Pollard didnt like being cursed out.
 

Bernard Pollard didn't like Chiefs' coaches' cursing
Posted by Michael David Smith on November 8, 2009 9:17 AM ET
Texans safety Bernard Pollard started all 16 games for the Chiefs in 2008, but he ended up in Houston after Kansas City cut him just before the start of the 2009 season.

Pollard describes getting cut by the Chiefs as a shock, but he says he thinks he knows what the problem was: He wouldn't put up with new coach Todd Haley and his staff cursing him out.

"With professional athletes, you're dealing with grown men. You're not dealing with boys," Pollard tells the Journal Gazette. "You're not in a locker room with sophomores in high school. You're dealing with grown men with families. I have a wife. I have a son. And I have a daughter on the way. I'm not going to sit there and let you curse me out when you feel like cursing me out or talk to me any way you want to talk to me, and you just want me to sit and take it and say, 'Yes, coach.'"

As ArrowheadPride.com notes, Pollard had a shouting match with Chiefs defensive coordinator Clancy Pendergast during training camp, leading to Pollard being sent off the field. Apparently that was not just one isolated incident.

But from Pollard's perspective, it's all worked out. Now he's a starter in Houston.

"I respect others because that's what I want in return," Pollard says. "It was shocking to get let go, but I'm a Texan, and I'm happy to be one."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...aches-cursing/

I don't understand, was he okay with gunther?

I didn't like Pollard constantly being out of position and his horrible tackling technique.

Pollard pretty pretty please wrap up/Gunther

If you aren't yelling, you aren't trying.

Next time we play the Texans. GO LONG.

So, do you like Mike Brown constantly being out of position and taking terrible angles?

:deevee:

o poor poor guy, he gets play in the NFL and he gets to be cursed at, dam i feel so sorry for him

Well, then he would have been really upset to be in my living room every Sunday, while I was watching him miss tackles and blow coverages left and right.

He can put on his leotard and practice his dance steps in peace now.

I can understand what he means about being a grown man and being treated like a high schooler.

Having that said his technique was poor and he needed work....he's getting paid millions to play a game, he should sack up and take it like a man would.

stop being a ****ing pussy then.

...damn those golfers...bunch of hard asses...

So how is he doing for the Texans...

thank you ESPN..you've convinced the players they are bigger than the game.

I'm anxiously awaiting all the responses criticizing Haley for this.

I'm also growing tired of these professional athletes that think they are above the game. I'm sure Deacon Jones got his ass ripped in practice, but he didn't turn into a huge pussy and cry about it.

It's really becoming a joke anymore.

Football is becoming so pussified that I can't imagine it sustaining it's national appeal for a long time.

I love how it's not respect if you get your ass chewed out. If I screw up at my job, my principal will chew my ass out. That doesn't mean there is a disrepect going on.

I just give up already.

I'm glad you are a Texan too Bernard. I'm sure Peyton Manning will be as well in about 2 hours when the whole middle of the field is wide open.

Wow, sandy much?

http://yogibrewer.mlblogs.com/cry%20baby.jpg

In other words, he really believed that Herm's approach was really working, lmao.

THIS.

pretty obvious haley can not motivate his players.

Damn straight, Bad Guy. I'm sure Pollard will get plenty of ass-chewing today when Manning ****s him and the rest of the Texans defense into submission.

And futhermore, you EARN respect in football. The way Pollard played for KC before he was cut should have embarrassed him. I liked when Haley yelled "don't let me break you" at Bowe after a touchdown. Obviously, Pollard broke.

Shocking revelation.....

Yeah, he sure had a hard time motivating the Arizona Cardinals.

You know why they can't be motivated? Because they were told their shit didn't stink for the last 7 years by 2 head coaches who would rather be their best friend instead of someone who told them the truth. They were used to a Club Med atmosphere, and when that got axed, the vaginas started to get sandy.

The Chiefs won exactly 6 games with Pollard as a starter. 6. When the coaches ass is on the line for their shitty play, you should be open to getting chewed up when you screw up. Bernard thinks he's above that.

It's pretty obvious that this fanbase is turning into a bunch of reeruns.

There's no such thing as earning respect anymore. Everyone expects respect to be given to them on a silver platter.

Suck at football? Have a coach yelling at you? Just say you felt disrepected so people feel sorry for you.

What a pussy. Man up.

