Texans fans seem to be falling in love with Pollard.
 

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he's been a good pickup for them. They really needed a hard hitter in the secondary.

he is the same thing that all the scouts say, good against the run dog shit in coverage, there has been some aligator arms for WR going over the middle against the texans

That's what happens when you use a player correctly.

It's the tights

The Texans run defense has been stout lately, im sure Pollard taught them all to tackle

Yeah I'll never understand that move.

If you don't want him as your starter, fine.

But at the very least he's an excellent STs player.

He just wanted to GTFO of KC. "Pollard may have saved our season." ROFL

Pollard was never as bad as this board thought he was (almost noone could be as bad as this board thinks they are really... quite an optimistic bunch we are) and I don't think our front office is so dumb that they thought he was bad either (after all, they didn't cut him they found someone to trade for him). I'm convinced he was released for other issues.. call it not fitting the mold.

Not on of 'the right 53' lol

Haley seems more concerned with "sending a message" than proper coaching.

Yep.

They are using him down in the box in run support, and not trying to make him something he's not - a coverage DB.

Houston's run defense has gone from 31st to 21st - and they are allowing over 2 yards per carry less since he's found the lineup.

Amazing what coaching can do

I think, possibly, Pollard was part of the reason why we have Cassel.

If Cassel hadn't had a season starting for the Pats, would he have been brought here?

Of course Pioli already knew Cassle so maybe it wouldn't have mattered.

I wouldn't have minded keeping the "bone crusher"here, especially for special teams.

It would have been nice if they would have let Page play FS and let him be a ballhawk....while Pollard is down in the box for run support.

I have always thought he should have been more of a LB than a safety.

we should have never let Gibbs walk.

I would rather have him as the DC than Mr Pender****

Wow, a 2 YPC difference maker?

You add two or three more Bernard Pollards and you'd get a safety on every drive.

could also be that those teams havent TRIED to run the ball
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He's a good dancer.

Our talent evaluation is shit, pure and simple, and it seems as though our brain trust makes emotional decisions over rational ones.

except in LJ's case

Right.

Not that I watched the games, but I suppose it helps that that the Bengals ran it only 17 times and the Niners 19 times.

Regardless, this is not the first time a guy has fit in better in another type of defense. He's actually being coached by the same guy who coached him here last year, Gibbs. They can probably better use him to his strengths and cover up his weaknesses due to the better quality of players around him.

But I agree, it would be nice for once to either find a defensive coach who can fit his scheme to the strengths of the players, or find players who can play well in the system. Seems like it's been a pattern the psat decade...

what is that message? if you haven't played for the patriots, we don't want you?

This.

You realize that yards per carry is an AVERAGE?

Which means it doesn't matter is they ran the ball 20 times or 40 - they are still only giving up 2.7 (or whatever the exact number is) PER CARRY since his placement in the lineup.

Had I said that they haven't allowed a 100-yard rusher since his arrival, you'd have a point.

Most teams haven't ran against them

As opposed to the 22 carries for 222 yards they gave up against Tennessee?

Again, some of you are missing the point, that regardless of the number of times the opponent was running the ball, the Texans were allowing huge chunks of yardage PER CARRY.

They aren't doing that now.

I almost guarantee one could make a better defense out of the players that have left, than what we still have.

Jared Allen
Scott Fujita
Kawika Mitchell
Lawrence Tynes
Bernard Pollard
Ryan Sims (just a warm body)
Vonnie Holliday
Benny Sapp
Junior Siavii (I just needed a warm body, cant remember other dlinemen)
Keyaron Fox

Is there anyone else?

I realize these arent all world players, but all (except Sims and Siavii) could help us.

we are, we are!!!

**** mike brown!!!!

I haven't ran the numbers, but one of them pmd me saying they are the #1 per carry rush defense since he broke the starting lineup at less than 3/rush.

What sucks is that we could have drafted him in the 3rd round.....possibly later, and not have reached to him with a 2nd.

YEAH i realize that, but less runs= less chances to break a big one. and most rushing yards are accumulated in the 4th qtr after defenses are worn down, do you not realize that?

according to nfl.com the longest runs have came from the 1st and second quarters this year.

:shake:

Are you pulling stats from out your ass?

That's a huge leap.

Like I said, look at the Tennessee game. They only ran the ball 22 times, but got 10 yards per carry.

If you want to bury your head in the sand and not acknowledge that allowing 2 yards less per carry isn't a significant achievement, go right ahead.

Christ, people here want to claim that the Chiefs run defense is improved over last year, and they are allowing .6 of a yard less per carry from last year.

People are so hard pressed to take a shit on Haley/Pioli that they're willing to sing the praises of a POS like Pollard. Ridiculous, but expected, from the same ol' nancies.

Yep.

I'm not going to spend all day proving him wrong, but here's what I've found about the Top 5's 4th quarter stats:

Benson: Least yards in 4th quarter compared to 1st-3rd.

AP: Most rushing yards in 4th.

Jackson: Least yards in 4th quarter.

