Expect to be disappointed because there will be no talent on this team in the future
 

Im no psychic, and neither do I have a crystal ball in front of me to predict the future. I make my statements clearly based in relation to how this dismal franchise operates. I hate to sound doom and gloom but it is leading towards that because of our football reality.

I don't care if we hired Scott Pioli and hired a coach from the Parcell's tree. This means absolutely nothing. when you really get down to the main core of things, these guys will have no value on this franchise because they ain't the main guys behind the curtain. They're not in full control of football operations, they're not ultimately responsible for calling the shots nor pay the bills. They're just puppets obeying what their master wants from them.

Seriously though, when you get down to it we have a sh*tty owner. Yeah Scott Pioli is who the fans wanted and Clark satisfied our desire in that regard. He comes from New England therefore we should all be excited because he comes from a winner and knows how to put championship teams together right? Im not gonna buy into this. If you really payed close attention the operations around 1 Arrowhead drive haven't changed. The Chiefs are still the same old Chiefs. They operate in the same manner and fashion just like when Herm and Carl were here. Just different men this time around.

Seriously, it shouldn't take a ****n rocket scientist to figure this out. We're being deceived into thinking this team is gonna turn it around and build a winner. we tune in and watch the games every Sunday, and why do we cheer? Because we want good things to happen. We want to win for **** sakes. That's why every fan watches sports and if you for one minute think that you can dodge your way around that, you're only fooling yourself.

I honestly believe these guys are no different then salesmen trying to sell themselves to make you convinced why you should buy their product. Seriously, Im tired of this ****n sh*t!! When Herm was here, they signed these ****n castoffs from other teams, and as fans were lead into believing that what they were doing was right. How many times do you recall Herm say the best teams on paper don't win? As a result, they went out and signed trash...It is evident when you see them sign guys like Alphonso Boone, Damion McIntosh, an old Donnie Edwards, Adrian Jones...And these guys are players other teams didn't even consider keeping.

Then, this time around, new regime, BUT, now were being told the team with the best players don't win. you have to have the "RIGHT" 53 players?! Well, **** off! This is clearly a ploy. Its a total cover up for an owner who is ****n cheap and doesn't wish to spend the money. What's gonna be the excuse? Clark isn't spending the money because he is devoting it towards stadium renovations. Gimme a break. If we take a close look at the off-season we signed 2nd and 3rd tier players who aren't gonna make a difference or impact your team in any sort of way. And it's the same sh*t they sign "old" guys or injury riddled players who clearly aren't what they used to be.

You can't take other teams scraps and expect to build a good team? That is my point. The saying is true, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t. There is no excuse for this bullsh*t that is going on. None. They've clearly had opportunties to upgrade the talent on the roster and what did they do? They were there usual passive selves. They waited waited and signed scraps, while the good talent was there they didn't cash in on those opportunities. No excuses when you're 30 someodd million under the cap.

I think it's important to "read between the lines". Pioli or no Pioli, Peterson or no Peterson the fact is Chief fans are getting ripped off. And I anticipate they will not win any time soon nor in the future. the reason is simple, the operations haven't changed at all. you have no talent, can you win? Absolutely not. And it's a shame because the fans of Kansas City love their football, while Clark doesn't relate to your passion nor has any regards towards it whatsoever.

To me you can sum up our last 10 seasons as this.Draft like shit,play like shit.We have 1 draft pick in the post Marty era that stands out in my opinion.Jared Allen.1 draft pick in 10 years.Look back at all the pro bowlers and solid players that came out of the draft during the Marty years and its easy to see why we have failed as a team.No Im not campaigning for Marty or Marty ball,Im only saying if you draft like a bunch of crack whores eating lsd sandwiches,this is the kinda of team you end up with.

You guys must not have gotten the memo. David Glass bought a majority portion of this franchise 3 years ago.

