Johnny Damon Hall of Famer??
 

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All of which is just a long introduction to the question: is Johnny Damon a Hall of Famer?

He's sitting at 2,425 hits, so four more seasons and -- assuming the Yankees win one of the next three -- he'll have 3,000 hits along with (at least) two championship rings. Pretty good case, no?

He has scored more than 100 runs 10 times in his career. He will probably finish his career in the top 20 all-time, and perhaps even top 10 in runs scored.

It's a better career than you might think off hand, and in the end, his Hall candidacy probably depends more upon how closely voters draw their circle than anything.

For me, he falls just outside, as one of the really good players whose exclusion from the Hall makes the honor of being inducted even more special.

There are just too many holes in the argument. He's a top-of-the-order guy who strikes out more than he walks, is a career .288 hitter and never finished in the top 10 in on-base percentage (his career high was .382 in his last season with the Royals in 2000).

He is a corner outfielder with a legendarily bad arm who's led the league in something just three times -- runs (136) and steals (46) in 2000, and triples (11) in 2002. He's made just two All-Star teams, and never finished higher than 13th in MVP voting.

More than any of that, he's never been the best player at his position, or on his team. On Baseball Reference's similarity score, Lou Brock is the only Hall of Famer among the 10 listed with Damon (though Pete Rose is one of the others).

Anyway, the point here is not to bash a really good player the day after giving us a really great moment.

The point here is to solicit the thoughts of you fine readers while I prepare to jog off some of the cheesesteak from yesterday.

The Keltner List is a good tool to use in making judgments.

nada a chance

Roberto Hernandez might be, though.

Damon has been a helluva good player, and clutch at times, but HOF? I can't get there. Fortunately for JD, I don't have a vote.

Chicks dig the long ball. No HOF for Johnny.

Prob not but Im not sure making the HOF in the steroid era will be so glorious.

This is what a HOF'r looks like.
http://www.albertpujolsclub.com/wp-c...er-272x300.jpg

Damn. Apparently I missed his induction.

Id think its gonna be a while......

He's no Ricky Bottalico

This is what a future HOF'r looks like.
http://www.albertpujolsclub.com/wp-c...er-272x300.jpg

feel better now....:)

If players like Jim Rice barely make it to the hall, then players like Johnny Damon shouldn't make it at all.

I was thinking the same thing yesterday. How many all stars does he have? If He can get to 10 or 11 all stars I would think yes. I kind of laugh how being on a bad ass team is. He is Dejesus with a shitty arm and a litter better speed.

No! But being a Yankee and finishing his career up there, it's possible, but over all ,he doesn't deserve it.

He's a hell of a player and I have always been a fan of his but I have never thought of him as a HOF guy.

Makes me sick how many good players we let go, only to end up with crumbier players.

Johnny Damon
Jermaine Dye
Carlos Beltran
and on and on...

Spend some money, Glass.

Just think of how many all-star games he would have played in as a Royal, since we have to send somebody.

Damon, Dye, Beltran, Ibanez, Affeldt, Ramirez, DelaRosa

Drafting Luke "More MLB ready" Hochevar over "Soon-to-be 2-time Cy Young Winner" Tim Lincecum

Drafting Alex "bust" Gordon over Evan Longoria

Imagine if Berroa panned out after his rookie of the year season. Man did he tank.

1. LF Damon
2. CF Beltran
3. 3B Longoria
4. RF Dye
5. DH Butler
6. 1B Ibanez
7. SS Berroa
8. 2B Callaspo
9. C anyone but Buck

That 1-6 order is pretty sick considering Butler doesn't do his typical "wait til late summer/early fall to produce" act.

Pitching
Greinke
Lincecum
Meche
DeLaRosa
"some free agent"

Bullpen
Affeldt
Ramirez
Soria


This team would ****ing whoop the shit out of our division.

Thanks Glass!!!

x2, but doesn't 3,000 hits pretty much guarantee an induction?

Where would this team have gone, if they had kept Damon, Dye, Beltran and Ibanez?

With a possible rotation of Greinke, Lincecum, DelaRosa, and Meche in the playoffs.....this team would go very far. ALCS at least.

Yeah, baseball used to be fun back in the day when the Royals were contenders every year.

But I haven't watched a single inning of the playoffs or WS this year, just don't care. **** the Yankees!

Screw all y'all.
And screw Scott Boras too!

But hey, at least we got him out of KC right?....right?

It's not all money anymore.
2009 Cardinals payroll = $76.5 million
2009 Royals payroll = $71.5 million

BRC, you might want to look over the Cards payroll again, especially all the dead money we were paying to guys like Kennedy.

