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Football Outsiders Ranks Matt Cassel 44th of 46 QBs (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=221370)

'Hamas' Jenkins

01-08-2010 01:02 PM

Football Outsiders Ranks Matt Cassel 44th of 46 QBs

Giving him a ranking of 463 yards below replacement level.

QBs who finished behind Cassel: Stafford and Russell.

QBs who finished ahead of Cassel: Everyone else in the NFL who threw more than 100 passes.

On a positive note, he was 38/46 on a per play basis, narrowly edging out Josh Freeman.

On another positive note, Brodie Croyle would have finished 25 had he accumulated enough attempts.

Top 5 QBs (In order)

1. Brady
2. Manning
3. Rivers
4. Brees
5. Favre

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb

MMXcalibur

01-08-2010 01:03 PM

My grandpa ranked Matt Cassel oatmeal out of adult diapers.

The Franchise

01-08-2010 01:04 PM

Ouch.

teedubya

01-08-2010 01:04 PM

awesome! Go Cassel Go!

'Hamas' Jenkins

01-08-2010 01:04 PM

Revised as of 1/4/2009

Quarterbacks are ranked according to DYAR, or Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement. This gives the value of the quarterback's performance compared to replacement level, adjusted for situation and opponent and then translated into yardage. DYAR (and its cousin, YAR, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.
The other statistic given is DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. This number represents value, per play, over an average quarterback in the same game situations. The more positive the DVOA rating, the better the player's performance. Negative DVOA represents below-average offense. DVOA (and its cousin, VOA, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.
The simple version: DYAR means a quarterback with more total value. DVOA means a quarterback with more value per play.