Yup. And the worst part is, they've had top 10 picks and screwed up. Sims, Dorsey is not looking like the impact player expected, and I think their was clearly better talent sitting at 3 when they chose Tyson Jackson. Im telling you I put this team in the same class as the Raiders, Bengals, Lions, and Browns. All these teams year after year have top picks and still have sh*tty teams to show for. I think the Chiefs are headed in that direction and already are imo. I just think when youre a sh*t franchise youre gonna be sh*t regardless of what you do.

Dayton Moore's nickname is Scott Pioli.

I knew you'd come around.

Dick V and his shitty drafting is as much too blame as anything else. I think his drafts are worse then Herms

I'm not ready to take a hard line against the new regime yet.
I think it'd be foolish to do so.

It's obvious that mistakes have been made but we're throwing a tantrum after each loss and pretending just before the next kickoff that we've forgotten what happened just 1 week before. It's the very definition of insanity.

Clearly the team should just close up shop then. Make Arrowhead into a soccer stadium or something.

Herm's reputation as a talent evaluator was far overblown, but it's an insult to lump him in the same sentence with Grandpa in this regard.

The latter was the most incompetent sack of shit when it came to the draft that it wasn't even funny. We have nothing from his tenure. Nothing.

Except a punter, who is, I'm sorry CP faithful, somewhat overrated. He's good. A keeper. But not a Pro-Bowler.

Dick Vermeil was the Alomar shrub that so fans gladly rubbed our genitalia against.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

We're led into believing this team is gonna turn it around. The way they sell themselves to the fans leading them into believing that what they are doing is "the right way" when clearly its not. it just leads to the same old, losses. As a fan you expect to see good things , you're hoping that it'll turn around but it doesn't.

You know the way they operate is not gonna build a winner, but yet you expect a winner. They do the same thing, leading you to believe it is right, and you expect and hope for a winner. That's insanity my friend.

Bunch of ****n a**holes they are.

It's all part of Clark's evil plan to move the team to Columbus.

The Ghosts of Lombardi, Bill Walsh and Papa Bear Halas combined into one super soul couldnt do shit with this team.

I interpreted his post as more of a tirade directed toward ownership than the employees.

Because this past offseason was the franchise doing the same things over and over that it has before.
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Its sad to say but I believe that!
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How do you know this? You say you're no psychic, but you certainly are presenting yourself as having all the facts when we are 3 games into the first year of the new regime.

Do I think Pioli is going to build a consistent winner? Who the hell knows. His moves didn't thrill me this off-season, but I'd rather take a year to evaluate an entire operation than to blow money needlessly. But there were few free agents that were going to bridge the talent gap we had going into this season.

You can be mad he didn't address things, but saying that we will never be good, it's the same old shit, is complete and utter nonsense.

There is nothing about this season that reminds of me of a Carl Peterson team.

Are we terrible? Yes. But I really think some would rather just be 8-8 with a few free agent additions than really weeding through this roster.

If Pioli sucks in a year and 4 months from now, you can say it's much the same, but it sounds like you expected Pioli to fix the mistakes made over an entire decade over one off-season. Not possible.

The major off-season acquisition, another team's backup QB, isn't vintage Carl?

i agree with you here, same could be said for haley and cassel also

It is, but Carl would have traded for Cassel when he was 32.

If Pioli sucks in a year and 4 months from now, you can say it's much the same, but it sounds like you expected Pioli to fix the mistakes made over an entire decade over one off-season. Not possible.
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No. But I DID expect the new GM to see the shit we had on the OL and make more of an attempt to FIX that - especially when you consider that said new GM was planning on getting himself his QB. That is NOT too much to expect in his first offseason. He FAILED test # 1.

He was truly a couple players away from winning it all. That's the way it works in free agency. You ride the wave to the top and then re-build.

I won't argue this point. LMAO

Yea a couple players...like 11 on defense.

I can agree with that.

Yeah, it wasn't like there were any other holes that needed to be fixed.