The bottom line on this is that Pollard would still be a Chief if he was that good. The fact is that he's a very average safety and his personality clashed with the coaches.... bye bye.. This team needs a lot help, and having Pollard would not make much of a difference.

Honestly, I'm not a fan of Haley's coaching style either. I don't see why you need to be that profane all the time and alienate players. Someone like Pollard who sucked and needed to go - who cares. But I don't see anyone other than perhaps Dorsey who's responded to it.

Obviously things are not changing by virtue of this style alone. But I am a big believer in the idea that the culture of a workplace is contagious and it's a big factor in performance. If someone isn't on board they should be cut. I don't think you need this bawling-out culture all the time.

They need a culture where success is not only rewarded but expected, for sure. But if the culture is extremely negative most people will not respond to it.

The issue isn't whether or not Pollard is right about this, the fact is that a good number of players feel this way about this approach in general.

Yelling is just talking loud. Who gives a shit? Maybe Dorsey responded because he is actually talented. This is what Haley/Pioli seem to be trying to do this season; Purging shitty players.

Why are they worrying about the piece of two-play with a fart's worth of crap on it when there is a bowl full of foot long logs and cream backing up the only shitter in the house.

There's a difference between yelling/chewing someone out and treating grown men like grown men, with respect.

This isn't ****ing high school.

Brian Billick mother****ed his players as much as any coach around, but his players still respected him.

Pollard, meh.

However, I do think Haley's "coaching style" has big potential for failure.

Remember, the Giants were ready to quit on Coughlin too, except he started getting results. Haley doesn't have the resume that Coughlin had. If players don't start seeing the upside of putting up with an asshole coach, then they will just start tuning him out.

Say what you want about Pollard's achievements, but Haley hasn't done much to impress yet either. I'm guessing if Pollard had been surrounded by the same talent Haley was surrounded by, he would have looked better too.

Good post, jsp.

Queue the "then **** the players that don't want to play for an asshole" posts.

The greatest verb ever.

Two of my favorite words from Next Man Up.

Mother****ed.

Slapdick.

Who says most of the players there now do not respect Haley?

Why do DS's yell at recruits in bootcamp?

I'm not saying they do, or they don't.

Like jsp, I'm saying that Haley's approach has a huge potential for failure.

I don't think we know yet. Just saying that's he's playing a dangerous game with big egos.

Most of the recruits aren't anywhere near men? The vast majority are 18-20 years old and have almost nothing to their name.

Steve, if you think you're going to program/brainwash a professional athlete...

it's not brainwashing..it's about maintaining composure under stressful situations.

I find it highly amusing that people are claiming a coach should treat a team with respect that's won three games out of?

..treat em with respect!..because that is exactly what every detractor has doen since Haley got here..treated the players and coaches like grown men...with respect.

:rolleyes:

How can yelling at players be potential for failure? I'd say picking lousy players is more of a potiental for failure. These guys are paid a lot of money doing exactly what they love to do. They dont work in a ****ing cubicle. Were bitching about yelling and sings. WTF? I'll judge Haley's performance by the players he choses to play for him(I am not happy with him starting Goff still), not by yelling. Do your ****ing job and you wont get yelled at.

Maybe other people are doing this, but I personally don't give two shits about their feelings. What I'm trying to do is argue the reality of the situation. Whether you like it or not, the reality of the NFL is that most of these guys do not respond to this kind of approach because they are already grown men who are multi millionaires. Yeah, I think that this approach might work for guys who are doing everything to stick in the NFL, as they've got a tenuous grip on their jobs, but for players who can find jobs elsewhere, or who are quite talented, I don't think it applies.

I can tell you this. There was no harder screw to walk a turn of the NFL sidelines than Bill Belichick, but he'd never talk to Brady like this. Hell, Brady was bitching at Belichick on the sidelines during one of the games this year.

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeexactly.

So I guess we can lump Anquan Boldin in that group that doesn't do their job.

If you think getting your players to buy in "because I ****ing said so", doesn't run risks on a team that been residing in the gutter for the last 3 years...

Belichick does talk to Brady "like this", although "like this" is cursing, not yelling. Brady has pointed that out himself, as has Rodney Harrison. I can't find the Brady quotes, but here's Harrison:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/danpatrick/blog/72403/

Hell, Chiefs fans should know that nobody is safe from Belichick's comments, given the story that Gonzalez has told about his experience with Belichick in the Pro Bowl.

Big deal.

This good number of players have won 7 games in 39 chances.