'Hamas' Jenkins

01-08-2010 01:06 PM

PASSING: Minimum 100 passes, 46 players ranked

<table class="stats" border="2" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr> <td align="center">Player</td> <td align="center">Team</td> <td align="center">DYAR</td> <td align="center">Rk</td> <td align="center">YAR</td> <td align="center">Rk</td> <td align="center">DVOA</td> <td align="center">Rk</td> <td align="center">VOA</td> <td align="center">Passes</td> <td align="center">Yards</td> <td align="center">EYds</td> <td align="center">TD</td> <td align="center">FK</td> <td align="center">FL</td> <td align="center">INT</td> <td align="center">C%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>T.Brady</td> <td>NE</td> <td align="right">2,170</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">1,799</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">44.1%</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">34.7%</td> <td align="right">587</td> <td align="right">4,447</td> <td align="right">6,113</td> <td align="right">28</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">13</td> <td align="right">65.7%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>P.Manning</td> <td>IND</td> <td align="right">1,932</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">2,017</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">38.1%</td> <td align="right">5</td> <td align="right">40.3%</td> <td align="right">591</td> <td align="right">4,640</td> <td align="right">5,778</td> <td align="right">33</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">16</td> <td align="right">68.8%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>P.Rivers</td> <td>SD</td> <td align="right">1,919</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">1,855</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">46.1%</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">44.2%</td> <td align="right">519</td> <td align="right">4,254</td> <td align="right">5,310</td> <td align="right">28</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">9</td> <td align="right">65.5%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>D.Brees</td> <td>NO</td> <td align="right">1,846</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">1,884</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">41.0%</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">42.1%</td> <td align="right">538</td> <td align="right">4,323</td> <td align="right">5,377</td> <td align="right">34</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">11</td> <td align="right">70.9%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>B.Favre</td> <td>MIN</td> <td align="right">1,803</td> <td align="right">5</td> <td align="right">1,862</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">39.0%</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">40.7%</td> <td align="right">569</td> <td align="right">4,095</td> <td align="right">5,341</td> <td align="right">33</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">7</td> <td align="right">68.9%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>M.Schaub</td> <td>HOU</td> <td align="right">1,789</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">1,853</td> <td align="right">5</td> <td align="right">33.5%</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">35.1%</td> <td align="right">607</td> <td align="right">4,666</td> <td align="right">5,661</td> <td align="right">29</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">15</td> <td align="right">68.5%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>T.Romo</td> <td>DAL</td> <td align="right">1,596</td> <td align="right">7</td> <td align="right">1,497</td> <td align="right">8</td> <td align="right">32.5%</td> <td align="right">7</td> <td align="right">29.8%</td> <td align="right">591</td> <td align="right">4,328</td> <td align="right">5,115</td> <td align="right">26</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">9</td> <td align="right">63.6%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>B.Roethlisberger</td> <td>PIT</td> <td align="right">1,392</td> <td align="right">8</td> <td align="right">1,459</td> <td align="right">9</td> <td align="right">27.9%</td> <td align="right">8</td> <td align="right">29.7%</td> <td align="right">563</td> <td align="right">4,103</td> <td align="right">4,768</td> <td align="right">26</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">11</td> <td align="right">66.7%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>A.Rodgers</td> <td>GB</td> <td align="right">1,293</td> <td align="right">9</td> <td align="right">1,512</td> <td align="right">7</td> <td align="right">22.7%</td> <td align="right">9</td> <td align="right">28.4%</td> <td align="right">600</td> <td align="right">4,262</td> <td align="right">4,847</td> <td align="right">30</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">7</td> <td align="right">65.3%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>E.Manning</td> <td>NYG</td> <td align="right">1,108</td> <td align="right">10</td> <td align="right">977</td> <td align="right">11</td> <td align="right">21.2%</td> <td align="right">11</td> <td align="right">17.4%</td> <td align="right">541</td> <td align="right">3,867</td> <td align="right">4,256</td> <td align="right">27</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">13</td> <td align="right">62.5%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>K.Warner</td> <td>ARI</td> <td align="right">1,032</td> <td align="right">11</td> <td align="right">1,237</td> <td align="right">10</td> <td align="right">18.1%</td> <td align="right">13</td> <td align="right">23.9%</td> <td align="right">537</td> <td align="right">3,696</td> <td align="right">4,250</td> <td align="right">27</td> <td align="right">5</td> <td align="right">5</td> <td align="right">12</td> <td align="right">67.2%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>K.Orton</td> <td>DEN</td> <td