ROFL Notice DICK didn't stick around to clean this mess up.

Yes they did.

What difference does it make when you replace Damion McIntosh with Ndukwe? All you're doing is getting rid of a junk and replacing that position with another junk.

What difference does it make when you gid rid of Donnie Edwards and replace him with Mike Vrabel? Both old aging players clearly on the verge of being at the end of their football careers.

What difference does it make when you replace Jeff Webb with Terrence Copper? What difference does it make when you sign Mike Goff and replace Adrian Jones?

Regardless the moves are the same. You replace one scrap with another. Replace one cheap with another cheap. And you replace one old with another old. I thought positions are suposed to be upgraded? In the Chiefs case its not. Like I said, earlier, you cant expect to have a good football team when you try to create it with scrubs. If you don't have talent you aint winning its that simple, but yet were being told this is the "right way." this is the remedy of a team that will be 3-13.

Same philosophy, same mentality and thats why they will continue to suck because they ain't gonna change the way they operate.

Who are the players you would have brought in?

Trading for a backup QB from a "dynasty"? Check
Passing on developing a franchise QB in the draft? Check
Working with a good ole boy network? Check.

Having a conniption every week after a loss when you know the team isn't very good can't be defined as insanity?

LMAO at the people here, ready to throw in the towel on a front office three games into their first season.

****ing classic...

And somehow despite all of the outrage last week some of our dear friends here at CP were STILL able to take it to another level last night.

The Bad Guy,

I want you to understand I have nothing against Pioli. I don't think it's his fault mainly because I believe football operations really boils down to who owns the team. Im not a big fan of Clark Hunt. I hate to admit it, but, I don't have faith in the guy.

Look, all Im trying to say is the philosophy and mentality at Arrowhead hasn't changed. Just because the Chiefs have a new regime it doesn't equate to anything. The owner ultimately calls the shots in the end.

You can't build a team with scrubs? Its that simple. When you see the Chiefs trying to upgrade a position they're weak at with a sh*t player. It makes you kinda wonder. I am mad you know why? Because it really seems like this is a franchise that is not dedicated to winning. When you're weak at a position, the proper thing to do is go out and get yourself a player who is better then the player you currently have. It's that simple. Not replace a scrub with another scrub? Such is the case when they replaced McIntosh with Ndukwe. Thats just an example of what Im talking about.

It doesn't take a genious to figure this out. When "GOOD" players are available in FA they act passive all the time. There is no excuse. They have chances, instead they sign 2nd, 3rd tier players, we've seen it with Herm and now were seeing it with pioli. Again, this philosophy and mentality is the reason why they are losers.

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Can I answer this?

Don't try to make a fool out of me. Go ask yourself that question.

I don't really have to try to make a fool out of you, unless you're admitting you can't answer the question intelligently.

I don't mind if you do. I just don't think the thread starter can. After you do, I'm sure he'll quote your post and say "this" or something equally unoriginal.

I don't want to answer that question.

Because I have a feeling that if I did you'd flip it back in my face and try to look for ways to make me feel stupid. I know you're type bud.

One is a vet at the end of his career and one is young and *may* have an upside. I believe he's also cheaper.

One isn't as old as the other and knows the new defensive scheme. He's also been healthy.

Not much. Certainly wasn't a step backwards.

You should send your resume to Clark Hunt. He probably needs a good laugh.

When you're trying to get things done at work I can assume you never work with the same supplier/subcontractor/vendor twice.

You can't answer the question. I know your type too. ==> :drool:

Then you need to change allegiances, because the chances of Clark selling are near 0.

Oh, sweet irony...

Cheer up man... we are a few more 5tech's away from being awesome... can't wait till next years draft

As I said, I expect them to produce sh*tty product for a long time. This whole philosophy, and mentality on how they're building a team just doesn't work.

