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jwhit 11-08-2009 01:20 PM
Mike Brown is the worst free-agent pickup since Carlton Gray...
 
My God. These guys cut Bernard Pollard to make room for Brown.

The Bad Guy 11-08-2009 01:21 PM
Brown is terrible, but stop acting like Pollard is some savior.

Pollard was burned for his fair share of plays as well.

RealSNR 11-08-2009 01:21 PM
Fascinating, Jason.

jwhit 11-08-2009 01:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6243527)
Brown is terrible, but stop acting like Pollard is some savior.

Pollard was burned for his fair share of plays as well.
I'm sorry. I missed the "Pollard is a savior" part of my comment.

-King- 11-08-2009 01:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6243527)
Brown is terrible, but stop acting like Pollard is some savior.

Pollard was burned for his fair share of plays as well.
Im willing to bet money that we have allowed more 30+ yard plays this year than we had all year last year.

Hammock Parties 11-08-2009 01:30 PM
I have a feeling he's going to be the GIF'D UP King before it's all said and done.

doomy3 11-08-2009 01:30 PM
He is absolutely terrible. Not a good decision at all to cut Pollard for him. Not sure how anyone could argue otherwise. He is pitiful.

DeezNutz 11-08-2009 01:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jwhit (Post 6243512)
My God. These guys cut Bernard Pollard to make room for Brown.
The Brown acquisition is indefensible.

Shannon Sharpe clowns Brown at the half on CBS...

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-08-2009 01:30 PM
Pollard wasn't much, but he was younger and significantly better than Brown, who is now being clowned on CBS' halftime show.

Our starting safeties should have been Pollard and Morgan.

doomy3 11-08-2009 01:31 PM
Pollard just picked off Manning in the red zone...

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-08-2009 01:31 PM
At least Lance Long has 7 first half targets to Bowe's 2.

Time's Yours 11-08-2009 01:32 PM
I'll take talent over the right 53 at this point

doomy3 11-08-2009 01:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6243671)
At least Lance Long has 7 first half targets to Bowe's 2.
An unbelievably bad first half game plan. And some terrible playcalls and decisions as well.

DeezNutz 11-08-2009 01:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by phillip (Post 6243678)
I'll take talent over the right 53 at this point
At what point is talent not > an empty rhetorical device?

rambleonthruthefog 11-08-2009 01:33 PM
brown sucks worse than pollard sucks. neither are part of the future.

BossChief 11-08-2009 01:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6243656)
Pollard wasn't much, but he was younger and significantly better than Brown, who is now being clowned on CBS' halftime show.

Our starting safeties should have been Pollard and Morgan.
this

KC native 11-08-2009 01:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6243656)
Pollard wasn't much, but he was younger and significantly better than Brown, who is now being clowned on CBS' halftime show.

Our starting safeties should have been Pollard and Morgan.
This all the way. The only decision I've been truly pissed about this year was cutting Pollard for Mike Brown. I can deal with all of the other crap because our team was in such a big hole but cutting pollard for a slower shittier version of him has been by far halioli's biggest mistake.

Hammock Parties 11-08-2009 01:34 PM
OK, listen, I still say cutting Pollard was the right decision. Nothing he did warranted a roster spot.

But yeah, picking up Brown looks reeruned. If they wanted to pick up an old safety they should have grabbed Brian Dawkins.

BigChiefFan 11-08-2009 01:35 PM
When a player is yelling at coaches, you shitcan that player. It has nothing to do with talent level.

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-08-2009 01:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 6243684)
An unbelievably bad first half game plan. And some terrible playcalls and decisions as well.
We had a short week.

Plus, it's not like we really needed those two TO's that we wasted

milkman 11-08-2009 01:35 PM
I'd agree with the OP if Mike Goff wasn't signed this offseason, as well.

Our entire offseason sucked ass.

DeezNutz 11-08-2009 01:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6243705)
We had a short week.