align="right">885</td> <td align="right">12</td> <td align="right">916</td> <td align="right">12</td> <td align="right">13.2%</td> <td align="right">17</td> <td align="right">14.1%</td> <td align="right">577</td> <td align="right">3,771</td> <td align="right">4,122</td> <td align="right">21</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">11</td> <td align="right">62.3%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>M.Ryan</td> <td>ATL</td> <td align="right">830</td> <td align="right">13</td> <td align="right">582</td> <td align="right">16</td> <td align="right">16.7%</td> <td align="right">15</td> <td align="right">8.4%</td> <td align="right">470</td> <td align="right">2,844</td> <td align="right">3,520</td> <td align="right">22</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">13</td> <td align="right">59.1%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>J.Flacco</td> <td>BAL</td> <td align="right">829</td> <td align="right">14</td> <td align="right">893</td> <td align="right">13</td> <td align="right">13.2%</td> <td align="right">18</td> <td align="right">15.1%</td> <td align="right">541</td> <td align="right">3,528</td> <td align="right">3,876</td> <td align="right">21</td> <td align="right">5</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">11</td> <td align="right">63.5%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>C.Palmer</td> <td>CIN</td> <td align="right">708</td> <td align="right">15</td> <td align="right">749</td> <td align="right">14</td> <td align="right">12.0%</td> <td align="right">19</td> <td align="right">13.3%</td> <td align="right">496</td> <td align="right">2,957</td> <td align="right">3,428</td> <td align="right">21</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">11</td> <td align="right">61.2%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>D.McNabb</td> <td>PHI</td> <td align="right">630</td> <td align="right">16</td> <td align="right">649</td> <td align="right">15</td> <td align="right">9.2%</td> <td align="right">20</td> <td align="right">9.8%</td> <td align="right">485</td> <td align="right">3,372</td> <td align="right">3,334</td> <td align="right">22</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">9</td> <td align="right">60.5%</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center">Player</td> <td align="center">Team</td> <td align="center">DYAR</td> <td align="center">Rk</td> <td align="center">YAR</td> <td align="center">Rk</td> <td align="center">DVOA</td> <td align="center">Rk</td> <td align="center">VOA</td> <td align="center">Passes</td> <td align="center">Yards</td> <td align="center">EYds</td> <td align="center">TD</td> <td align="center">FK</td> <td align="center">FL</td> <td align="center">INT</td> <td align="center">C%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>C.Henne</td> <td>MIA</td> <td align="right">584</td> <td align="right">17</td> <td align="right">424</td> <td align="right">18</td> <td align="right">7.8%</td> <td align="right">21</td> <td align="right">2.6%</td> <td align="right">479</td> <td align="right">2,755</td> <td align="right">3,278</td> <td align="right">12</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">13</td> <td align="right">61.2%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>V.Young</td> <td>TEN</td> <td align="right">490</td> <td align="right">18</td> <td align="right">461</td> <td align="right">17</td> <td align="right">17.6%</td> <td align="right">14</td> <td align="right">15.9%</td> <td align="right">271</td> <td align="right">1,828</td> <td align="right">2,032</td> <td align="right">10</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">7</td> <td align="right">59.1%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>D.Garrard</td> <td>JAC</td> <td align="right">368</td> <td align="right">19</td> <td align="right">403</td> <td align="right">19</td> <td align="right">-0.8%</td> <td align="right">23</td> <td align="right">0.2%</td> <td align="right">565</td> <td align="right">3,441</td> <td align="right">3,364</td> <td align="right">15</td> <td align="right">5</td> <td align="right">7</td> <td align="right">10</td> <td align="right">61.4%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>J.Campbell</td> <td>WAS</td> <td align="right">337</td> <td align="right">20</td> <td align="right">380</td> <td align="right">20</td> <td align="right">-1.7%</td> <td align="right">24</td> <td align="right">-0.5%</td> <td align="right">555</td> <td align="right">3,363</td> <td align="right">3,340</td> <td align="right">20</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">14</td> <td align="right">65.1%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>M.Moore</td> <td>CAR</td> <td align="right">303</td> <td align="right">21</td> <td align="right">320</td> <td align="right">21</td> <td align="right">21.5%</td> <td align="right">10</td> <td align="right">23.3%</td> <td align="right">149</td> <td align="right">995</td> <td align="right">1,151</td> <td align="right">8</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">61.6%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>C.Redman</td> <td>ATL</td> <td align="right">235</td> <td align="right">22</td> <td align="right">164</td> <td align="right">22</td> <td align="right">19.0%</td> <td align="right">12</td> <td align="right">9.9%</td> <td align="right">127</td> <td align="right">758</td> <td align="right">949</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">59.0%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>K.Kolb</td> <td>PHI</td> <td align="right">179</td> <td align="right">23</td> <td align="right">160</td> <td align="right">23</td> <td align="right">15.9%</td> <td align="right">16</td> <td align="right">13.1%</td> <td align="right">100</td> <td align="right">711</td> <td align="right">777</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">64.6%</td></tr></tbody></table>