I don't believe in this Patriot way its just to sell the fans, or the "right 53"

How exactly can we know when they haven't had much time to build it their way?
This is a football team who had for years been searching for a quality WR of their own.
We found one in Bowe, but how long had it been since we'd drafted a talented WR?

With that in mind... Think about how much more unsuccessful they've been identifying Offensive Line talent? Hell... We sold the O-Line out in an effort to build a great D-Line (which we STILL do not have)... And of those draft picks... Four aren't even with the team anymore, one is playing a new position, and the other is still trying to come into his own.

To jump ship this quickly is absolutely insane.
They've been dealt some pretty shitty cards.

Clark is 44. Unless you're significantly younger you'd be much better off switching teams. With the kinds of health care Clark is getting and his family history he's going to be around and in charge for a long, long time. Seriously, do yourself a favor and pick a team who's ownership you do like. Why waste your time and energy on shit like this?

clark hunt does not know shit about football

Chiefs spent money this offseason, trouble was they blew it on a career backup QB and 3-4 end. You take the money they gave to Cassel and you could have added some nice pieces to the pie.

What NFL owner does?

Al Davis used to.

Name them.

It's not the time factor. My point is, the operations are the same. When Lamar passed things became different. i don't ever recall Clark ever making splashes in FA to help build the team. A lot on here feel the draft is more important then FA. But, I still think that shouldn't neglect the fact FA is just as important because its part of building a team after all.

Im tying this all from Peterson to now. The Chiefs are cheap. They don't go out and sign premier guys that can clearly upgrade certain positions on the the team they're weak at.

You can have the best GM in the world, it don't matter. If your owner doesn't want to spend or isn't motivated enough to upgrade certain positions on the team. Then expect holes. People complain that the Chiefs have to many holes. Why? Do they fail to see the way they operate as a primary reason to why this team is so devoid in talent. I can't undestand the reason of complaints. Honestly, when you sign Mike Brown(injury prone), Mike Vrabel(at the verge of the end of his career), Zach Thomas(done), bobby Engram(nothing more then a slot receiver), Bobby Wade...NOBODY wants these guys.

As a result, you're not gonna have a better team. It just represents an example of Clarks cheap ways. But were told this is the right way. :shake: The so called "Patriot way! And it's bullsh*t! complete ****n bullsh*t!!

Sure, 30 years ago.

Ok that argument seems to be over so let's start listing them.

Starting with Center:

I would have liked for us to sign Jeremy Newberry or Matt Birk.

What did we do? Resigned Niswanger of course.

Jason Brown
Chris Canty
Igor Olansksy
Jim Leonard

Just a few off the top of my head. I need to pull up a post what I would do before free agency hit. I had a better list then.

I am actually more pissed off that abortion of draft we had, Cassel/Sanchez didnt matter which one we had still could have upgraded our OL in the draft, it was deep this year.

thank you.

This is an example of what Im talking about? You got two players who are arguably better then Mr. junk Niswanger. And they resigned Niswanger? Why?

Oh wait I have the answer. Because it's right! Yes sir it is!!

Yes, it's how you build an old team stocked with overpaid and under-performing players. It's how you get into cap hell. It's how you get to where the Chiefs are today.

Arguably? You're shitting your pants over *arguably*? I'm pretty sure both of those guys are old as hell too.

"Let's build a team via free agency and pay out the nose! We'll win the Super Bowl every year!"

Signed, Daniel Snyder.

Newberry retired, and it's doubtful Birk would have come to KC unless you paid him huge money - he's on his last contract, and wanted to play for a winner.

No, no, they would have BOTH come here and we'd be winning now if they had.

Do you watch Niswanger play? He's ****ing terrible.

Im trying to prove a point. They're cleary better then Niswanger. I'd rather have Matt birk then Niswanger. And Im sure 90% of the critics and the people around the league would too.

So what's the next solution? draft?

It's kind of hard to be disappointed when you don't have any expectations.

