Get of Mark Castle's back!
 

First and foremost... I am no Cassel apologist but I am tired of reading posts just bashing Matt left and right.

Here are the numbers. And before I get started... **** all this "garbage time" bullshit. EVERY QB in the league has garbage time stats so let's not get too wrapped up in that. It's not like teams have replaced all their starters with 2nd and 3rd stringers at the end of games on us.

This is a statistical comparison of current QB's 2nd season as full time starters. Cassel, Ryan, & Flacco's stats are projected numbers of 16 games played in a season.

Pay special attention to the TD, INT, and Sack numbers.

Completions
Cassel - 286
Ryan - 312
Flacco - 366
Brady - 373
McNabb - 285
Rivers - 277

Attempts
Cassel - 514
Ryan - 514
Flacco - 564
Brady - 601
McNabb - 493
Rivers - 460

Completion Percentage
Cassel - 55.6
Ryan - 60.9
Flacco - 64.9
Brady - 62.1
McNabb - 57.8
Rivers - 60.2

Yards
Cassel - 2871
Ryan - 3568
Flacco - 4088
Brady - 3764
McNabb - 3233
Rivers - 3152

TDs
Cassel - 23
Ryan - 26
Flacco - 24
Brady - 23
McNabb - 25
Rivers - 21

INTs
Cassel - 11
Ryan - 20
Flacco - 14
Brady - 14
McNabb - 12
Rivers - 15

Sacks
Cassel - 62
Ryan - 24
Flacco - 32
Brady - 31
McNabb - 39
Rivers - 22

What I get out of the stats.

While Cassel could certainly stand to improve his completion percentage and total yardage, he is doing a damn fine job of producing in this ****tarded offense. His completion and total yardage stats have been killed due to the fact that the man has zero time to set up and find an open receiver as shown by the sack numbers. I would love to know the number of times each QB was hurried and forced to run but if the sack numbers are any indication, Cassel would nearly double the amount of any of the QB's listed in this comparison. His mobility has likely saved him from another dozen or so sacks at the halfway mark.

People dog Cassel for being unable to throw the deep ball. Hopefully that argument was squelched a bit after the long pass to Chambers today whom he hit in stride for a TD. It is amazing what a competent QB can do when he has a bit of time and a receiver with reliable hands & a touch of speed.

Lastly, and probably of most importance for a team like the Chiefs who are in transition on both sides of the ball, Cassel takes care of the damn ball while still throwing TD's. Cassel is on pace to throw fewer interceptions than any of the QB's listed in the comparison despite his o-line's inability to keep him on his feet. In fact, he has thrown interceptions in only 2 of his 7 games played so far this season. Oh yeah... and though he has been sacked more than any of the QB's listed he has yet to lose a fumble.

I don't know what more you want from the guy.

It's not his fault 3/5 of his offensive line would not start on ANY other team in the NFL.

Its not his fault that his coach is calling a limp dick game offensively.

Its not his fault that his featured RB averaged a whopping 2.7 yards per carry with 0 TDs prior to his suspension and release.

Its not his fault his receivers can't get open.

Its not his fault he is having to pick himself up off the ground on half the passing plays.

I'm not claiming that this guy will be the next Manning, Brees, or Brady. I'm saying this guy COULD be a solid QB for seasons to come if he only had some protection.

I like to bitch about the team as much as the next feller but let's bitch about the players that deserved to be bitched about.

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I for one would like to see him throw to the first down marker on 3rd down. Not sure if this is all on him or on the coaching but it just pisses me off to see a QB throw 10 yards short of the 1st down marker on 3rd down. Of course you're not going to throw many INT's when you are throwing check down passes well short of the marker.

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You dumb sonofabitch, TD, Completion %, and INT #s will be inflated when 5 of your TDs are in garbage time and you always look to check down if the first option is covered.

Furthermore, those QBs aren't getting garbage time stats b/c they are winning most of their games and thus running the ball late.