Plus, it's not like we really needed those two TO's that we wasted
This list is long and not particularly distinguished.

The true question: what have Pioli and Haley done to demonstrate competence?

Time's Yours 11-08-2009 01:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6243701)
OK, listen, I still say cutting Pollard was the right decision. Nothing he did warranted a roster spot.
He was better than Brown. Cutting him was stupid. He was at least worth a backup spot even if you take Dawkins.

milkman 11-08-2009 01:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6243721)
This list is long and not particularly distinguished.

The true question: what have Pioli and Haley done to demonstrate competence?
Pronounced Itchyass NDukwe correctly.

:shrug:

BossChief 11-08-2009 01:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6243701)
OK, listen, I still say cutting Pollard was the right decision. Nothing he did warranted a roster spot.

But yeah, picking up Brown looks reeruned. If they wanted to pick up an old safety they should have grabbed Brian Dawkins.
NOT this and this

Mecca 11-08-2009 01:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6243721)
This list is long and not particularly distinguished.

The true question: what have Pioli and Haley done to demonstrate competence?
Nothing...at this point they're Dayton Moore and Trey Hillman.

AustinChief 11-08-2009 01:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jwhit (Post 6243512)
My God. These guys cut Bernard Pollard to make room for Brown.
he looks so bad that I am starting to wonder if there is something our coaches or defensive scheme is doing to make him look worse.... It is almost unimaginable that he REALLY is this bad and used to START for another team...

Titty Meat 11-08-2009 01:39 PM
lol Pollard picked off Manning the Chiefs should have kept him!

milkman 11-08-2009 01:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 6243734)
he looks so bad that I am starting to wonder if there is something our coaches or defensive scheme is doing to make him look worse.... It is almost unimaginable that he REALLY is this bad and used to START for another team...
Taking horrible angles is not a schematic problem.

BigChiefFan 11-08-2009 01:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by phillip (Post 6243723)
He was better than Brown. Cutting him was stupid. He was at least worth a backup spot even if you take Dawkins.
Do you really believe keeping a malcontent who got in coaches grills was wise?

Mecca 11-08-2009 01:40 PM
Pointing out how awful Brown is isn't someone getting on a soap box for Pollard, I don't know why everyone goes to that.

Param 11-08-2009 01:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6243721)

The true question: what have Pioli and Haley done to demonstrate competence?
: crickets :

Mecca 11-08-2009 01:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 6243743)
Do you really believe keeping a malcontent who got in coaches grills was wise?
Well I dunno seeing as these coaches look like inept boobs.

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-08-2009 01:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 6243734)
he looks so bad that I am starting to wonder if there is something our coaches or defensive scheme is doing to make him look worse.... It is almost unimaginable that he REALLY is this bad and used to START for another team...
Angles have nothing to do with gameplan. If you can't take the right angle in a Cover 2...well, ****.

Titty Meat 11-08-2009 01:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6243746)
Pointing out how awful Brown is isn't someone getting on a soap box for Pollard, I don't know why everyone goes to that.
I guess masterbation really does cause blindness. Why don't you read the other threads?

SenselessChiefsFan 11-08-2009 01:41 PM
I have figured out that signing Mike Brown is like trading up in every round. Brilliant.

BigChiefFan 11-08-2009 01:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6243746)
Pointing out how awful Brown is isn't someone getting on a soap box for Pollard, I don't know why everyone goes to that.
Gee, maybe the thread starter?;)

Deberg_1990 11-08-2009 01:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6243746)
Pointing out how awful Brown is isn't someone getting on a soap box for Pollard, I don't know why everyone goes to that.
Ummm..because the Thread starter mentioned Pollard in his opening statement. Why did he feel the need to do this??

wild1 11-08-2009 01:42 PM
Surely, Brown can't be playing much longer. Even the most hamstrung defense would fine SOMEONE else to put out there. A rookie. A guy off the street. Anyone.

