth a shit at WR that can help us, and that's saying a lot considering Terrance ****ing Copper made the team.

what do you think of signing pashos? from jax

Rod Hood? He has been cut by three teams in the last what...month? Why would we cut Bernard Pollard, a special teams ace (or so I thought) for Rod Hood?

First, IMO, the Pollard axing has nothing to do with talent, or lack thereof.

Getting into a pissing match with the coaching staff sealed his fate.

Second, the only real reason I brought him up is that Haley is familiar with him, so bringing him in wouldn't shock me in the least. And IMO, he is better than what we have.

Just because the guy has been cut by teams with a shit-ton more talent than KC doesn't mean he can't help here.

I'd rather take a developmental guy like O'Callaghan. (sp?)

Pashos = McIntosh, IMO

Copper was kept as the special teams guy. I think Lelie was competing with Engram and Bradley for one of the primary reciever roles and when he couldn't beat them out he was cut, because he can't contribute to special teams. I just don't see anything out there at wide reciever right now to bring in and help the team either.

ok and i'm with you on ocallaghanisky sp:D

i think pollard got cut because of his performance against the seahawks

it was a quitter's effort, much like mcintosh against the rams....

i'm sure there was some personal stuff, but when you watch tape of a guy who isn't even competing and just flailing around and sucking ass you have to drop the hammer...

he was dead to me after that game

I was willing to give Pollard another chance this year in a new scheme, but his performance in the Seahawk game was an absolute embarrasment and I'm glad he got cut.

I think adding few veterans on the OL is must. Runyan would be someone I would at least take a look at and if he passes a physical I think a one year contract after the season starts could be in order.

WR is another position we have 0 depth, somebody out there is better than what we're working with period.

I hate seeing Charles returning kickoffs. Having our #2 RB getting tee'd up on isn't a great idea in my opinion. If LJ goes down and Charles gets hurt this could go from bad to pathetic in hurry. We need a return specialist and there's a few out there.

The good news is I think we're set at both kicking positions.

Comments like these are just stupid.

Please, tell us who we could grab that would be an upgrade over what we have.

well marvin harrison hasnt shot anyone this month:D

Bring him in for a look, show the ropes, better than what we have :whackit:...etc

LMAO

has matt jones came down from the coke yet, or is he still drunk from that golf outing 3 weeks ago? if he's clean today....

You should have stopped while you were ahead.

While Pashos is nothing to write home about, comparing him to McIntosh is akin to comparing a wrench to a pen with no ink.

If you want to hammer a nail, a wrench can get the job done if you don't have a hammer, while the pen with no ink is absolutely ****ing useless in every conceiveable way.

Can't even ****ing write a note to someone to get you a ****ing hammer.

Ok your not going to like this but Tyree is an upgrade. Problem is that he'll want starter money and will have to practice his way into the starting line-up. Even if Pioli gets us some WR help he'll have to break-up the Haley-Copper lovefest first.

i know i couldnt out that one together as wellROFL

Actually, I do like it, and didn't know for sure he had been cut.

He's a better WR and ST player than Copper, and I'd have no problem making that swap.

Now, who's out there that can really make a difference?

well if your airway is cut off you could shove the pen through your throat to breathe. i saw it on a movie once.

He's not a starting wide reciever caliber player. He's a special teams guy that would be competing for Copper's spot, so if he wants that role...ok

Yeah, movies are so realistic, aren't they?

I want to see the dumb**** that would actually try to do that to himself.

Guess I'll have to watch the obits for that, and the next QB that McIntosh is trying to protect.

LMAO

yep both are destined for the same thing

David Patten might be a guy I would take a look at. 1 Year contract only.

Branch is another I would look into if the price was right.

I don't believe the 53 man roster is finall yet.

Are you just upset that 23 players that Hermie bought in, the three years he was here, are gone now?

That is one more then the 22 off the street that can win two games this year. :evil:

I chuckled

I think you could stab your eyes out with it after you looked at the depth chart.

ROFL

So letting Damion McIntosh protect your QB is like stabbing your eyes out with and inkless pen?