DeezNutz

01-08-2010 01:06 PM

He graded out perfectly:

Drops.
O-line.
Herm.
Coaching.
Wind.
System.
Obama.

'Hamas' Jenkins

01-08-2010 01:06 PM

<table class="stats" border="2" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td>B.Leftwich</td> <td>TB</td> <td align="right">112</td> <td align="right">24</td> <td align="right">12</td> <td align="right">27</td> <td align="right">4.8%</td> <td align="right">22</td> <td align="right">-9.5%</td> <td align="right">112</td> <td align="right">601</td> <td align="right">709</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">54.2%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>B.Gradkowski</td> <td>OAK</td> <td align="right">79</td> <td align="right">25</td> <td align="right">15</td> <td align="right">26</td> <td align="right">-3.6%</td> <td align="right">25</td> <td align="right">-9.7%</td> <td align="right">162</td> <td align="right">937</td> <td align="right">949</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">55.8%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>S.Wallace</td> <td>SEA</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">26</td> <td align="right">-3</td> <td align="right">28</td> <td align="right">-11.1%</td> <td align="right">26</td> <td align="right">-11.4%</td> <td align="right">134</td> <td align="right">614</td> <td align="right">664</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">65.5%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>D.Culpepper</td> <td>DET</td> <td align="right">-30</td> <td align="right">27</td> <td align="right">-72</td> <td align="right">30</td> <td align="right">-13.9%</td> <td align="right">27</td> <td align="right">-17.8%</td> <td align="right">173</td> <td align="right">831</td> <td align="right">831</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">57.8%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>A.Smith</td> <td>SF</td> <td align="right">-80</td> <td align="right">28</td> <td align="right">98</td> <td align="right">24</td> <td align="right">-14.4%</td> <td align="right">28</td> <td align="right">-7.2%</td> <td align="right">395</td> <td align="right">2,300</td> <td align="right">1,894</td> <td align="right">18</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">12</td> <td align="right">60.6%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>K.Collins</td> <td>TEN</td> <td align="right">-81</td> <td align="right">29</td> <td align="right">-76</td> <td align="right">31</td> <td align="right">-16.9%</td> <td align="right">29</td> <td align="right">-16.5%</td> <td align="right">224</td> <td align="right">1,178</td> <td align="right">1,026</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">8</td> <td align="right">55.1%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>M.Bulger</td> <td>STL</td> <td align="right">-134</td> <td align="right">30</td> <td align="right">34</td> <td align="right">25</td> <td align="right">-19.1%</td> <td align="right">31</td> <td align="right">-9.1%</td> <td align="right">262</td> <td align="right">1,397</td> <td align="right">1,173</td> <td align="right">5</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">57.1%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>B.Quinn</td> <td>CLE</td> <td align="right">-148</td> <td align="right">31</td> <td align="right">-153</td> <td align="right">33</td> <td align="right">-19.5%</td> <td align="right">32</td> <td align="right">-19.7%</td> <td align="right">276</td> <td align="right">1,270</td> <td align="right">1,236</td> <td align="right">8</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">53.1%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>T.Edwards</td> <td>BUF</td> <td align="right">-167</td> <td align="right">32</td> <td align="right">-139</td> <td align="right">32</td> <td align="right">-24.6%</td> <td align="right">37</td> <td align="right">-22.3%</td> <td align="right">207</td> <td align="right">1,019</td> <td align="right">771</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">60.4%</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center">Player</td> <td align="center">Team</td> <td align="center">DYAR</td> <td align="center">Rk</td> <td align="center">YAR</td> <td align="center">Rk</td> <td align="center">DVOA</td> <td align="center">Rk</td> <td align="center">VOA</td> <td align="center">Passes</td> <td align="center">Yards</td> <td align="center">EYds</td> <td align="center">TD</td> <td align="center">FK</td> <td align="center">FL</td> <td align="center">INT</td> <td align="center">C%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>R.Fitzpatrick</td> <td>BUF</td> <td align="right">-177</td> <td align="right">33</td> <td align="right">-243</td> <td align="right">36</td> <td align="right">-22.7%</td> <td align="right">35</td> <td align="right">-27.0%</td> <td align="right">248</td> <td align="right">1,299</td> <td align="right">997</td> <td align="right">9</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">9</td> <td align="right">56.2%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>J.Delhomme</td> <td>CAR</td> <td align="right">-198</td> <td align="right">34</td> <td align="right">-319</td> <td align="right">40</td> <td align="right">-20.2%</td> <td align="right">33</td> <td align="right">-25.8%</td> <td align="right">341</td> <td align="right">1,829</td> <td align="right">1,482</td> <td align="right">8</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">18</td> <td align="right">56.3%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>S.Hill</td> <td>SF</td> <td align="right">-210</td> <td align="right">35</td> <td align="right">-69</td> <td align="right">29</td> <td align="right">-31.3%</td> <td align="right">40</td> <td align="right">-17.8%</td> <td align="right">177</td> <td align="right">877</td> <td align="right">553</td> <td align="right">5</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">56.9%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>J.Johnson</td> <td>TB</td> <td align="right">-227</td> <td align="right">36</td> <td align="right">-301</td> <td align="right">39</td> <td align="right">-38.6%</td> <td align="right">43</td> <td align="right">-47.5%</td> <td align="right">139</td> <td align="right">675</td> <td align="right">347</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">5</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">7</td> <td align="right">50.4%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>J.Cutler</td> <td>CHI</td> <td align="right">-227</td> <td align="right">37</td> <td align="right">-161</td> <td align="right">35</td> <td align="right">-17.1%</td> <td align="right">30</td> <td align="right">-15.4%</td> <td align="right">593</td> <td align="right">3,545</td> <td align="right">2,753</td> <td align="right">27</td> <td align="right">7</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">26</td> <td align="right">61.2%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>M.Sanchez</td> <td>NYJ</td> <td align="right">-287</td> <td align="right">38</td> <td align="right">-278</td> <td align="right">37</td> <td align="right">-22.8%</td> <td align="right">36</td> <td align="right">-22.4%</td> <td align="right">391</td> <td align="right">2,307</td> <td align="right">1,598</td> <td align="right">12</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">20</td> <td align="right">54.4%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>J.Freeman</td> <td>TB</td> <td align="right">-294</td> <td align="right">39</td> <td align="right">-410</td> <td align="right">43</td> <td align="right">-26.1%</td> <td align="right">39</td> <td align="right">-32.0%</td> <td align="right">313</td> <td align="right">1,756</td> <td align="right">1,182</td> <td align="right">10</td> <td align="right">7</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">17</td> <td align="right">55.2%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>K.Boller</td> <td>STL</td> <td align="right">-305</td> <td align="right">40</td> <td align="right">-283</td> <td align="right">38</td> <td align="right">-35.6%</td> <td align="right">42</td> <td align="right">-33.9%</td> <td align="right">193</td> <td align="right">789</td> <td align="right">588</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">56.0%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>M.Hasselbeck</td> <td>SEA</td> <td align="right">-339</td> <td align="right">41</td> <td align="right">-156</td> <td align="right">34</td> <td align="right">-21.1%</td> <td align="right">34</td> <td align="right">-15.7%</td> <td align="right">529</td> <td align="right">2,886</td> <td align="right">2,292</td> <td align="right">17</td> <td align="right">8</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">16</td> <td align="right">60.2%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>D.Anderson</td> <td>CLE</td> <td align="right">-361</td> <td align="right">42</td> <td align="right">-444</td> <td align="right">45</td> <td align="right">-40.4%</td> <td align="right">44</td> <td align="right">-47.1%</td> <td align="right">196</td> <td align="right">856</td> <td align="right">502</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">10</td> <td align="right">44.8%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>K.Null</td> <td>STL</td> <td align="right">-394</td> <td align="right">43</td> <td align="right">-405</td> <td align="right">42</td> <td align="right">-59.1%</td> <td align="right">46</td> <td align="right">-60.4%</td> <td align="right">134</td> <td align="right">480</td> <td align="right">126</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">8</td> <td align="right">61.3%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>M.Cassel</td> <td>KC</td> <td align="right">-463</td> <td align="right">44</td> <td align="right">-433</td> <td align="right">44</td> <td align="right">-24.7%</td> <td align="right">38</td> <td align="right">-23.8%</td> <td align="right">550</td> <td align="right">2,727</td> <td align="right">2,116</td> <td align="right">16</td> <td align="right">9</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">15</td> <td align="right">55.8%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>M.Stafford</td> <td>DET</td> <td align="right">-531</td> <td align="right">45</td> <td align="right">-380</td> <td align="right">41</td> <td align="right">-31.9%</td> <td align="right">41</td> <td align="right">-26.0%</td> <td align="right">398</td> <td align="right">2,190</td> <td align="right">1,343</td> <td align="right">13</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">20</td> <td align="right">54.5%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>J.Russell</td> <td>OAK</td> <td align="right">-755</td> <td align="right">46</td> <td align="right">-795</td> <td align="right">46</td> <td align="right">-57.2%</td> <td align="right">45</td> <td align="right">-59.7%</td> <td align="right">280</td> <td align="right">1,122</td> <td align="right">294</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">10</td> <td align="right">49.0%</td></tr></tbody></table>