Time's Yours 11-08-2009 01:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 6243743)
Do you really believe keeping a malcontent who got in coaches grills was wise?
Obviously.

DeezNutz 11-08-2009 01:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wild1 (Post 6243764)
Surely, Brown can't be playing much longer. Even the most hamstrung defense would fine SOMEONE else to put out there. A rookie. A guy off the street. Anyone.
Why is he playing now? Today's performance is hardly an anomaly.

AustinChief 11-08-2009 01:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6243740)
Taking horrible angles is not a schematic problem.
I know I know... just seems that he is so bad that I can't IMAGINE at one time he started for a team that wasn't the Chiefs....

wild1 11-08-2009 01:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6243795)
Why is he playing now? Today's performance is hardly an anomaly.
I dont know, you'll have to ask Clancy Pederast

Titty Meat 11-08-2009 01:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6243795)
Why is he playing now? Today's performance is hardly an anomaly.
Cuz New England didn't release any Safeties.

Mecca 11-08-2009 01:44 PM
It means Pollard is better than Brown and they chose the worse player...it in no way says Pollard is great or a pro bowler just that the team kept the worse player.

BigChiefFan 11-08-2009 01:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by phillip (Post 6243793)
Obviously.
LMAO

I'm sure, you're in the "keep LJ" camp, too?

DeezNutz 11-08-2009 01:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by billay (Post 6243810)
Cuz New England didn't release any Safeties.
And there's some truth to this statement.

wild1 11-08-2009 01:50 PM
Regarding "worst free agent pickup since carlton gray", Brown is on a 1 year deal for less than a million dollars. There was nothing wrong with signing him. There's something very wrong with still using him, but the signing was not a bad move.

If I remember right Gray was making 3 or 4 million (a more kingly sum 10 years ago no doubt) and had a multi-year deal. Brown is just a spare part they need to send off for recycling, it wasn't near the gaffe that Gray was.

There have been plenty of other poor ones recently anyway - Ty Law, Shawn Barber come to mind.

DeezNutz 11-08-2009 01:51 PM
Nice, Dorsey. Wrong ****ing thread.

Time's Yours 11-08-2009 01:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 6243815)
LMAO

I'm sure, you're in the "keep LJ" camp, too?
That was one of the worst parallels I've ever seen someone attempt to draw.

jwhit 11-08-2009 02:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 6243704)
When a player is yelling at coaches, you shitcan that player. It has nothing to do with talent level.
This is so naive.

BigChiefFan 11-08-2009 02:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jwhit (Post 6243999)
This is so naive.
Sure, it is, J. So according to you, coaches prefer the malcontents that get in their grill? Now, who's being naive?

-King- 11-08-2009 02:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 6244010)
Sure, it is, J. So according to you, coaches prefer the malcontents that get in their grill? Now, who's being naive?
When the player is smarter than the coach, Im sure you can make an exception, because Clancy has to be the dumbest coach in the NFL.

Mecca 11-08-2009 02:10 PM
Clancy Pendergast deserves to be hit in the face with bats by the players.

wild1 11-08-2009 02:11 PM
I'd like to see a new offensive and defensive coordinator introduced this offseason.

Clearly I think canning Gailey was a mistake. Maybe not a mistake per se to remove him, but to do so in camp without a replacement, just silly.

Clancy Pederast is just the new Greg Robinson

jwhit 11-08-2009 02:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 6244010)
Sure, it is, J. So according to you, coaches prefer the malcontents that get in their grill? Now, who's being naive?
You couldn't field a roster if you cut all the players who yell at coaches. Most coaches are lucky they don't get their asses whipped at least twice in their careers.

Mecca 11-08-2009 02:13 PM
Nah Jason we're just suppose to cut everyone who isn't a good little soldier for a regime that looks incompetent.

wild1 11-08-2009 02:14 PM
Thing is, I don't think that this would be a good team if Haley were a nice guy coach. I don't think it would be a good team with entirely different guys starting. It wouldn't be a good team with Pollard still on the roster.