T. Jones: 2nd lowest compared to 1st-3rd.

C. Johnson: Least yards in 4th quarter.


So, 1 out of the top 5 rushers have more yardage in the 4th quarter than any of the previous 3 quarters on the year - and 3 of them have their lowest totals in the 4th quarter.

Are these the same teams that don't kick or pass the ball as well, or are you talking about soccer?:spock:

These to infinity.

No one's "hard pressed". No one has to "try". No one has to make an emergency run to the munitions cache either.
There's no shortage of ammunition necessary to fire rounds at the Great Haoli; their combined FAIL stretches to the heavens on it's very own.

Yeah, those Texans fans really have it out for Haoli.

You've been a mindless apologist for those guys from day 1, why would I expect you to actually examine this decision rationally?

It was stupid when it was made, it's proven stupid now.

But hey, at least we held on to Mike MFing Brown.

I'll just go ahead and stand behind everything I said here:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...18#post6077118

This was a dumb move by a lazy coach/front office.

The people on this board, overall, have very little room to criticize Haley and Pioli for getting rid of Pollard, as most thought he was garbage.

I did not think he was garbage. In fact, I thought he was a good player that made a difference. I still do.

That is why it doesn't surprise me that he is playing well for the Texans.

I am not criticizing Haley or Pioli for getting rid of him. I don't understand it, but I know the Chiefs need a change of culture, and maybe that is why he was let go.

Fans talked about him not having a job for a couple weeks. What they didn't understand was that he was selecting the best offer for him. He wasn't desperate. He wanted to go to a decent team that he could start on.

He got his wish, and has played very well.

You don't need three seasons to asses a dumb, detrimental move today. You don't need three seasons to observe play calling. And you don't need three seasons to observe someones methods and attitudes either.

Some things do NOT require a "wait and see" mentality/approach.

it had to do with the date that teams could sign him to any contract they wanted, if he was signed before said date his salary had to be guaranteed.

this may not be 100% accurate, but it is the reason they gave for not signing him earlier.

Another player to add to the litany of guys that have left here and done well. Can't play for the Chiefs at 1-6, but can start for competetive teams. Ah...derr

Does no one rember the shoulder bombs with no wrapping up he would lay on TE's and WR's they would bounce back five yards and continue to run for huge gains???? This guy had the tackilng ability of Def Lepperds drummer?!?

Just to point out that Alex Smith came in that game against Texans in the second half and threw three TDs. It's not like the Texans D locked them down.

he never caused hysteria on WR.

that guy just doesnt like me specifically, that is likely why he responded to my thread the way he did, I may be wrong. He has neg repped as many of my posts as everyone else combined and all he leaves is mindless drivel like "go back to the coalition you pussy"

blah blah blah is all I hear from him when he speaks.

I have chosen the old adage in regards to him:

"never argue with an idiot, they will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"

He'd been coached by a guy that didn't bother teaching him technique because he liked Pollard's "physical presence".

Besides, I'd sure as hell rather have seen Pollard bouncing off guys than see Brown simply dive and miss. At least Pollard gives guys second thoughts going over the middle and at least slows them down when he bounces off. Brown just gets abused in every facet of the game.

Pollard had youth, athleticism and upside on his side.

And in a 'rebuilding' year, our overhyped GM cut his ass in favor of an over-the-hill, oft-injured, 'name' player in Mike Brown while keeping scads of never will be scrubs on the 53 man because he and his head coach were too damn arrogant to bother working with someone that pre-dated their time in KC.

NO, hell i could bet that there were 100s of posts here last year about how stupid we were for not running LJ more in 4th qtrs due to the fact that Running backs get stronger as the game goes on. Defenses are more tired and shy away from contact from bruising backs.

so far THIS YEAR, how does that work if you throw it out for the last 3 years?

Gibbs is still his coach if that is who you were refering to.

Herm.

Herm always said he liked the fact that Pollard was a headhunter.

As a former DB, Herm took a very active role in coaching our DBs; he did Pollard a great disservice.

big backs wear down defenses

ever play ball against a big back in the fourth quarter after he has been somewhat successful the rest of the game?

it sucks

I listen to Houston sports radio quite a bit. Maybe the posters on texanstalk like him, but I wouldn't say the fans down there are crazy about the defense. It's more of a "well, we'll see".

I hated Herm as a head coach, but to be fair to him I was pretty happy with how he coached the corners. I would think at least some of that applied to all of the dbs.

Perfect. Go back as far as you need to to support your claim. ROFL

You made the asinine claim, now YOU back it up.

Generally speaking I completely agree.

He even made Paige a much better player.

The man can coach DB's, I'll give him that.

At the same time, he flat out stated that he liked the way Pollard went out there and hit.

I believe he had a role that he wanted Pollard to fill and by god he'd use as big a hammer as it took to drive that square peg. He needed guys to fit his system and Pollard was his guy.

