Is it starting to become pathetic how Patriots-like we're trying to be?
 

I mean, do other teams and analysts think, "They are so smart for going after Weis, Cassel, and (possibly) Crennel, to try and bring that winning attitude to KC!" Or are they thinking, "How pathetic, they can't even make their own decisions on coaching and are just trying to copy New England as much as possible!"

Its pretty obvious we're ripping off the Patriots' philosophy. We're not copying it, we're literally trying to take the exact personnel and players they had and win with them here. Is this a smart, tactful thing? Or a sad and pathetic thing?

FTR I don't see a problem with it. If we start winning, they can change Cassel's name to Tom Brady and put Haley in a huge hoodie for all I care.

We're hiring people who have had success in the NFL before.

Who would you propose we hire instead that is out there looking for work..?

Every post of yours I have read is pathetic.

There are worse franchises to emulate

I think its smart. Nothing wrong with hiring people who have a great wealth of knowledge and experience and success to go along with that.

By my count this is the third time the Chiefs have tried to ape a more successful franchise.

All I ask is, "What would another team do in the same situation?"

- Pioli? Hell yes they would.
- Weis? Well, with a rook head coach, some experience would be nice. Same system, too.
- Crennel? Again, who else would we get? Clancy sucks, and Romeo runs the 3-4.

Also, the guys have multiple rings and know how to get it done.

I get the whole patriots rip off thing, but honestly, its the right move, given the situations.

That's right, stay positive! :D

There's a lot of love in this room...

It's much cooler than the Denver Browncos, I think.

Says the guy that wouldn't pay Josh Cribbs because he's worried about our "limited funds" going into an uncapped season.

ROFL

yeah it does. I'd rather have a Raiders like team where nobody is on the same page.

MOSS in 2011







PASS!!!!

They probably thought the Patriots were pathetic when the signed all the former Browns/Jets back in the early 2000's. Or do they think that was smart?

:doh!:

FRAG THE n00b

you mean as positive as your OP?

Yes, in a new regime, it always pathetic to surround yourself with people who have superbowl rings. Whether or not, people will call this the patsification. Oh well, I would rather the Chiefs surround themselves with proven winners than the slapdick coaching staff they put together last year.

It's an improvement over last year......

God forbid....don't let us become like the Patriots and all the championships. Let's pick a better team to model after....maybe the Browns? Raiders?

Every thread ends in a lovesome orgy.

Hope you brought lubricant.

Don't let the KU fans get you down
Mr Brown

Aping the Patriots would be fine if we could acquire the one and only piece that made it all work.

we could do worse...

These are nice moves but like I've said I've seen this dance before. If this organization wants to be good again it's simply going to have to do a better job drafting.

My post is asking whether or not people think it is positive or negative. I see it as a great thing! It makes me really happy to see the Chiefs bringing in someone that I wholeheartedly trust will make things better. That hasn't happened very often. I didn't even do that with Vermeil. I did with Pioli, and now I am with Weiss.

I'm super positive. I just hope they can keep going. They could pick a million more ex-pats (lol), just as long as it brings in great coaches.

But I KNOW some people around here will disagree, which is why I asked.

Who gives a **** what "analysts" think?

Charlie Weis is a damn good offensive coordinator. Period. He'll bring so much to the Chiefs offensively that I would not be shocked to see us in the Top Ten next year.

Offense is all about play design. Cassel has limitations (as does every QB) but I fully expect Weis to design plays that will limit his deficiencies while creating plays that make him far more efficient.

Haley had some good ideas but he was stretched way too thin. He did a lot of stupid shit because there was no one around with a pedigree he respected to keep him in check. I guarantee that all those stupid, inappropriate trick plays and shit like trying a fake punt on your own 28 while only down one score has come to an end.

I'm shocked that anyone, ANYONE, can find a negative in his hiring.

Guess I'm weird...

I care more about the success these coaches have had in their NFL careers that I do who their previous employers were. Name for me, if you would, a better Offensive Coordinator candidate going into the 2010 NFL regular season. Don't worry...I'll wait.

Funny how no one seems to recognize this when it's so ****ing obvious.

Jason Whitlock hasn't posted his article yet.

Considering hardly anyone has been fired, Mic, that's pretty hard to say.

And that's coming from someone who's generally happy with the Weis hire.

Damn you're a pathetically stupid MF'er. Find a grease fire to throw yourself into.

Jesus Christ, lay off the juice. He's not trying to stir shit, he's literally asking a ****ing question.

I'm very happy with the Weis hire.

But what you're talking about is completely different and IMO, comes from the lack of guidance and mandates from ownership.

With that said, I can't imagine how the Chiefs wouldn't have a potent offense with Weis in control.

If we get Romey we will have 3 of 5 that made their SB teams work. Bill and Brady would be the best but they have not won anything since Romey and Chuck left them. This is a good move.

You have to consider a couple things...
1. No Offensive Coordinator is going to make a lateral move. We'd have to be surveying OC's who are on the outs with their current franchises or looking at top flight position coaches in line for bigger jobs next season.

2. Even when considering all of the above, I'm not sure there's a better candidate available to this team.

All things considered... There's not a better candidate out there.
You can call this chasing after Patriot success all you want, but in the end if he's the best man for the job. Who cares?

Honestly... Who's a better man for the job?

He's not really asking a question you dumbass, he is stirring shit with his "question". Damn you're a ****ing reerun.

What an emotional, optimistic observation.

I think this is the avenue with the most potential for the most success, but would likely be a disaster with a n00b HC.

The hire would just have to be a tremendous one.