RealSNR

01-08-2010 01:06 PM

To be fair, that's a list not necessarily accurate of a QB's worth. Aaron Rodgers is better than half of the guys ranked above him.

But still, it's got the right players slotted in roughly the right spots. That's pretty damning evidence against Cassel.

If you gave him an offensive line, I doubt his numbers would go up that much. Maybe he might make it above replacement level.

OnTheWarpath15

01-08-2010 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 6423720)

So, out of Brady, Manning Rivers, Brees, Favre, Romo, Schaub and Roethlisberger, which 5 do you think Rodgers is better than?

'Hamas' Jenkins

01-08-2010 01:11 PM

He was 35/38 QBs in rushing, so we've got that going for us.

Nixhex

01-08-2010 01:12 PM

I believe he was pretty solid on play action passing?

RealSNR

01-08-2010 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6423733)

So, out of Brady, Manning Rivers, Brees, Favre, Romo, Schaub and Roethlisberger, which 5 do you think Rodgers is better than?

Okay, I exagerrated when I said half. I WOULD rather have him than Romo, Schaub, and Roethlisberger, though. And of course, Favre, but since this is a statistical analysis based on play for one year, I would say Favre was a better QB than Rodgers this year.

Hammock Parties

01-08-2010 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6423697)

QBs who finished behind Cassel: Stafford and Russell.

QBs who finished ahead of Cassel: Everyone else in the NFL who threw more than 100 passes.

On a positive note, he was 38/46 on a per play basis, narrowly edging out Josh Freeman.

On another positive note, Brodie Croyle would have finished 25 had he accumulated enough attempts.

http://i50.tinypic.com/r92zh4.jpg

LO! The fourth horseman of the apocalypse has appeared, on his great and terrible stallion! Shrink from the horror of the past-his-prime stop-gap passer....he is Hamas, horseman of the future Hall of Fame quarterback who gets his brains turned into mush by Bruce Smith.

beer bacon

01-08-2010 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6423733)

So, out of Brady, Manning Rivers, Brees, Favre, Romo, Schaub and Roethlisberger, which 5 do you think Rodgers is better than?

I think he is better than Romo, Schaub, and Roethlisberger. He might be better than Favre.

Chiefnj2

01-08-2010 01:14 PM

I don't see how Delhomme comes out ahead of Cassel. Jake had better weapons, the same completion %, but had more than 2x as many TDs to INts as Cassel did.

DaneMcCloud

01-08-2010 01:15 PM

It's a process

Hammock Parties

01-08-2010 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6423716)

He graded out perfectly:

Drops.
O-line.
Herm.
Coaching.
Wind.
System.
Obama.

HARK! The second horseman of the Apo-cassel-ypse has swooped into the thread on his equine terror mount! Avert your eyes from missing the playoffs by one game...he is Deeznutz, horseman of the four interceptions thrown to the Buffalo Bills in a 2005 road game.