Nevermind the fact that Pollards skill set didn't lend itself to that vision. As such, Herm did Pollard a great disservice.

you are a funny guy, it's hilarious to see you act stupid when you need to to support your claims.
first of all out of the 5 only 2 have not been playing from behind in the 4th qtrs, AP and Jones. jones splits carries with washington and i would bet that he gets less carries in the 4th compared to the 1-3.

the others have played from behind in the 4th all year long, even benson how many comebacks have they had this year, so that would lead to more passing and therefore less rushes which would equal less rushing yards.

i would guess that out of the 5, 4 of them have less rushes in the 4th than 1st -3rd. i would also bet that you have said that the best backs get better as the game goes on once or twice in your life.

At the end of the day it's all about systems, surrounding talent, and coaching. Pollard was here under two different DC's, and both the 3-4 and the 4-3 systems, and never really did anything great. Right now he is in a system with players that probably allows him to play to his strengths better. Good for Pollard and good for the Texans. All it does is point out that A) We need to find someone who can actually coach defense, B) We need to provide that person with talent that fits their system, and C) We need to take advantage of the talent of those players.

A has not been here for years.
B has always been in flux because we are either changing coordinators, head coaches, or GM's, each with different views on D.
C cannot take place if A and B don't happen.

Therefore, our defense has been crap for pretty much the last decade.

I doubt that Pollard is the main reason the Texans are stopping the run. But I don't doubt that he's in a far better position to help a team that is right now in far better shape than we are...

And I don't doubt that he'd be in a far better position to help THIS team than Mike Brown is.

And maybe, just maybe, he'd be a long term solution.

But hey, all we can go by is what he has become as part of a well-coached defensive unit. Lord knows we can't expect to get that here...

Dear lord! This is like a woman who was abused by her husband then after she leaves him starts talking about how great he was. We're talking about Bernard f****** Pollard here! We bitched about this turd burglar relentlessly while he was here and now we're wishing we had him back? Does anyone remember all the TD's this trash let up on the pass? I'm sorry but a safety has to be able to tackle and play the ball, it's just fact.

guys
he is the bone crusher

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1OMiSrEJXn...rm_edwards.jpg

More case history for my claim that this team can not develop talent. Please someone prove me wrong, otherwise I'm haten on this team more everyday....ah ****.

most are strong in one or the other and coaching helps lessen the effect of the weaker of the two. He excelled against the run.

At minimum he was a probowl quality special teamer.

Do let me know when we get one of those please.

You see them all the damn time just nobody we seem to know how to draft.

Except that the folks defending Pollard are the same folks that recognized before he was cut that not all players are Pro-Bowlers and some of them are simply going to be viable NFL players with their own respective strengths and weaknesses.

Bernard Pollard was a viable NFL player that brought talent to the table. He also brought an attitude and a strong work ethic. He had a technique issue that needed to be worked on (didn't wrap up) and if they'd have fixed it they could've had a fine NFL SS on their hands.

All it took was some coaching. Instead we're busy watching broke-dick Brown trip over himself.

God damn any player that argues with Clancy Pendergast, because CLANCY IS TEH AWESOME ELEVENY!!!11111!!!!!:rolleyes:

Not everyone bitched about Pollard constantly. It is true that I was just as likely as the next guy to say "wrap up ffs!" after Pollard bounced off of someone, but I didn't think he should be cut and I don't think most people on this board thought that either.
He had tons of good plays as well, but people just tend to remember what they want to.

When we released Pollard the first thing I did was say "wtf?" to my coworkers. It still doesn't make sense to me beyond the fact that I'm not in the organization so there are things going on that I'm not going to understand and that's just how it is.

Thank you.

Sometimes I think half the people on this board want to cut anyone who doesn't make the pro bowl.

Pollard was unfairly bashed on this board and he will make his naysayers eat crow. Coaches need to focus on using their players correctly and you can't keep getting rid of talented draft picks, stuff like that will set us back quite a bit.

I'll hug yer' bones. - Bernie

And I don't give a **** what GoChiefs thinks, LJ has a piss-poor attitude to go with his piss-poor play; he'll be lucky as a mother****er to find a job if he and KC part ways.

You are a clown. You just tripped over your large red clown shoes yet again. At least you admit that you're guessing.

I hope you're not talking about me, I'm not an idiot who thinks that way. But I know (and I'm not going to go back to search to prove it) that over 90% of this board wanted Pollard or Page sent packing at the end of last season. They were too much of a liability together. EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE bitched about the big plays let up by Pollard. Look, I'm not saying he's not better than what we have but there was no one shedding tears when Pollard was first cut. And, personally, I think getting rid of him opens the door to draft someone who will be much better instead of standing pat with someone who's at the very most OK.

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uuhh ok:rolleyes:, look it up and get back to me. what in that post doesnt make sense?

Rather than saying "90% of the board hated Pollard" you might want to consider investigating whether the people currently lambasting the front office for the decision to cut him were among that group.

I assure you, I wasn't. Nor were many of the other folks in this thread.

Having a very vocal majority of Pollard Haters doesn't mean that those of us that recognized his value now must remain silent when that value has surfaced with another organization.

damn and then he posed over one of them? ROFL