What position do we need the most in the first round?
 

Half of you were saying LT.

Is that still true?

Dline?

Taylor Mays or Eric Berry

We need players at almost every position, therefore you take the best player/playmaker available.

This team needs talent, not to reach for need - again.

mays or berry. no question.

we can get oline later in the draft or FA

yup

Clearly OL,but everyone will say you don't take a OL with as high a 1st round pick as we will have.I think after taking Tyson Jackson at 3 we cant do any worse a pick in the first round if we go OL.I voted for going with Berry with our first rounder in a recent poll on here though.

This a million times over

Another passrusher I'm guessing.

Pioli wont pass on that.

I'm not advocating LT or OL, but Jake Long and Joe Thomas would disagree with you there....


The Chiefs are bereft of talent at every single position, so go BPA, as everyone else has already said.

We can agree on that,clearly we need playmakers at more than just the OL position.

Absolutely. The word "need" should be removed from the drafting lexicon for the next 5 years.

BPA

(but after today, I am on the Berry wagon!)

who will the teams in front of us draft, if there are any?

I think this year, the board consensus is back to BPA, positional value be damned.

Yeah Im usually go for need,but when you need 10-15 starters you kinda have to go BPA.

The Chiefs will not have a winning record until they fix their offensive line. It isn't Pioli's fault that Carl drafted a guard in the first round a few years ago. If there is a LT worthy of a top 5 pick the Chiefs should take him.

I agree good post

The two are such amazing prospects.
I think you're right. To get that kind of talent at any position would be a coup for this front office.

Pioli is catching a lot of shit that is King Carl's fault,but I still haven't seen the GENIUS wave his miracle wand over the land and make the streets turn to gold.

Because it's his multi-million dollar ****ing JOB to correct that "shit".

And so it begins...

It's pretty obvious that Safety is a major concern on the team along with the OL & WR. Berry or Mays would be a perfect fit for this team. I'm not sure if there's a LT that's good enough to be picked that high & I know there isn't a WR because Bryant is the best WR & he will be in the 10-15 range.

For the next three years, I'd be happy if they went O-Line and D-line for the first three picks in the draft. Everything starts with the line. If you have the best O-line in football, you can get by with late-round running backs.

Just say yes to Mays.

screw BPA
we don't need a qb(no Oline)
no rb(see above)
we need line
o and d
safeties
lb
just make sure he is worth the money

Any 22 players off the street... oh wait!

Trade Dorsey and take Ndominik Suh
Chefs need a LT, but i'm not sure if any are worthy of a top 3 pick

When I see people pining to use a top 10 pick on an offensive lineman it makes me want to vomit.

This. Nothing else matters at this point.

Too bad there isn't an elite player at every position every single year in the top five like some people seem to believe. Position Taylor Mays please.

It is definitely best player available. We should try to trade back and aquire more pics.

missionary..oh wait...or not.

And there is not a single offensive lineman worth a top 10 pick.

And lose in the first round of the playoffs.

Some people will never learn.

All of them.

Offensive lineman is typically the most solid pick you can get though, right?

What draft picks have we given away for this year? When would our next pick be? When have glimmers of hope elsewhere that we can work with, except the offensive line. I'm still undecided about when to pick one, but that is definitely our greatest need.

This

No pick is really "safe" Robert Gallery was a top 5 pick, he hasn't worked out.

This team is bad we need to be taking the best available player, we need playmakers.

This as well.

They said the same thing when Clady came out.

:clap:

Usually they are.

Its funny though how this team hasn't invested much in Offensive lineman when it comes to the first day of the draft.

If he had gone to a top 5 team that was predominately a power oriented team, he would have been a terrible pick.

He went to a team that used the perfect system to utilize his talent.

And he wasn't the first lineman taken in his draft...

If you take a OT with your first pick this year in the top 10 you are pissing on playmakers.

You desire to rebuild a team that couldn't even win a playoff game.

Left tackles are fairly risky picks.

But to your point, the best Guards and Centers go off the board in the late first, early second. That means that if you use your early second on one of those guys, you'll get one of the best Guards or Centers in the draft class. And if you use a 3rd round pick on either of those guys, you're still drafting one of the better players in that draft class.

Moral of the story? You can SIGNIFICANTLY upgrade the offensive line by bringing in 3 players either through free agency or rounds 2-4 of the draft. I'd rather have a playmaker in the first, and solid guys in those o-line positions in the 2-4th.

Don't you think improving the offensive line would ultimately help improve the playmakers we thought we already had? I'm not a Cassel fan at all, but I do think we'd be able to judge him more fairly if he had at least a little coverage.

I agree.

But the key word is "FIRST DAY." Which, to me, still means first, second or third round (even if the first day is now only the first and second round).

I don't think anybody here is saying to ignore the o-line again. We're all just saying that you don't need to use a top 5 pick to get it.

No I don't because we have no playmakers...this team is slow, especially on defense.

And you can build an offensive line out of the first round.

Trust me, I 100% agree with you there. But you can get starters in the 2nd-4th round. It just so happens that this team under Carl Peterson never tried because they were so busy building for now that they never thought to bring in some young guys to replace Shields and Wiegmann when their time was running short.

I agree.

But, this team needs to learn how to draft better overall period. Its not the BPA thats gonna make a difference, its the guys in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th rds, etc...that will make a difference. I don't care what anyone says. This is what they need to do to fill the voids.

The major problem with taking lineman with really early picks is it's a playmakers league, if you are a solid team without them you are what the Chiefs use to be...a playoff team that loses.

By the way, for those who don't understand why we need a safety....