I can't tell you who would be better because no one else has been fired. No one else is available at the moment.

And again, I'm happy with the hire.

A mind-reader, and a backup LB.

Damn, you're overflowing with talent.

Rams, Patriots.... who's the third franchise?

49ers

49ers

Kyle Shanahan just made a lateral move

Well posted.

Plus, one could say that the decision to hire Marty meant the Eggos were emulating us. Except for the embarrassing talent and pitiful execution, that is.

FAX

Just curious when did the Chiefs try to emulate the 49ers?

[QUOTE=DaneMcCloud;6417534]Who gives a **** what "analysts" think?

Charlie Weis is a damn good offensive coordinator. Period. He'll bring so much to the Chiefs offensively that I would not be shocked to see us in the Top Ten next year.

Offense is all about play design. Cassel has limitations (as does every QB) but I fully expect Weis to design plays that will limit his deficiencies while creating plays that make him far more efficient.

Haley had some good ideas but he was stretched way too thin. He did a lot of stupid shit because there was no one around with a pedigree he respected to keep him in check. I guarantee that all those stupid, inappropriate trick plays and shit like trying a fake punt on your own 28 while only down one score has come to an end.


Well Put! People here bitched that Haley fired Gan, then people bitched that Haley was calling the shots. Everyone agreed that an improvement needed to be made. Now people bitch because the improvement came from 'friendlies". Never mind he is a good coach, just damn the fact that the Chiefs know him.....

If I was taking on a project of huge magnitude, I would surround myself with people I knew that was capable of helping me out......

I think the thing is trying to recapture lightining in a bottle more than likely isn't going to work especially when the main pieces of the lighting bolt aren't zapping.

1993 when we added Montana and moved to the WCO.

I was asking a question and not just stirring shit. I'm not a troll, I've been around enough MBs to know how they work. But you know better than me what I'm thinking. :)

If I was going to troll, I would have picked something other than a silly off question like what people will think of the organization. I would have said something like, "Why does Todd Haley suck" or, "Why do people think that (insert draft candidate here) is a good pick when he sucks?"

Okay, you got me. But don't let anyone else know, or my street cred will be ruined. You hear me!?!

I'm considering quite a few coaches who aren't even available yet (and may not be) and I'm STILL not sure I can think of a BETTER candidate.

There are definitely some good ones I can name (Shanahan, Jackson, Chudzinski)...
BETTER? I'm not certain.

I now I'm kinda sick of trying to be like the Detroit Lions. At least they are trying to copy a team that won/wins.

IIRC, Montanna, Bono, GrBack? West coast offense, though it was never a pure west coast offense. I could be wrong though....

:rolleyes:

This doesn't count!!! :)

Matt Millen can kiss my ass, and I don't even cheer for the Lions.


Instead of New England we need to emulate the 69 Chiefs. All we need is a legendary QB, Two of the greatest LBs ever, one monster of a DT, an amazing secondary, and Jan Stenarud

Actually I wouldn't mind copying what Detroit has right now. They have the best young QB and a great football mind as a coach.

You'd rather be 2-14?

What? I just got in from yelling TigerPig optimistically recognizes love from my balcony.

Hey stranger!

Stafford has proven to be one tough SOB.

Last time I checked the patriots haven't won a super bowl since weis left

Considering they are more than likley getting Suh from Nebraska to add to Stafford and Calvin Johnson. Yeah I would. If they were smart they would have took Oher last year and Detroit would be on its way even more.

What up girl?

Yeah to coach for the guy who's balls he used to live in.
:rolleyes:

Detroit has had the top draft picks since Barry Sanders retired and no matter who's coach, they stay the same. I wonder how many top draft picks are praying at Detroit walks to the podium, "Please Lord, don't let them pick me."

As bad as things look here, I think we are headed in the right direction and I would be very surprised if Detroit were a contender before we are.

They have the core pieces necessary to win a playoff game before we do, sadly enough.

I don't because Detroit has something we don't have. They have a legit franchise QB, Stafford will lead them to a Super Bowl win pretty soon.

No they don't

Charlie Weis gets the most out of players. In 1994 he was New Englands TE coach and Ben Coates had his best season. In 1995 he was RB coach and Curtis Martin had a 1,400 yard rookie season. In 1996 he was WR coach and Terry Glenn had his best season. He brought order to the Patriot offense and got the most out of mediocre talent. He will get the most out Cassel, Bowe,Chambers, and Charles.
This is a great thing for KC.
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Yes they do

I think Stafford will lead the team he signs with when his contract is up in Detroit.

What a silly thing to say.

no they don't

Hey, I wasn't the one who made the absolute statement, was I?

yes they do

In how many SBs did Archie Manning play? Dan Fouts?

Stafford and Schwartz will lead them to a playoff win before Cassel and Haley do the Chiefs.

Great you win! You found the NFL exception.

Might've even been something to be proud of if the two coaches didn't share the same last name.
It doesn't happen very often. Kinda like you having something insightful to say about football.

No they won't. They have their kryptonite, his name is Gunther

They're probably hoping for a four-year deal instead of a seven... :-)

In all fairness, though. Matt Millen did fuck them over royally the last 8-9 years. They should have been making progress during that time and they didn't. I feel bad for Detroit fans, and I really hope to see the day they can win against GB both times in a season, or even win a playoff game.

Franchise QB? Check.

Elite WR? Check.

Solid RB? Check.

Solid LB's? Check.

Damn good safety? Check.


They are a LT and Cliff Avril meeting his potential away from having every core position covered.

We have one of those things, maybe. (Charles)