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Hammock Parties

01-08-2010 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6423733)

So, out of Brady, Manning Rivers, Brees, Favre, Romo, Schaub and Roethlisberger, which 5 do you think Rodgers is better than?

BEHOLD! It is the third horseman of the Apo-cassel-ypse, descending upon us like a specter of the kentucky derby! Quiver in fear at the sight of the game manager who wobble launches his team into hell...he is OnTheWarpath58, horsemen of the why the **** are we starting this old guy instead of Croyle?

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DaWolf

01-08-2010 01:17 PM

Then again, he was ranked 17th last year, his first year starting.

Cutler tumbled from 5 to 37. Is it the player or the environment/coaches?

'Hamas' Jenkins

01-08-2010 01:20 PM

GoChiefs is throwing 97 with movement right now.

B_Ambuehl

01-08-2010 01:22 PM

Cassell doesn't have what it takes mentally to be a successful NFL QB. If you watch him throw the ball, assess his knowledge of the game, time his speed, agility, and overall athletic ability, you get what should be a pretty decent NFL QB. But when you actually throw him into the fire and have him use all that in an actual game he shits the bed. What should be a mobile and pocket savvy QB turns into one that lacks pocket awareness and repeatedly makes his O line look like shit (see the number of sacks he took in New England last year). Throws that appear easy for him in a relaxed setting appear next to impossible. Progressions that he can mentally do in his sleep in a meeting room he never gets to in a game.

A good percentage of QB failures are great hardworking, intelligent guys but just don't have what it takes. Compare those type of guys to someone like Brett Favre, who practically won an MVP trophy before he even knew what a nickel defense was. Cassell's not a gamer and likely never will be.

Simply Red

01-08-2010 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6423716)

He graded out perfectly:

Drops.
O-line.
Herm.
Coaching.
Wind.
System.
Obama.

what's an Obama?

Hammock Parties

01-08-2010 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6423793)

GoChiefs is throwing 97 with movement right now.

I just wish we could get all four horsemen in the same thread.

Then the world ends.

Mile High Mania

01-08-2010 01:25 PM

Orton = #12 up from #21 a year ago...

stevieray

01-08-2010 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 6423782)

Then again, he was ranked 17th last year, his first year starting.

Cutler tumbled from 5 to 37. Is it the player or the environment/coaches?

depends..

if you like the player, his failure is always the coaches fault, his success is his own, despite the coach..

if you don't like the player, it's the coaches fault for putting him on the team.

if you don't like the coach, the player can do no wrong or is being misused.

if you like the coach, it's the player's fault.

'Hamas' Jenkins

01-08-2010 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 6423824)

Stark binarism!! FTL!!

Brock

01-08-2010 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl (Post 6423807)

I pretty much agree with all of that. All you can do is hope he improves, it's happened before I guess.

DaWolf

01-08-2010 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 6423820)

Orton = #12 up from #21 a year ago...

Trent Green went from 25 to 3 once we upgraded the offense in 2002.

Interestingly, Elvis Grbac was 6 in 1999 and 4 in 2000...