In the last several games, the defense hasn't been horrible. They are getting killed by giving up way too many big plays. And why are they giving up too many big plays?
1. The LBs and Safeties are not maintaining their gap responsibility. Once a RB cuts through a lane, our safeties are nowhere to be found.
2. The Safeties are showing up to break up the play 3 steps too late
3. Our safeties are taking terrible, terrible, terrible angles to make tackles, and it usually results in a receiver/running back cutting loose for a huge play that should have been stopped 20+ yards shorter.

Our safeties just exist. They don't make plays. They don't anticipate plays. They only make stops if the plays come to them. Playmakers come to plays, not the other way around. Our defense hasn't played terrible, but our safeties have been playing beyond atrocious.

;)Right. and Id like to express my point.

It all depends. I think if you wanna go tackle, a majority of the time those guys go in the first.

Guards, Centers can be taken in the 2nd or 3rd...But its a looooong time since I recall that the Chiefs have drafted a guard or center in the 2nd or 3rd round. Thats where I wanted to get at.

No, I disagree.

The 1st round is your only shot at getting a clear-cut playmaker. The 2nd to 5th rounds are where you get your solid guys. No Guard is ever going to be considered a "playmaker." They just do their job and some of them do it very well.

Playmakers are guys who can do above and beyond their position. Look at Polamalu. The difference between Polamalu and Bernard Pollard is that he's so good, that you can use him as an extra blitzer, you can use him in pass coverage, you can blitz the house and leave him on an island, you can even use him as an attacker in run defense. What did Sammy Knight do in KC? He covered some tight ends, he defended the box, he hit some receivers as they were coming up the middle... that's about it.

Knight, in his better years, wasn't a terrible safety. But the difference between a decent safety and a playmaker is the difference between Knight and Polamalu. You can do 1,000 things with Polamalu that you simply can't do with a solid but unspectacular starter like Knight.

I'd rather take a playmaker first and look at lineman in the following rounds.

We are taking Cody from Alabama.

The Oline is by far the worst unit on the team and they make all of skill guys on offense look worse.

Draft a LT and and you make two spots on the Oline better. Albert gets to move to RT and you have now upgraded two spots greatly. This make Cassell, Bowe, RB everybody better on the offense.

The is far from a great NFL defense, but if our offense could get a few 1st downs the other team would not get nearly as many shots.

Getting a stud LT makes 2 Oline positions better, helps the skill guys and should help the defense. No other draft pick can do this for the Chiefs.
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I hate our offensive line obsessed fan base.

Since Albert is such a wonderful road grader type he would make such a great RT. :rolleyes:

I haven't read through all the replies here but it has to be safety. Even Shannon Sharpe said today "Mike Brown, touchdown......Mike Brown, touchdown....there is a pattern here."

And it's true. Every long play I can remember this year was due to Mike Brown getting abused somehow.

Every single one of the big plays this year was bc of a missed tackle by Brown or getting flat out beat.

I think with this fan base the Chiefs could literally draft a lineman first every year and people would call it great.

I don't understand why people desire to rebuild a team that never won anything.

The biggest impact player they can get ... i'm not picky about the position.


he better bring IMPACT to the game though!!


i'll leave now this thread now so the Berry cumfest(that i'm sure is happening) can continue.

I went back and read it. And I find myself agreeing with Mecca again many times on the same day. I expect the apocalypse any minute.

You flat out do not need to take offensive linemen early to build a good line. Second, we flat out HAVE to address the line in free agency. I don't really want to address the line through the draft until after the 1st round.

Mike Brown is killing the defense all by himself. Morgan didn't embarrass himself today and I'm interested to see if his play improves throughout the season.

Exactly. I can think of two games we lost due to Brown all by himself.

I don't know how you couldn't be optimistic about Morgan's play today. He didn't have any Ed Reed-type plays, but he did his job, and did it well.

Give the guy time to mature (he's got loads of raw talent) and you may end up with a hell of a player.

Because, in spite of the fact that this team hasn't won a damn thing since before Nixon was impeached, they think that the 90s and the years under Dick were some special years.

The fact is, they were mediocre teams with outstanding O-lines, but when it came time to play with the big boys, the big boys great playmakers and we had great O-Lines.

Great O-Lines win a lot of games.

Great playmakers win championships.

Which means I fully expect Morgan to be sitting on the bench next week while McGraw and Brown play.

You can get any postion at any point in the draft. Look at Colston undrafted WR. The farther down the draft the high chance of getting a miss. We need on LT that can play from day 1 not grow into the position.

LT for reasons already stated is the only choice to make.
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Dallas and Oakland

This post reminds me of the Chiefs/Dallas Thanksgiving game where they showed Marty saying his team was deeper yadda yadda then the Cowboys playmakers proceeded to whip our asses.

Colston was a 7th rounder.

We don't need to take a left tackle. OMG that would be epic failure. Albert will be fine. He's having a rough year this year. He'll be fine. Jake long is struggling as did Joe Thomas his 2nd year. It's not uncommon.

People thinking we need to take a left tackle in the first round need to take the bag off of their head.

Not to mention there isn't an elite LT prospect...Russell Okung really? Anyone that watches him and thinks he's an elite prospect well I don't know what they're looking at.

So let's take Russel Okung, who by the way is slow of foot, and only looks like a first round pick because he plays in a spread and doesn't have to hold blocks.

I can't even begin to say how awkward and slow he looked against Texaz, falling on his ass more than a couple of times when he missed blocks cause he was to slow to get a body on a quick Texas defender.

Heck freaking MU made Okung look bad.

I never said Okung. I'm assuming a LT with a high 1st round grade is available. If there not a LT worth of a high 1st round then no, take another position.
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Yea there's not I pointed it out earlier in the thread...