So....Berry and Suh showed nothing.
 

Who improved their draft position in the Bowl games?

You can't really judge a game changing safety on the way he plays in the biggest game of the year.

Suh showed nothing? Are you ****ing retarted?

ROFL
Stop you're killing me!!!!


Suh looked pretty damn good to me.If he doesn't smash your QB or ball handler,the other defenders that are unblocked because you double him kill ya.

ROFL

Not a factor in the Bowl Game. Played his worst game. Total of 2 tackles. The Texas game showed me everything about Suh.

FAIL

I watched only bits and pieces of the TN game last night. Someone want to breakdown Berry's "poor" performance. Obviously the D gave up a shit ton of points to Tech, but...

Berry has been very lackluster to me with 3 turnovers this season he is not the game changer this team needs. I would be very surprised if he is drafted in the top 20. Suh on the other hand IS a legit top 3 pick , no doubt

I kinda took it as 1 not so good game for Berry.Missed some tackles,didn't cure cancer etc.......

i stupidest SOB i ever met in my life had red hair & a surf board under his arm.
Shut the **** up & go drowned in the surf

Either this is a poor attempt at sarcasm or you had better plan on being very, very surprised come draft day.

In the bowl game, Dan Williams was the one I was watching as much as Berry and he did little to impress. VT was just gashing Tenn right up the middle all night long.

:cuss:

He wasn't very impressive all year. Don't know what people see in him. Afraid of contact pretty fast. Best thing about him is his control of the huddle and secondary, seemed very mature and composed. But as far as him being top 3-5 pick, I have my doubts. See you at the combine mr. Berry hopefully he shows more there

Berry is just awful. We can base his entire college career on one game. The hell with the other 3 years of game tape there is on him making countless plays. The people of Chiefsplanet have watched him in one bowl game and no way is he even worth the 30th pick.

that may be. but don't be surprised if he falls in the draft, there is a lot of talent in this draft class

Damn straight! We all saw Clady miss a block once in college against Hawaii. Knew right away he was going to be worthless.

I tuned in to see some #14 action
all I saw was him with his hands on his hips staring into a pile of bodies
Much like a Chiefs game on tv, there is much we don't see, I think

You know, red surfer may or may not have a clue here, but I'm fairly certain, based on this post, which is as poorly constructed as just about as poorly as one can find, that neither red surfer, or the red headed surfer you allude to here, could possbly be as stupid as you appear to be.

heh....this.

Honestly, for better or worse, the draft order wont begin to come into focus until after the combine.

One bowl game makes little difference at this point.

So who goes higher now, Berry or Mays?

Like I said I just took it as one bad game.:shrug:

Berry easy

he will still go in the top half of the 1st round just on name alone.


i wouldn't be surprised at all to see Mays drop to the 2nd round.

I don't think its possible for Mays to fall that far after the combine unless he gets hurt before then.

So Okung is the consensus call now?

:clap::doh!:

I didn't see the game. Nor have I watched Tennessee a lot. Most of what I get about Berry is the stuff on this board. I am willing to accept that he is a very good safety. And now this thread! All in all there's one thing about him that worries me: Size.

i guess if he looks great at the combine he might go up

but he doesn't look very fast on the field so i don't know how fast he's gonna be in shorts.

i don't want him in the 1st and probably not in the 2nd.

I didn't.

he's not small, just a little short.

5'11" isn't an issue imo ... 200+lbs is much more important for me.

2nd will do it for me. If he falls that far.

I didn't either. I should have turned on the sarcasm sign.

You don't want him in the second (which he won't see)?

Your Mecca hatred is clouding your evaluation of talent.

Does Berry look like more on an NFL CB than a Safety to anyone?

Don't have red hair. Mostly gray. Don't use a surfboard. I bodysurf in shark infested waters. So you can give me one on the stupid part. I'll be out there today, giving my best effort on the drowning part. If you can swim, you can join me.

some have said that already. wasnt dale carter a safety for tenn also??
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Not really,he looks like a FS to me.:shrug:

Yes. I feel he can be a better CB than safety. As an NFL safety he'd have to put on a few pounds. JMO.

YES.

no ... it's really not.

i question whether he has the instincts to be a safety at the NFL level. I think he may end up being Roy Williams. A LB/Safety tweener who struggles if he ever has to get too far away from the LOS.

Mays might be better off converting to linebacker like Brian Urlacher and Thomas Davis.

yep ... he's listed as a strong safety in college but he doesn't really play it.

he's in coverage etc way too much to be a strong safety. I think Tennessee doesn't really play with a strong safety.