Tribal Warfare

01-08-2010 01:32 PM

PASSING, OTHERS: 10-99 passes

<table class="stats" border="2" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td align="center">Player</td> <td align="center">Team</td> <td align="center">DYAR</td> <td align="center">YAR</td> <td align="center">DVOA</td> <td align="center">VOA</td> <td align="center">Passes</td> <td align="center">Yards</td> <td align="center">EYds</td> <td align="center">TD</td> <td align="center">FK</td> <td align="center">FL</td> <td align="center">INT</td> <td align="center">C%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>T.Jackson</td> <td>MIN</td> <td align="Right">111</td> <td align="Right">132</td> <td align="Right">80.2%</td> <td align="Right">97.7%</td> <td align="Right">21</td> <td align="Right">201</td> <td align="Right">249</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">66.7%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>B.Croyle</td> <td>KC</td> <td align="Right">80</td> <td align="Right">41</td> <td align="Right">20.3%</td> <td align="Right">5.3%</td> <td align="Right">43</td> <td align="Right">212</td> <td align="Right">323</td> <td align="Right">2</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">57.5%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>D.Carr</td> <td>NYG</td> <td align="Right">72</td> <td align="Right">84</td> <td align="Right">23.8%</td> <td align="Right">29.5%</td> <td align="Right">35</td> <td align="Right">213</td> <td align="Right">265</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">65.6%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>B.Volek</td> <td>SD</td> <td align="Right">72</td> <td align="Right">83</td> <td align="Right">22.2%</td> <td align="Right">27.0%</td> <td align="Right">32</td> <td align="Right">230</td> <td align="Right">272</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">64.5%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>C.Pennington</td> <td>MIA</td> <td align="Right">23</td> <td align="Right">55</td> <td align="Right">-6.6%</td> <td align="Right">-0.1%</td> <td align="Right">78</td> <td align="Right">383</td> <td align="Right">436</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">70.8%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>M.Vick</td> <td>PHI</td> <td align="Right">6</td> <td align="Right">13</td> <td align="Right">-4.7%</td> <td align="Right">3.0%</td> <td align="Right">13</td> <td align="Right">86</td> <td align="Right">82</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">46.2%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>B.Hoyer</td> <td>NE</td> <td align="Right">6</td> <td align="Right">7</td> <td align="Right">-7.9%</td> <td align="Right">-7.2%</td> <td align="Right">29</td> <td align="Right">124</td> <td align="Right">146</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">70.4%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>M.Leinart</td> <td>ARI</td> <td align="Right">4</td> <td align="Right">25</td> <td align="Right">-10.4%</td> <td align="Right">-6.1%</td> <td align="Right">80</td> <td align="Right">445</td> <td align="Right">401</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">3</td> <td align="Right">66.2%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>D.Dixon</td> <td>PIT</td> <td align="Right">-5</td> <td align="Right">-29</td> <td align="Right">-14.7%</td> <td align="Right">-30.2%</td> <td align="Right">26</td> <td align="Right">145</td> <td align="Right">114</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">46.2%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>M.Flynn</td> <td>GB</td> <td align="Right">-31</td> <td align="Right">-26</td> <td align="Right">-46.0%</td> <td align="Right">-39.8%</td> <td align="Right">14</td> <td align="Right">88</td> <td align="Right">29</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">58.3%</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center">Player</td> <td align="center">Team</td> <td align="center">DYAR</td> <td align="center">YAR</td> <td align="center">DVOA</td> <td align="center">VOA</td> <td align="center">Passes</td> <td align="center">Yards</td> <td align="center">EYds</td> <td align="center">TD</td> <td align="center">FK</td> <td align="center">FL</td> <td align="center">INT</td> <td align="center">C%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>K.Clemens</td> <td>NYJ</td> <td align="Right">-38</td> <td align="Right">-48</td> <td align="Right">-33.8%</td> <td align="Right">-39.8%</td> <td align="Right">29</td> <td align="Right">105</td> <td align="Right">83</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">52.0%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>M.Brunell</td> <td>NO</td> <td align="Right">-67</td> <td align="Right">-109</td> <td align="Right">-46.3%</td> <td align="Right">-68.3%</td> <td align="Right">31</td> <td align="Right">93</td> <td align="Right">62</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">50.0%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>J.T.O'Sullivan</td> <td>CIN</td> <td align="Right">-77</td> <td align="Right">-102</td> <td align="Right">-143.9%</td> <td align="Right">-186.7%</td> <td align="Right">14</td> <td align="Right">9</td> <td align="Right">-58</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">2</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">40.0%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>C.Frye</td> <td>OAK</td> <td align="Right">-78</td> <td align="Right">-55</td> <td align="Right">-23.1%</td> <td align="Right">-19.6%</td> <td align="Right">94</td> <td align="Right">550</td> <td align="Right">418</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">4</td> <td align="Right">62.4%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>T.Collins</td> <td>WAS</td> <td align="Right">-79</td> <td align="Right">-63</td> <td align="Right">-71.5%</td> <td align="Right">-59.6%</td> <td align="Right">26</td> <td align="Right">123</td> <td align="Right">-2</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">2</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">52.2%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>B.Brohm</td> <td>BUF</td> <td align="Right">-83</td> <td align="Right">-42</td> <td align="Right">-51.2%</td> <td align="Right">-31.5%</td> <td align="Right">31</td> <td align="Right">138</td> <td align="Right">54</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">2</td> <td align="Right">58.6%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>C.Painter</td> <td>IND</td> <td align="Right">-133</td> <td align="Right">-192</td> <td align="Right">-78.9%</td> <td align="Right">-109.5%</td> <td align="Right">31</td> <td align="Right">67</td> <td align="Right">-23</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">2</td> <td align="Right">28.6%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>C.Simms</td> <td>DEN</td> <td align="Right">-171</td> <td align="Right">-159</td> <td align="Right">-154.0%</td> <td align="Right">-144.2%</td> <td align="Right">22</td> <td align="Right">-16</td> <td align="Right">-135</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">29.4%</td> </tr> <tr> <td>D.Stanton</td> <td>DET</td> <td align="Right">-242</td> <td align="Right">-295</td> <td align="Right">-74.8%</td> <td align="Right">-88.6%</td> <td align="Right">57</td> <td align="Right">236</td> <td align="Right">-23</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">0</td> <td align="Right">1</td> <td align="Right">6</td> <td align="Right">51.0%</td> </tr> </tbody></table> but Brodie Croyle sucks

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Fish	01-08-2010 01:34 PM

But all we have to do is provide Cassel with the 2003 Chiefs OLine, Jerry Rice, Steve Largent, Chris Carter, and bring back Gonzalez, and we're ****ing SB bound!