I think that's where I was going with that, yes.
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I don't really see the surprise here. First of all, I doubt that this is the final roster. Second, this team had the worst roster in the NFL last year. If it happens again this year, it's just more of the same.

Fixing a flat tire will take a few minutes. Cleaning up after a 10.6 earthquake in southern California will take a hell of a lot longer.

This team isn't just a flat tire kind of problem.

On the other hand, the Raiders may just be a problem on the "War of the Worlds" scope.

:thumb:

You definitely have a point, but at the same time, the team spent 100 million dollars on 2 players this off-season and we still have the worst roster in the league, primarily because we offered no protection or insurance for 60 of that 100 million.

Even with the shit salad we had last year, the overweight players, lack of discipline, etc, the team really would have won 5-6 games with a marginally competent coaching staff on game day.

We blew two huge leads against SD and Tampa at home and should have beaten the Jets and San Diego on the road.

I think that the FO has the right idea in terms of trying to build on the D-Line and securing the QB who they think can lead this team. Unfortunately, I wish that we had considered protecting said QB rather than making redundant picks in rounds 3 and 4.

I don't want to revisit the O-line thing too much, because it's really been dealt with before, but since you brought it up:

Mecca wanted the team to take Meredith instead of Brown. Meredith got cut. It's the nature of the beast that taking offensive linemen in the later rounds is not likely to help in that player's rookie season. You may have had other options in mind, but drafting O-linemen outside of the top round or two for help in year 1 is a very bad way to go about things. The team did take Brown, and he 'earned' a spot on the IR, which is more than Meredith managed to pull off in Green Bay.

The problem has been that the attempts to address the o-line haven't been successful. Goff has looked slow, for example. But Pioli isn't going to overspend, so top flight players aren't going to come to K.C. until the team can show that it's really turning things around. It's like pulling a heavy object. The energy required to get it moving and up to speed is more than the energy required to keep it going.

Meredith got cut by a team with outstanding O-Line depth.

Is it too ****ing hard to understand?
A team with depth cuts the kid.
A team with nothing but absolute crap doesn't.

If he's drafted by the Chiefs, he would have had a very good chance to make this team, and taking an OT who has zero upside at RT in Brown over an actual OT prospect in Meredith is still a ****ing stupid draft choice.

You're usually a much better poster than this. Come on.

Colin Brown was, for all intents and purposes, cut. They just didn't want him to take up a PS spot in case someone liked him, so they played the system. And this happened on an awful, awful team.

Meredith being cut from GB is a totally different animal. Look at milkman's response.

I think Pioli is making a smart move by not chasing broken down guys like Runyan, but Mike Goff is awful, and trading draft choices for Alleman and Ndukwe, when they were going to get cut anyway and you have waiver priority, doesn't strike me as very wise.

If you look out there, you could give a shot to Schuening, Canfield, Meredith, Cadogan, Shipley, and several other guys out there. If they don't work, it's no loss, but they have the potential and ability to contribute to a solid OL.

No I'm not.

Stupidity always gets me riled, and saying that GB's release of Meredith proves that Brown was a better pick than Meredith is stupid.

Actually, I didn't say that. That's why I responded to you as I did. The stupidity was yours. I was trying to be polite.

So tell me, since I'm stupid, just exactly what you were saying, cause I can only see the implication that it proves Brown was a better choice.

Milkman's response was a weak one, and Brown wasn't cut. Now, the reality is that Brown will have a year to develop himself enough to stick with the team. Whether that will help him or not remains to be seen. If you want to argue odds, you're on your own there, because I couldn't begin to think of a way to make them accurate.

I don't think you got the gist of my post. "For all intents and purposes" is an acknowledgment that he wasn't formally cut, but he wasn't going to make the team so they invented an injury so they could IR him.

As far as "odds", I don't know what you're talking about. If you want me to take odds that one or two of those players I listed will end up as better, cheaper alternatives than Ndukwe, Alleman, Smith, Niswanger, I will definitely take that.

Just a quick question with regards to the league rules. Can Brown practice with the team since he is on the IR list? And what is his injury anyway?

I'm pretty sure he can't practice, but he can do classroom work and film study.