Carl and Herm buried this ship so far in the silt that this year was just going to be a marathon of suck no matter what.

Haley is not good enough to make a terrible team watchable. Maybe when more talent arrives, he can take some talent and do something with it, but he can't turn water into wine.

wild1 11-08-2009 02:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6244054)
Nah Jason we're just suppose to cut everyone who isn't a good little soldier for a regime that looks incompetent.
Are you wearing your kneepads today?

Mecca 11-08-2009 02:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wild1 (Post 6244071)
Are you wearing your kneepads today?
They make mistakes that have nothing to do with talent that to me points to inept.

The same people that crucified Herm are giving Haley a pass for doing the same shit if not worse...Haley is a worse gameday coach than Herm, you know hard that is to do?

BigChiefFan 11-08-2009 02:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jwhit (Post 6244035)
You couldn't field a roster if you cut all the players who yell at coaches. Most coaches are lucky they don't get their asses whipped at least twice in their careers.
Thanks, Cable for your valuable insight. Pollard was insubordinate. Period.

-King- 11-08-2009 02:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wild1 (Post 6244064)
Thing is, I don't think that this would be a good team if Haley were a nice guy coach. I don't think it would be a good team with entirely different guys starting. It wouldn't be a good team with Pollard still on the roster.

Carl and Herm buried this ship so far in the silt that this year was just going to be a marathon of suck no matter what.

Haley is not good enough to make a terrible team watchable. Maybe when more talent arrives, he can take some talent and do something with it, but he can't turn water into wine.
Like Lance Long, Richardson, Mike Brown, Mike Goff, Ndukewe? That type of top tier talent the team brings in?

wild1 11-08-2009 02:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 6244089)
Like Lance Long, Richardson, Mike Brown, Mike Goff, Ndukewe? That type of top tier talent the team brings in?
Were they supposed to change over all 53+ players in the offseason?

Mecca 11-08-2009 02:20 PM
Lets not even mention the supposed franchise QB sucks butt.

LiL stumppy 11-08-2009 02:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6243527)
Brown is terrible, but stop acting like Pollard is some savior.

Pollard was burned for his fair share of plays as well.
your a freaking idiot if you would rather have brown than pollard

Time's Yours 11-08-2009 02:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wild1 (Post 6244124)
Were they supposed to change over all 53+ players in the offseason?
No but you'd like to see improvement in the positions where they made changes. This team is no better than last year's team despite a lot of personnel changes.

wild1 11-08-2009 02:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by phillip (Post 6244157)
No but you'd like to see improvement in the positions where they made changes. This team is no better than last year's team despite a lot of personnel changes.
This team will win more games than last year's team, 3 or 4 games, which isn't saying a lot but at least the franchise will have some direction. Carl Peterson, Herm Edwards, Gunther Cunningham, Tyler Thigpen, Larry Johnson, and a bunch of geriatrics and losers at every position was not direction.

Certainly Pioli/Haley is off to a rocky start, but at least they are trying to get better. They aren't trying to pass that team off from last year as a legitimate NFL team. They made a lot of changes, some worked and some didn't.

At a minimum I want to see the personnel changes they make after this year. I want to see the roster at midseason next year and see where we are.

You can't jump ship on a rebuild in the middle of the first season.

milkman 11-08-2009 02:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by phillip (Post 6244157)
No but you'd like to see improvement in the positions where they made changes. This team is no better than last year's team despite a lot of personnel changes.
This right here.

DeezNutz 11-08-2009 02:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wild1 (Post 6244195)
This team will win more games than last year's team.
Doubtful.

