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Coogs 12-31-2009 09:47 AM

Thursday is here again. Walter's has an update...
 
And even though we moved up 2 spots in the draft, everyting is the same.

All Big 12... All of the time...

#3 in the first Okung
Second Miller
Second Stuckey
Third Shipley

Happy New Year!

http://walterfootball.com/draft2010.php

El Jefe 12-31-2009 09:52 AM

Everytime I see Okung's name with our pick I want to punch a baby.

MOhillbilly 12-31-2009 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcchiefsfanGoLJ (Post 6393931)
Everytime I see Okung's name with our pick I want to punch a baby.

Thats not very nice.

Nobody likes a baby puncher.

swayy07 12-31-2009 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MOhillbilly (Post 6393934)
Thats not very nice.

Nobody likes a baby puncher.

how many babys does it take to paint a wall? one if you throw it hard enough....and thats what ill be doing if we draft okung

MOhillbilly 12-31-2009 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swayy07 (Post 6393937)
how many babys does it take to paint a wall? one if you throw it hard enough....and thats what ill be doing if we draft okung

were not gonna draft another OT in round 1.

BigRedChief 12-31-2009 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 6393923)
And even though we moved up 2 spots in the draft, everyting is the same.

All Big 12... All of the time...

#3 in the first Okung
Second Miller
Second Stuckey
Third Shipley

Happy New Year!

http://walterfootball.com/draft2010.php

why would we draft a RT at #3?
Gots to go
Claussen
Suh
Berry

beer bacon 12-31-2009 10:00 AM

In Walter's draft scenario, what would it take for us to move up from the top of the 2nd to #29 so we could grab Cody?

BigRedChief 12-31-2009 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beer bacon (Post 6393952)
In Walter's draft scenario, what would it take for us to move up from the top of the 2nd to #29 so we could grab Cody?

Both of the 2nd rounders?

Icon 12-31-2009 10:02 AM

That mock is a giant vortex of epic suck...

DeezNutz 12-31-2009 10:02 AM

Walters always kills Pioli on the Cassel acquisition:

"When the Chiefs selected Tyson Jackson over Aaron Curry in the 2009 NFL Draft, it showed me that Scott Pioli favors positional value over talent. If he follows this principle again, he'll take Russell Okung over Eric Berry if both options are available to him.

Left tackle is a huge need because Pioli must protect his $63 million (million with a line through it--didn't show up with the copy/cut/paste) investment in Matt Cassel. In 13 games, Branden Albert has surrendered nine sacks and has been whistled for 10 penalties. Pioli didn't draft Albert, and the Chiefs organization doesn't have that much money invested into him (about $3 million over the next four years).

Pioli can afford to draft a franchise left tackle and move Albert around in an effort to give Matt Cassel more time in the pocket. He needs to protect his investment - no matter how bad it may be."

Coogs 12-31-2009 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beer bacon (Post 6393952)
In Walter's draft scenario, what would it take for us to move up from the top of the 2nd to #29 so we could grab Cody?

Why would we trade up to get Cody? Just grab him at #3. :D

beer bacon 12-31-2009 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 6393958)
Why would we trade up to get Cody? Just grab him at #3. :D

If we could get Berry and Cody out of this draft, then I would have a very good weekend :)

Mr. Arrowhead 12-31-2009 10:10 AM

no way we go Left Tackle IMO, but every mock i see has us with one, Mcshay mock has us with some LT from Rutgers. We need playmakers on both sides of the ball, and Berry is almost the only way to go IMO

Coogs 12-31-2009 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beer bacon (Post 6393959)
If we could get Berry and Cody out of this draft, then I would have a very good weekend :)

That would be a good combo. Sad thing is, we could put together a lot of combos that would make a lot of sense.

Coogs 12-31-2009 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead (Post 6393972)
no way we go Left Tackle IMO, but every mock i see has us with one, Mcshay mock has us with some LT from Rutgers. We need playmakers on both sides of the ball, and Berry is almost the only way to go IMO

For my money, there are 4 players (5 if Locker changes his mind) I would be happy with at #3... which is where I think we will wind up. Don't see a win happening Sunday, but I suppose we could. Anyway, if we wind up with one of these 4... Suh or Berry on the defensive side, Clausen or Spiller on the offensive side I'm happy. You all know my favorite at this time, but anyone of the others would be a heck of a good pick.