ROFL

I wouldn't have been all that active in free agency. I wouldn't have switched to a 3-4, so there was no need to sign Canty or Olshansky, although those would have been solid moves given our switch.

Obviously, I would have drafted Sanchez in the first. Looking back, I thought that Mauluga was the best value at 34 at the time of the draft, but I was really high on Max Unger.

1: Sanchez
2: Unger
3: Jarron Gilbert (probably have him take Hali's spot at LDE)
4: Sidbury
5: Robinson
6: Coye Francies (really liked him)
7a: AQ Shipley
7b: (No O'Connell Trade): Darry Beckwith

I was of the mindset that if we were going to draft a rookie QB, I wouldn't trade Tony, because I'd use him as a safety valve after inserting the rookie post-bye week.

Our LB corps would still suck, but that was a pretty bad class for LB depth, IMO.

So your solution is to dramatically overpay for a guy you'll get two or three years out of, maybe only one of them any good. Hell, how many guys have you seen sign a fat-ass final contract and then just ride it out instead of trying to be great?

If the salary cap didn't exist and didn't age your plan is great.

Yes, if you want to win in the NFL you got to draft your roster. I'm more pissed off by the shitty draft than them not signing any players. Hell Indy, San Diego, and Pittsburgh hardly ever use free agency. And they are in markets similar to ours.

You draft your stars. You bring in free agents to fill holes. On rare occasion a good free agent goes cheap and you take them. It isn't rocket science. Indy does it, NE does it, Green Bay does it...

I'd have been fine with this approach too. But the Chiefs would still suck this year.

There is no ****ing doubt about that. But it would be a young foundation, IMO.

Honestly, they'd probably be a 2-4 win team if they stayed with Tony, groomed a new QB to put in after the bye, and stayed in the 4-3. That probably puts them in the Carlos Dunlap/Taylor Mays/Eric Berry wheelhouse.

You get any one of those three and team them with a few new LBs, and I think you have a damn good defense.

Your right. Ive seen it various times, but that shouldn't neglect FA?

FA is there for a purpose to try to help you build a good football team. Im not saying they have to dramatically over pay for a guy? Well, really what I should say, is, when you have a guy like Birk who's available on the market, he is going to demand a lot of coin.

But that how FA has evolved nowadays. The economical aspect of paying for players is outrageous. when good players are available, you're gonna have to pay for what you get. I believe that. If you want to constantly try to bargain and find a "gem" how often does it happen where you see a guy whom you pay "cheap" and he turns out to be a star? When that happens, great. But, you can't be totally dependent on those type of situations as the Chiefs are.

If you want to sign vets, get a good vets in here. I don't disagree with that. You sign him to a 3 or 4 year contract whatever, and draft a young guy at his position. Is it better to learn from Ray Lewis or Mike Vrabel? Is it better to learn from Mike Goff or Matt Birk? There is a difference.

Jason Brown has looked pretty average in St. Louis. Chris Canty has been hurt 2 of 3 games. Igor is part of a Dallas defense that is getting gashed left and right.

Jim Leonard is a system guy for Rex Ryan.

The only one of those 4 are making the Chiefs substancially better and that's Brown.

I think some people are doubting that, though. That's what is blowing me away.

Jeremy Newberry retired. Good call on signing him.

Matt Birk was going to a contender. He signed for basic peanuts.

I agree with that. Indy, SD, Pitt, are great examples you use, but, I still think FA is important. Mainly because I believe you build your team in 3 possible ways. Draft, FA, and trades.

Yeah these teams don't use FA as much, but one could argue there are plenty of teams that do use it and get good results.

Vrabel, without a doubt. You're assuming that Birk is interested in teaching a young guy, though. The thing is none of us were around when/if these guys were evaluated. None of us talked to these players. We're operating on incomplete information. I can't recall a lot of times in my life I've acted on incomplete information and liked the outcome.