BigChiefFan 11-08-2009 02:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wild1 (Post 6244195)
This team will win more games than last year's team, 3 or 4 games, which isn't saying a lot but at least the franchise will have some direction. Carl Peterson, Herm Edwards, Gunther Cunningham, Tyler Thigpen, Larry Johnson, and a bunch of geriatrics and losers at every position was not direction.

Certainly Pioli/Haley is off to a rocky start, but at least they are trying to get better. They aren't trying to pass that team off from last year as a legitimate NFL team. They made a lot of changes, some worked and some didn't.

At a minimum I want to see the personnel changes they make after this year. I want to see the roster at midseason next year and see where we are.

You can't jump ship on a rebuild in the middle of the first season.
Agreed. It's painful to watch and go through, but getting rid of 20 years of Carl's ineptitude can't be done overnight.

milkman 11-08-2009 02:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wild1 (Post 6244195)
This team will win more games than last year's team, 3 or 4 games, which isn't saying a lot but at least the franchise will have some direction. Carl Peterson, Herm Edwards, Gunther Cunningham, Tyler Thigpen, Larry Johnson, and a bunch of geriatrics and losers at every position was not direction.

Certainly Pioli/Haley is off to a rocky start, but at least they are trying to get better. They aren't trying to pass that team off from last year as a legitimate NFL team. They made a lot of changes, some worked and some didn't.

At a minimum I want to see the personnel changes they make after this year. I want to see the roster at midseason next year and see where we are.

You can't jump ship on a rebuild in the middle of the first season.
But in a rebuild, you'd like to see one position, at the very least, upgraded.

I don't see it.

wild1 11-08-2009 02:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6244207)
Doubtful.
I could be wrong, sure.

Do you think this year's team, with the current coaching staff, would lose to last year's team with Herm at the helm? I don't think so.

BigChiefFan 11-08-2009 02:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6244220)
But in a rebuild, you'd like to see one position, at the very least, upgraded.

I don't see it.
We've been through this and agreed. The KICKER is upgraded. ;)

wild1 11-08-2009 02:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6244220)
But in a rebuild, you'd like to see one position, at the very least, upgraded.

I don't see it.
Quarterback was upgraded, and we have two defensive ends who are at this point, fine. We're no worse off at linebacker, possibly better. We're fine at punter, and kicker was upgraded.

I want to argue that at safety we are not stagnant, we don't have upgrades in place but we have unseated the entrenched, crappy, starters, so we're working to upgrade those positions even though they have not yet been solidified. In a way it's not an upgrade but a positive to break through the status quo there. That's all contingent on someone replacing Brown, someone else and Morgan would be the right move there.

It's not a lot, but you can't expect all the middle round picks to be difference makers 8 games into their first year either.

milkman 11-08-2009 02:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wild1 (Post 6244262)
Quarterback was upgraded, and we have two defensive ends who are at this point, fine. We're no worse off at linebacker, possibly better. We're fine at punter, and kicker was upgraded.

It's not a lot, but you can't expect all the middle round picks to be difference makers 8 games into their first year either.
I'm sorry, but what I see is a taller version of Thigpen.

So if taller is an upgrade, I agree.

doomy3 11-08-2009 02:33 PM
Pollard just had his second pick of the game today.

Deberg_1990 11-08-2009 02:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wild1 (Post 6244262)
Quarterback was upgraded,
Was it?? I want to believe that....but i cant honestly say it was at this point.

wild1 11-08-2009 02:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6244271)
I'm sorry, but what I see is a taller version of Thigpen.

So if taller is an upgrade, I agree.
:rolleyes:

DeezNutz 11-08-2009 02:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wild1 (Post 6244225)
Do you think this year's team, with the current coaching staff, would lose to last year's team with Herm at the helm? I don't think so.
Yes.

Because we have the same QB, and a gimmick offense allows for an under-talented player to have some level of success.

Mecca 11-08-2009 02:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wild1 (Post 6244294)
:rolleyes:
I'm sorry, Cassel has been nothing short of awful.


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