El Jefe 12-31-2009 10:20 AM

If we don't get Berry I am going to be PO'd. I'd rather have JC or Suh over Okung though.

Sam Hall 12-31-2009 10:20 AM

I'm done with Walter. That's ridiculous.

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-31-2009 10:28 AM

Walter's not saying that's who he'd pick, it's who he thinks Pioli will pick.

With that said, I don't think we draft OL, I don't think this regime values OL. If they did, we'd have a whole new interior line from the draft this year.

It's probably going to be another two down player like Cody, and I'll have that crazed look of Cantrell's dad in the video for "Rooster" after his buddy stepped on a mine.

LaChapelle 12-31-2009 10:28 AM

Maybe someone will fall to us
Like Derrick Johnson and Glenn Dorsey

Mile High Mania 12-31-2009 10:48 AM

I think I could be happy with this trio... I don't know a lot about Canfield, from what I've read and heard though, he looks like a nice player to target.

McClain and Jones could be two very nice additions... I would be very happy with the front 7 getting serious focus.

1 - Ronlando McClain, ILB 'Bama (dude is 6'4 and 258 lbs)
2 - Arthur Jones, DE/DT Syracuse (he's about 6'3 and 295 lbs)
3 - Sean Canfield, QB Oregon State (6'4 and 214 lbs)

Bane 12-31-2009 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaChapelle (Post 6394011)
Maybe someone will fall to us
Like Derrick Johnson and Glenn Dorsey

Its funny how the "best player" keeps falling to us and we keep taking them.ROFL
Oh wait,we passed on Curry last year,so never mind.ROFL

Bowser 12-31-2009 11:08 AM

Does it just make too much sense to draft

1) Eric Berry
2a) Brandon Spikes
2b) Danario Alexander


Berry and Spikes would start, Alexander would be #3 behind Chambers and Bowe, and all three poisitons need serious upgrading (even thought you could throw a dart a hit a position of need with this team).

Bane 12-31-2009 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 6394097)
Does it just make too much sense to draft

1) Eric Berry
2a) Brandon Spikes
2b) Danario Alexander


Berry and Spikes would start, Alexander would be #3 behind Chambers and Bowe, and all three poisitons need serious upgrading (even thought you could throw a dart a hit a position of need with this team).

Yes,cause that might actually make us a better team.ROFL

KC kid 12-31-2009 11:21 AM

I really do not want to draft a running back in the first round. There is a lot of value on late round running backs. Plus, their shelf life is nothing.

chiefzilla1501 12-31-2009 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6393956)
Walters always kills Pioli on the Cassel acquisition:

"When the Chiefs selected Tyson Jackson over Aaron Curry in the 2009 NFL Draft, it showed me that Scott Pioli favors positional value over talent. If he follows this principle again, he'll take Russell Okung over Eric Berry if both options are available to him.

Left tackle is a huge need because Pioli must protect his $63 million (million with a line through it--didn't show up with the copy/cut/paste) investment in Matt Cassel. In 13 games, Branden Albert has surrendered nine sacks and has been whistled for 10 penalties. Pioli didn't draft Albert, and the Chiefs organization doesn't have that much money invested into him (about $3 million over the next four years).

Pioli can afford to draft a franchise left tackle and move Albert around in an effort to give Matt Cassel more time in the pocket. He needs to protect his investment - no matter how bad it may be."

You don't spend a top 5 pick to upgrade at Guard (which is what they're essentially doing).

And you can argue against the Jackson pick all you want, but Curry would have been a dumber pick.

That is all.

Ralphy Boy 12-31-2009 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MOhillbilly (Post 6393934)
Thats not very nice.

Nobody likes a baby puncher.

Thats funny right there, I don't care who you are. It makes him so mad he wants to punch a baby. Most people never get made enough to punch a baby.