Most importantly, he's 27, and you're comparing him to guys that are 23.

If you want a real look at a QB's ability, YPA is the most telling stat, and his is awful

He also came nowhere near hitting Chambers in stride you ****ing dipshit.

God, just kill yourself.

The drafturbators will break upon this thread like a tidal wave upon the rocks.

Hang on to something.

*slowclap

I knew this had to be coming!

I cant believe anyone would watch a single game and say some dumb shit like "I dont know what more you guys could want"

Its like Herm made some of the fans dumb too.

ROFL

When people desperately want the team to be going in the right direction it can be hard to look at a player for what he is.

If Cassel isn't good that just sets us back even further so it's easier to just say he's doing fine.

Sometimes on this board, I feel like John McClane talking to that dumbass police dispatcher in Die Hard.

Dispatcher: Sir, this channel is reserved for emergency calls only.
John: No ****ing shit lady, do I sound like I'm ordering a pizza?

If Cassel really throws 23 TDs against 11 INT this year, the drafturbators and the true fans are going to have a ****ing holy war in the offseason.

Hamas and OTWP might double their post counts.

It's going to be funny how pissed they'll be when Pioli trades Bowe too

You do realize he has inflated stats, you could pull people off this forum to complete a lot of the passes he completes.

62 sacks speaks to how he holds the ball to long, his completion % is balls for a guy who loves to checkoff. You expect 60% from a guy who is a downfield passer...

Cassel doesn't throw many picks because he's petrified to take chances, instead he takes sacks or throws a 2 yard pass on 3rd and long.

The guy doesnt have time to check every ****ing receiver because he has exactly no time from the second the ball is snapped to the point where he has to get rid of it.

What the **** do you want him to do? Float on a god damn cloud until one of the DBs trips and falls finally allowing someone to get open?

Yup... coming into this week 4 of those teams were at 4-3 or worse. ****ing powerhouses there.... no doubt.

This is his second year starting. Him being 27 does not translate to on the field experience nor does it translate to him leading the football equivalent of the bad news bears.

Of course his YPA is awful! His coach is calling ****ing dump offs on 3rd and 19 and he doesnt have time to let his receivers get open. You know that stuff that Charlie and his grandfather drank in Willy Wonka that made them float is fake, right?

I do.

And it will yield much traffic this offseason.

A 27 year old does not get the same margin of error as a rookie, if we're going to treat him that way this is already a loser because by the time he's any good he'll be 32.

Cassel is doing the same shit he was doing in NE last year, quick dump outs the difference is we don't have Welker or Moss to turn those into big plays.

And his coaching from last year is still ingrained in his head of "don't make mistakes, take the sack don't throw the pick"

NE told him that cause they could win as long as he didn't **** up, that's not gonna cut it anymore.

I'd have the ****ing meltdown of meltdowns.

So you are saying by the time he's fired he will have turned us into the Lions and we'll have an 0-16 season?

Dwayne Bowe is a beast but I think they will trade him.

Well it'll be fun trying to move the ball with 0 offensive players.

No what i'm saying is exactly what you pointed out. Bowe isn't of the Moss/Welker ilk.

You think Pioli will just trade Bowe and not bring in any talent?

Well they got rid of a bunch of guys this year and replaced them with worse players...

To be fair, I wonder what limitations Haley has put on him, and how much is just him being scared to take a shot.

I read an article that quoted BB as saying Cassel was instructed to take sacks instead of throwing the ball away in his first 7 or so games because he was only looking at his first two reads then taking his eyes off the receivers and looked at the rush. Collinsworth said this in the nfln replays of the games too. He has that same problem now and that makes me wonder how much he is really progressing.

Trent Green might have thrown alot of picks, but he also threw a lot to try and keep us in games...he was taking chances. Cassel just looks scared to make a mistake...I bet some of that reason is the fire ball that would shoot from Haleys mouth straight at him if he did make a bunch of mistakes.

God, please save my team and its fans from themselves!!!