Berry will be a free safety in the NFL imo.

Must be. He swims with man eating sharks

Just stating my very limited knowledge.He seems to drop into coverage most of the time,which leads me to believe he'd me more comfortable at FS.JMO.

He's the same size as Ed Reed.

Stupid. Troy Polamalu and Ed Reed are the SAME SIZE as Berry. Actually, I think Polamalu is an inch shorter than Berry. All 3 are under 210 lbs.

Thats what I was thinking.:banghead:

Berry declared.

Our starting safeties are Mike Brown and John McGraw. At least with Albert, we have a young option who could turn into a great player.

If Berry isn't the pick if he's available I'll be ****ing shocked.

His body fits FS more also.


Edit: just read the rest of the posts, I know nothing.

FYP

Most excellent. Someone must have shown him where he is slated to go in the draft, then someone else must have shown him what the top 5 picks from last year received in guarantees, and then someone else must have shown him a picture of Sam Bradford.

And someone likely was whispering in his ear that when the next CBA is signed, there is going to be a rookie cap slotting system.

Cool, thanks for posting. I hope someday, they have fixed the defense. Maybe he would be a missing piece.

Yeah, good point. Win the powerball while you still can, kid.

Isn't Reed really an exception to the norm though?

Dez Bryant come on down!

Forgive me if this has already been said, I just skimmed the thread instead of reading everything...

From what I saw last night, Va Tech was afraid to throw to Berry's side of the field very often, so I didn't get to see much of him in coverage (like you can tell much of that on TV, anyway). He made a really nice tackle in the backfield on a screen where he read the play perfectly. Then later in the game he completely whiffed on a tackle in the open field and on a reverse was the last guy between the carrier and the end zone and Berry didn't even seem to know where the ball was.

Definitely not his best game, but I'm still firmly on his bandwagon. I think Tennessee relied a little too much on him to help near the LOS last night because their D-line didn't get any penetration/pressure. He's definitely best used in coverage and although it would have been nice to see him knock some bitches out and help a lot against the run, I'm not too worried about him.

No. This is typical size for a safety. Deron Cherry was the same size, but maybe a tad thinner but not much. Ronnie Lott was 6' and 200+. Taylor Mays is bigger than most safeties.

whatever it is, we gotta pick someone. We are in need of players and forget a trade down, its not happening.

So beating the double team every play showed nothing? Moron.

But folks quit acting like Berry is the only safety in the ****ing draft. For ****s sake what round was Byrd drafted this year? He made the pro bowl.

Their body of work speaks much louder than those two 1-game performances.

Indeed. and I would say holding a team to 37 total yards before the last drive you must be doing something right.

Exactly.

I didn't see either game, but even if they both played like shit, you'd be foolish to downgrade them over one game, when they both have a tremendous body of work.

Neither player impressed me a lot in those bowl games,I was already impressed by both players long ago.

I think Berry playing CB is more likely than Mays playing LB... especially since Mays could play CB just as easy as he could LB(because of his speed.. but hes too tall to play CB.)

I wonder about some people.

I can already see the dumb**** posts about whoever we select and how he plays next year starting to develop.

Like do they even watch the player at all during the game?

What Suh did opened up the whole defense.

Berry will be fine.

He had an off game and seemed to be targeted a bit more than I expected, but I can see him play timidly (most likely to not face an injury before the draft).

If you think play-making safeties always play well, go watch the superbowl and see Troy Polamalu miss many tackles and get beat in coverage a few times (most notably on the long pass to Fitz where he went untouched down the middle which at the time was FTW)

Berry or Suh would greatly imrove our defense.

Having either one added would make it seem like we just added two defenders.

Mays as a corner is laughable.

You have to more than fast to play corner.

Sorry

wha?

it's not just body type, it's ball skills. I don't think Mays even has the ball skills to play free safety in the NFL and you are talking about him play cornerback?

wowser ... we have two completely different ideas of what Mays is

Sanchez. He's going to lead the Jets to the playoffs.
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Nebraska won 33-0. Time for you to hope on the bangwagon for next year.

This . Exactly this

There is a whole lot of dumb in this thread.

Taylor Mays and Roy Williams are nothing alike, stop looking at his weight and thinking he's a big fat slow guy like Roy Williams.

Kiffen played him in the box all year.

Mays has no ball skills.

kiffen did not play Berry in the box all year

This is the best sentence I have ever read.