It was right at 89-91 million

opening day payroll. Not what it was at the end of the year. The most trusted and believed database is the USA Today's database. Looks like my figures were $2million off. Still not a big competitve advantage.
http://content.usatoday.com/sports/b...aspx?year=2009

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</TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%" align=right>$ 149,373,987 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%">Chicago Cubs </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%" align=right>$ 134,809,000 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%">Boston Red Sox </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%" align=right>$ 121,745,999 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%">Detroit Tigers </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%" align=right>$ 115,085,145 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%">Los Angeles Angels </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%" align=right>$ 113,709,000 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%">Philadelphia Phillies </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%" align=right>$ 113,004,046 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%">Houston Astros </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%" align=right>$ 102,996,414 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%">Los Angeles Dodgers </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%" align=right>$ 100,414,592 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%">Seattle Mariners </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%" align=right>$ 98,904,166 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%">Atlanta Braves </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%" align=right>$ 96,726,166 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%">Chicago White Sox </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%" align=right>$ 96,068,500 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%">San Francisco Giants </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%" align=right>$ 82,616,450 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%">Cleveland Indians </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%" align=right>$ 81,579,166 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%">Toronto Blue Jays </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%" align=right>$ 80,538,300 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%">Milwaukee Brewers </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%" align=right>$ 80,182,502 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%">St. Louis Cardinals </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%" align=right>$ 77,605,109 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%">Colorado Rockies </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%" align=right>$ 75,201,000 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%">Cincinnati Reds </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%" align=right>$ 73,558,500 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%">Arizona Diamondbacks </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%" align=right>$ 73,516,666 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%">Kansas City Royals </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%" align=right>$ 70,519,333 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%">Texas Rangers </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%" align=right>$ 68,178,798 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%">Baltimore Orioles </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%" align=right>$ 67,101,666 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%">Minnesota Twins </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%" align=right>$ 65,299,266 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%">Tampa Bay Rays </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%" align=right>$ 63,313,034 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%">Oakland Athletics </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%" align=right>$ 62,310,000 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%">Washington Nationals </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%" align=right>$ 60,328,000 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%">Pittsburgh Pirates </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%" align=right>$ 48,693,000 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%">San Diego Padres </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%" align=right>$ 43,734,200 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%">Florida Marlins </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 50%" align=right>$ 36,834,000 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
You want to see the Cardinals exact contracts, length and also other teams?
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/200...115041890.html

Damon had a Hall of Fame Jesus mullet for a few years....

No, and it really shouldn't be much of a discussion IMO.

Good lord.

Pujols 09:$16M:
Carpenter: 09:$14M
Matt Holliday: 5MM (Pro-Rated amount of 13.5 Million)
Glaus: 12 Million
Pineiro: 7.5 Million
Lohse: 7.1 Million
Greene: 6.5 Million
DeRosa: 2.25 Million (Pro-Rated amount of 5.5)
Wellemeyer: 4 million
Ludwick: 3.7 million
Molina: 3.25 million
Ankiel 2.8 million
Wainwright: 2.6 million
Franklin: 2.5 million
Miller: 2 million
Reyes: 1 Million


That also leaves out the 5 million we're paying Kennedy to be a part of the A's.

Total payroll:

97.2 not including rookie or vet minimum deals.

Take off the pro-rated 7-8 mill you have for DeRo and Holliday, and add in the rookie deals, and you have precisely the number I told you.


And moreover, USA Today is not the source you should be going to for this. It's vivaelbirdos.

And there is one more young stud pitcher we could have had outside Lincecum, but I'm blanking on his name. Second rounder, maybe?

porcello and the catcher for the baltimore would be nice, but whatever.

Demon with the knowledge. Grienke, Lincecum, Meche, and Porcello. Dammit, son.

Bump...just a little update on old Johnny.....not currently with a team, but still staying in shape waiting for a call. Hes 231 hits away from 3000.



http://johnnydamon.com/


I wanted to give you all a quick update as many of you have written emails asking what is next for me. I really appreciate the support and kind words. Even though spring training is coming to a close, I haven't given up on the idea of playing this season. I've been able to keep in shape and be ready if and when a call comes. I still believe I have a lot to offer a team and the game of baseball. In addition to getting ready for the season, I've been very busy solidifying relationships that will carry me into my business career when my playing days are over. Over the years, I've been very careful with endorsement and sponsorship opportunities by aligning with products that I believe in and use on a daily basis. I've taken the same approach in my business opportunities. Over the past 4 months, I've been working closely with Grain Audio, A Game and Muscle Aid Tape to learn about each and use the products. I have done extensive research, testing and getting to know the personnel at each company which has lead me to partner with each. I am very excited about each and wanted to share them with you on my site.

Thanks - JD

His best season was in 2000, his last season as a Royal.

Yup. Valuable lineup guy -- an ideal leadoff hitter with adequate speed, but can foul off a shitload of pitches. Great leader. Good not great in the field with a bad arm.

Not a hall of famer, but a great guy to have on your team.

Not even close to a hall of famer. But definitely above average player who posted a long career. Always like him when he was a Royals. Became a giant douche when he signed with the Yankees.

Nobody with only 2 all star appearances will ever seriously sniff teh HOF.

He's in the Hall of Really Good for a Really Long Time. That's it.

This..............

Damon is the kind of player that should be famous for his postseason heroics, but not a hall of famer, he should be a guy that people mistake for being in the hall of fame...if that makes sense.

They should have a Hall of the Very Good. It's not the Hall of Fame. But some players can't make the HoF, but they should be remembered still.