Like I said those guys aren't long term replacements this season was nothing but a year to see who can play.

I need to type faster!

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I somewhat agree with you.

I did not like the signing to begin with but it is done and we now have to live with Cassel. But the relentless bitching and moaning about Cassel is ****ing ridiculous.

The guy isn't calling the plays and he is doing what he can with this ****tastic team he is playing on. He has never once quit on this team despite getting hit shit pushed in on a weekly basis.

I will disagree with you on a previous post about his holding on to the ball too long. Cassel gets pressured damn near every time he drops back. The guy simply does not have enough time.

Even then... I would 10x rather him take the sack than turn the ball over. If we had some sort of defense then I would take a different stance. ****ing chuck that ball and let the D clean up the mess if its picked off. But that is not the case which leaves us needed EVERY possession we have to even make a game of it.

Anymore I am watching games wondering how many points we are going to give up THIS drive as opposed to if they are going to score at all.

Cassel is nothing like Green, Green threw the ball down the field, even when this team was bad he was throwing picks because he was going for big plays.

For the most part Cassel won't even attempt it.

I think Cassel is ridiculously gun shy, this is a bad team if he throws a pick going for a big play so be it.

But he plays like we have a great defense and as long as he doesn't **** up we might win, I don't want a QB like that.

I am not trying to make excuses for Cassel...he needs to play better.

But, I think that #1 we lack receivers who can get open down the field and #2 the pass protection is so awful most of the time calling downfield routes is wishful thinking. If you watch a lot of plays guys are looking at the quarterback almost immediately after running four or five yards down the field. Haley knows his offense's limitations...

If we're still dealing with a 5.5 YPA QB when the pass protection has improved and and receivers are getting open down the field....then it's an issue. Until then I'm more inclined to harp on him for holding onto the ball and accuracy issues.

I doubt it, Haley ha spoken highly of him and it would likely be partially his call.

I can see them letting Flowers and Carr move on though. NE never valued corners and usually let them go when their contracts came up.

That will be the meltdown.

That is where I disagree with you.

I see it as he plays knowing we have shit for D. We can't afford turnovers. This defense can't stop anyone. By controlling the ball and taking sacks we are at the very minimum controlling field position.

Again, though I don't believe Cassel will be the next Montana or Elway, I believe he will do much better next season assuming we actually address the o-line.

Me neither, even Peyton Manning threw a shit ton of picks because he truste his arm enough to try.

Id rather die on my feet, than live on my knees.

Look even if you think we have no time to go down the field at all, throw the short passes to Bowe then, how hard is that?

He is the only player we have on offense you do whatever you can to feed him the ball.

See I think that's ass backwards, playing this way and being coached this way is how you ruin QB's.

When you are on a bad team you take chances to make plays, Cassel plays like he's a game manager of a 90s Chiefs team.

Whitlock should tell Haley to visit this board!

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Matt Cassel won't even attempt a throw unless the guy has a huge gap of separation that is all I need to know about what he's thinking.

He's a game manager QB who doesn't want to make mistakes. This is suppose to be our franchise?

What was the sales pitch by the Cassholes again? Oh yeah; experience!

God help this franchise.

That's my breaking point, right there. There is no turning back for Pioli at that point. You think I'm an asshole to him now?
Oh my god you can't even BEGIN to imagine what I'm capable of if he ****s that up.

Flacco has 2, Ryan has 1, Rivers has 3.
This is not unique to Cassel. QB's benefit from "garbage time" situations all over the league.

He has time to go through his reads with this God-awful line protecting him?

Chambers made a negligible adjustment to catch that ball.
To a ball thrown to the middle of the field (where any good deep ball should be placed in that situation).

Asante Samuel

or

Ty Law

how does he play it with Flowers and Carr?

iirc Carr is only signed till the end of next year.

Flowers the next.

I may be wrong.

Brandon Carr sucks anyways

I don't think either of them will command a huge contract.