I don't care who's feelings are hurt. Weed them out, get guys here who want to work for wins and respect, and move forward.

Belichick has won more than 1 game as a head coach.

Any approach has huge potential for failure.

I like most of the people on this board that have been criticial of Haley, but it's amazing to see the 2 sides of the fence emerge again in a Bernard Pollard gets his feelings hurt thread.

Insubordinate and untalented is a bad combination.

And Stevie, most of these guys have no concept of a DI other than what they've seen in the movies. You can tell by their responses.

What approach should he have used here?

Herm tried the fatherly figure. Didn't work.

Dick tried the loving grandfather angle. Didn't work.

How can you change a culture in a place that has needed a change for 10 years without being an asshole?

Marty was a real asshole when he came here in 1989, but no one was freaking out about it.

Good God, you are one useless dumb****.

Again, you assume that talented and rich NFL players will respond to this without a winning culture already in place. Maybe if you're Parcells or Belichick, they will, but it's hard to get the respect of players doing this, and it's a great way to lose the team ASAP. That's the problem with being a dictator sans results. Look at Mangini.

You're going to have a hard time doing both. Talented established guys aren't going to want to come in and work for a known drill sergeant asshole who may cut him weeks later. A high priced vet is going to avoid a team that is hacking the roster with a chainsaw every other week and treats the players with little respect.

You can still be a disciplinarian and not be an inveterate one who sucks the penis. It's not that hard to comprehend. Firm, but fair.

I knew down inside this was the whole ****ing problem. Being cursed to is one thing but being cussed at and demeaned is something else. We lost a quality player because our coach is a childish puss. He is going to cost us some good players before the beginning of next season and we'll be looking to start over again two years from now when he gets canned.

Okay, I think you're exaggerating. Pollard is not a "quality" player. He's average at his best. We couldn't even get a seventh rounder out of the guy.

It's too bad Pollard was the only one on the team with balls enough to say **** you back. I guess the Brian waters incident should have been the writing on the wall but everybody just wanted to call him a cry baby.

Yeah , and Now that he is in a system with a REAL coaching staff he's flourishing.

****ing idiots !

no, he sucks too. i can't tell a difference between the two

Pollard's problem wasn't the yelling. It was the atta boys the other players got when they got a play right.

Brown doesn't go around crying to the media like a little bitch? :shrug:

Then your and idiot !

And again, how do we know Haley isn't fair? Because Bernard Pollard in training camp said so?

This place definitely needs a culture change. I'm just not convinced Haley's approach is gonna work. The team needs to be built. We're not talking about a group of underachievers that need their fires stoked.

As for what was happening when Marty came in, I don't know. I didn't frequent football message boards in 1989.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media/player..._niswanger.jpg

http://onkansascitymo.com/images/ass....81_medium.jpg

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media/players/mike_brown.jpg

Care to elaborate, or are you just going to mimic your g/fs?

Many of the players cried like little bitches when Marty arrived. Albert Lewis hated Carl from day 1.
Of course, two years prior to Marty's arrival the players had a meeting and threatened a mutiny if they didn't keep the fighter pilot. Look what that got us.

Good luck, 'Nard. I think you suck but if you need to be hugged, I hope that eases the sting of being a marginal player.

This is the same argument that happens every time a 'mean' guy gets a coaching job. People like to pretend that guys like Parcells, Belichick, Coughlin and Cowher don't exist, or they try to trot out "Yeah, but..." arguments.

Now when Pollard has a bad play, the coach says, "Aw Golly Gee, we'll get them next time chap." And the coach gives him a hug and a lollipop.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media/players/larry_johnson.jpg

And http://www.kcchiefs.com/media/staff/...pendergast.jpg

And Derrick Johnson who has more natural talent than 90 % of the team rides the bench because he's not part of the right 53. I'm ready to call for Haley's head . His ego will never let him be successful.

I'm not a big fan of it because I don't think acting like a hardass who loses his mind all the time is a good way to motivate guys who make giant bank with families.

It's a good way to get eye rolling and reactions of "who the **** is this guy, who does he think he is?"

There's a difference in being yelled at for doing something stupid and feeling like you're being treated like a child, it seems many here can't realize that.

Yea, those are the examples of the guys that succeeded with the approach. Wonder if there are any coaches that acted that way and never got the results to get their players to buy into it.

I'm sorry, but I've yet to see much reason to mention Haley's name with the likes of Parcells and company.

What is there to elaborate?

It seems pretty self explanatory.

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