Delano 12-31-2009 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bane_58 (Post 6394099)
Yes,cause that might actually make us a better team.ROFL

I don't think Spikes is that much of an upgrade.

He'll get pushed around on Sundays.

chiefzilla1501 12-31-2009 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delano (Post 6394981)
I don't think Spikes is that much of an upgrade.

He'll get pushed around on Sundays.

Get a real NT and if Dorsey and Jackson consistently do their jobs, our ILBs won't be touched.

Bill Lundberg 12-31-2009 06:21 PM

If you googled 2010 NFL Mock Draft yesterday - the first 7 mocks have us taking Okung... Yuck, Yuck, Yuck.

Mecca 12-31-2009 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Lundberg (Post 6395048)
If you googled 2010 NFL Mock Draft yesterday - the first 7 mocks have us taking Okung... Yuck, Yuck, Yuck.

People know this fan base well, if the Chiefs took an OT with their first pick every year about 70% of the fan base would be thrilled.

Bill Lundberg 12-31-2009 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6395053)
People know this fan base well, if the Chiefs took an OT with their first pick every year about 70% of the fan base would be thrilled.

You're probably right and to me that's the problem with Mock drafts. A large majority of them try to make picks the fans would like as opposed to thinking logically.

Mecca 12-31-2009 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Lundberg (Post 6395058)
You're probably right and to me that's the problem with Mock drafts. A large majority of them try to make picks the fans would like as opposed to thinking logically.

Oh trust me, the guy who does the Walter site thinks Pioli is a complete dipshit and has been making fun of him for about 8 months now.

He's always going to give the Chiefs bad picks because he thinks Pioli sucks.

dallaschiefsfan 12-31-2009 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6393956)
Walters always kills Pioli on the Cassel acquisition:

"When the Chiefs selected Tyson Jackson over Aaron Curry in the 2009 NFL Draft, it showed me that Scott Pioli favors positional value over talent. If he follows this principle again, he'll take Russell Okung over Eric Berry if both options are available to him."

This argument is dumb if this is all he's got. Safety is just as much a position of need as the o-line. Plus it's an important position in the 34. Berry would fill a need AND be at least one of the the two best players available at the 3 pick.

Mecca 12-31-2009 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan (Post 6395486)
This argument is dumb if this is all he's got. Safety is just as much a position of need as the o-line. Plus it's an important position in the 34. Berry would fill a need AND be at least one of the the two best players available at the 3 pick.

Uh his argument is basically, Scott Pioli is not going to admit he ****ed up on Cassel so he'll load that side to try to prove it wasn't a mistake.

DeezNutz 12-31-2009 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan (Post 6395486)
Safety is just as much a position of need as the o-line. Plus it's an important position in the 34. Berry would fill a need AND be at least one of the the two best players available at the 3 pick.

Preaching to the choir here.

dallaschiefsfan 12-31-2009 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6395504)
Uh his argument is basically, Scott Pioli is not going to admit he ****ed up on Cassel so he'll load that side to try to prove it wasn't a mistake.

First of all, I'm responding to how he begins his rationalization. His first thoguht is flawed. Second, the continuation of his thought makes no sense. How does a rookie [maybe] left tackle accomplish this? If Pioli is going to load the line to cover his investment, he'll overpay in free agency...if that's even possible this year.

DeezNutz 12-31-2009 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan (Post 6395513)
First of all, I'm responding to how he begins his rationalization. His first thoguht is flawed. Second, the continuation of his thought makes no sense. How does a rookie [maybe] left tackle accomplish this? If Pioli is going to load the line to cover his investment, he'll overpay in free agency...if that's even possible this year.

The flawed logic, as you see it, though, is an attempt to follow the thought process of Pioli.

The dudes at Walters basically think Pioli is dumb as ****.

Mecca 12-31-2009 10:17 PM

Yea you have to understand the guy at Walter makes fun of Pioli all the time, they basically think he's a complete reerun.

tk13 12-31-2009 10:32 PM

A big guy for Oklahoma just destroyed the backboard in the Gonzaga game. There's our new nose tackle. You guys are watching the wrong sport, that's your problem. :D


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