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If he plays alot of Madden he probably does think they suck, the Chiefs CB's are useless on that game.

Did you watch the Chargers game? Carr should have gave up 2 td's. He gets burnt alot.

Honestly most of the team is useless, everyone is so god damn slow.

I don't give a **** about Carr, but Flowers has the potential to be the best CB this team has had since Emmit Thomas.

thing is, you dont really know what was his fault unless you can decipher the defense. He may appear to have given up a td when he was actually passing his man off to the safety to continue to mind his responsibility.

Every corner gives it up once in awhile, the good ones keep fighting and dont repeat mistakes. Carr is a good corner and is improving every game IMO. He is also faster and bigger than Flowers.

I would be fine if they were our starting corners for the next seven years.

at least James Hasty

certainly better than Warfield!ROFL

I always like Dale Carter personally.

Jeezus, ****in' Warfield...:shake:

The game has changed a lot since those days.

Until McCaffery is burning his ass for a long-bomb down the stretch.

I'm like, "Come on man; he's WHITE for ****s sake"!ROFL

God damn that honkey...:D

WTF was the deal behind us not keeping him? He was one of my favorites too.

Denver offered him a ton of money, I'm also not sure I had ever seen a player more universally hated by the Chiefs fan base that played for the team than Carter at that time.

His "I was LJ before LJ "-trip maybe?

I was happy to see Dale leave. The guy was in the same boat as LJ with arrests, DUIs, and beating on women.

Yea but he was actually good and was good for a period of time.

Carter made several pro bowls while he was here.

And we're back to what I say, I really could give 2 shits how they act off the field they play like pro bowlers that's all that matters.

They aren't my buddies.

I don't want to field a team of nothing but nice guys but the line has to be drawn somewhere... their actions are a reflection upon the organization. Not only that but what kind of message do we send to future NFL'ers if we overlook gross misconduct just because they are good at their job?

I was still in Cali at the time iirc and news on the Chiefs back then was hard to come by

thanks for the info! + rep to all of you who gave it

The Cowboys bowl teams were full if assholes, they won 3 bowls that's all that matters.

I concur, during the Raider game the first thing I thought of he was playing scared or coaches speak "Playing not to lose". Face it guys , Cassel shouldn't be the franchise QB if he is scared shitless in making a mistake( INTs) and when he does make one it's goodnight sweet prince. It will come in bunches after the initial error, thus He doesn't have the mentality to be a good QB, due to his personality being a hothead. Which in turn makes him press.

this team is missing a few just straight up nasty mutha ****as!

Im all for adding Merriman if he hits the open market because of that fact.

I HATE seeing a defensive player help a offensive player up after a hit, I want a guy that kicks players when they are down and is just not a nice guy. At least one!

Merriman without the roids = Quincy Black

Who?

exactly

I don't mind a little "bad boy"-ish behavior as long as the player in question respects his team mates, the City, and the fans.

Ideally, everyone has the talent of DT and keeps their personal shit on the down-low, but that seems to be the exception more than the rule.
Or ****; just be "weird" or unique like Ocho or Troy, but be a great player.
There's plenty of room for personality and quirkiness, or for even just being a straight-up horses ass as long as you show the game the respect it deserves.

I agree wholeheartedly with this post.

A little bad boy-ish behavior is fine and dandy. I think we are in agreement though that beating on women and endangering peoples lives driving drunk goes past that though.

I think some here are thinking everything is the roids. It isnt, he suffered a really bad knee injury that takes two full calendar years to fully heal from. He has awhile to go till that and he has recently shown signs of getting back to where he was.

He has 4 sacks in the last two games and when he was all juiced up he got 20 in 14 games.

If it doesnt cost us a pick, what do WE have to lose? Hunt owes us at least one shot at a premier player like him. There are always gonna be risks involved, if he doesnt return to form, we lost some cap space (if there is a cap) ...who really cares, we have so much cap space we are likley paying penalties for not spending enough. We are below tthe cap floor and into the cap basement! And the basement is flooding!

Right. You can't go "Big Baby" on the world around you in this league and expect everyone to have your back at that point, regardless of how talented you may be.

Without delving in to a miasma of social-engineering gobbledygook; at the end of the day, you have to carry yourself like a man who still has everything to prove and who takes no blessings for granted.
THAT's the big difference I see between talented, winning individuals, and True Champions.

Right now, Troy Polamalu is the guy I hold up as being the epitome of that concept.

Its easy to always focus on the qb. Women do that. They'll know nothing about football and when the team is 1-7 they'll say "They need a new qb" because that's all they know about football. Kind of like Chiefs Planet.
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Matt Cassel's high school football picture isn't much better...

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This is my helmet, there are many like it, but this is mine...

SORRY but you are sooo ****ing wrong here. watch it again.

I just want Haley to open up the offense earlier in the game. Matt has done okay, in what his detractors call garbage time, when given the green light to go deep consistently. Try getting the run game going and let him throw the ball down the field.

(Checks "damage control/Cassel" off the list)

Well I am sure no drafturbator, in fact probably the polar opposite. But Cassel has sucked and continues to get worse. Sunday was his worst showing to date IMO, when it counted. When there was plenty of time left in the game, he sucked.

He misses wide open targets, by a lot. He hurries throws, but holds on to the ball to long, a seemingly difficult task.

I am hoping a lot of this will improve when he gets better protection, but I am equally concerned that he is now damaged goods.

Uhh, when you don't have a good defense, you don't control field position.

Cassel is ranked 24th in QB rating and 27th in completion %. You can point to all the stats you want, but the only people completing less passes than him is Kerry Collins, Mark Sanchez, Matt Stafford, Josh Johnson, JaMarcus Russell and Derek Anderson.
Thats embarrassing no matter how you slice it. Jake Delhomme is completing more passes. So is David Garrard, Trent Edwards and Shaun Hill. All except maybe Garrard will likely be backups next year or at the very least have someone drafted to replace them.

I realize there is no crystal ball in football, but Pioli had to realize that Cassel would not look nearly as good this year as he did last year, yet he paid him like he did. If they gave him $10m guaranteed, Cassel would have signed whatever contract they put in front of him. The fact that Pioli gave Cassel a huge contract in the offseason does not speak well of his ability to manage the payroll of this team. There was absolutely no reason to do it. He was going to play here, no matter what, this season and we had plenty of cap space to pay him, yet Cassel had a stacked deck in his favor and Pioli knew it but played anyway. Right now it looks like Cassel got his bluff in and won anyway.

ROFL why would he do that when he was GUARANTEED 14$ Million for this year ALONE. so in your opinion he would have taken LESS money than he was already guaranteed?

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Just for the fun of it, let's throw in Aaron Rodgers numbers projected out over his 2nd season just like Cassels. Same order as the other guys...

Completions 328
Attempts 520
Percent 63.1
Yards 4510
TD's 32
INT's 10
Sacks 74

And Rogers is only 25 as compared to 27.

I'm not bashing on Cassel (and his name is Matt Cassel, not Mark Castle... so in a way, you are disrespecting Cassel more than most here). I just feel like we have the right to question his abilities just like any other player on the team. He is not doing his job to a satisfactory level game in and game out. In fact, besides a moment or two in three games (Oakland, Dallas, Jax), he has been pretty poor at best.

Sure, I see him not have a lot of time to throw on many occasions. But I also see him have time on once in a while... maybe a roll out or scramble... when he has had time to set his feet, and had receivers open, and he has missed them badly. Yes, I have seen the best of QB's do that as well. But I also see other QB's make those plays on a much more consistant basis.

I find it hard to believe you can watch any game so far this season, and not start to question weather Cassel shouldn't be pulled for the better of the team. If not, then everybody else including Brown, Rudy, Goff, Albert, Carr, and on and on, should get a free pass as well.