It's a process.....

DaWolf

01-08-2010 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 6423849)

Well if we're using this as the measure, he sure does because of his #40 ranking in 2007, cause you can't improve as a QB, you either have it or you don't...

smittysbar

01-08-2010 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 6423946)

Well if we're using this as the measure, he sure does because of his #40 ranking in 2007, cause you can't improve as a QB, you either have it or you don't...

R2P2, period

blaise

01-08-2010 02:01 PM

This list is clearly flawed because Mark Sanchez is the greatest QB to ever put on pads and throw a football.

SDChiefs

01-08-2010 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6423717)

So what youre saying is.... Cassels not the answer?

Reaper16

01-08-2010 02:10 PM

Goddamn, the Rams' Keith Null is rated ahead of Cassel. We all remember when the mantra last year was that Cassel wouldn't need the adjustment time that a rookie QB would? Well a rookie QB from goddamned Division II West Texas A&M -- a QB whose QB coach was RYAN "Yes, that Ryan Leaf" LEAF -- out played Cassel.

DJ's left nut

01-08-2010 02:11 PM

HE JUST NEEDS MORE TIME!!!!!

He's only started 30 NFL Games, JFC, people.

DJ's left nut

01-08-2010 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6423997)

Ouch.

TheGuardian

01-08-2010 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6423756)

I don't care about all of this. Who is the chic in your avatar?

DaWolf

01-08-2010 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6423997)

Outplayed Cassel? Based on these rankings? You're comparing a guy who played in 4 games and had 119 pass attempts to a guy who played 15 games and attempted 493 passes. The dude also threw 3 TD's and 9 INT's in those games and had a QB rating 20 points below Cassel, so I would hardly call that outplaying...

Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan

01-08-2010 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 6424072)

Dammit DaWolf, quit bringing facts and logic into a hater's thread.

:rolleyes:

OnTheWarpath15

01-08-2010 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 6424072)

Do you understand the analysis, or are you just ignoring it?

Quote:

Regular season totals, through Week 17
Revised as of 1/4/2009

Quarterbacks are ranked according to DYAR, or Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement. This gives the value of the quarterback's performance compared to replacement level, adjusted for situation and opponent and then translated into yardage. DYAR (and its cousin, YAR, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.

The other statistic given is DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. This number represents value, per play, over an average quarterback in the same game situations. The more positive the DVOA rating, the better the player's performance. Negative DVOA represents below-average offense. DVOA (and its cousin, VOA, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.

The simple version: DYAR means a quarterback with more total value. DVOA means a quarterback with more value per play.

Effective Yards, listed in red, translate DVOA into a yards per attempt figure. This provides an easy comparison: in general, players with more Effective Yards than standard yards played better than standard stats would otherwise indicate, while players with fewer Effective Yards than standard yards played worse than standard stats would otherwise indicate. Effective Yards are not the best way to measure total value because they are more dependent on usage than DYAR.

* Passes total includes sacks and aborted snaps. Both count against a quarterback's value.
* Fumbles count the same whether lost to the defense or retained by the offense.
* Clicking on a player's name will bring you to his FO player page with advanced stats through 2008.
* Because his runs primarily come as the quarterback in the Wildcat (a.k.a. Flash) formation, Josh Cribbs' rushing value in 2009 is rated as a quarterback, not as a wide receiver.

Reaper16

01-08-2010 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 6424072)

Well, its statistical stuff. I'm sure that Cassel would rate better than Null if Null had the same amount of snaps.

Fritz88

01-08-2010 02:41 PM

Time Castile QBOTF

OnTheWarpath15

01-08-2010 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6424093)

Well, its statistical stuff. I'm sure that Cassel would rate better than Null if Null had the same amount of snaps.

LMAO

Reerun_KC

01-08-2010 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan (Post 6424087)

Dammit DaWolf, quit bringing facts and logic into a hater's thread.

:rolleyes:

gets you no where, but I am sure they will unleash a verbal beatdown on you...

Chiefnj2

01-08-2010 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6424089)

Do you understand the analysis, or are you just ignoring it?

Do you understand it?

"Quarterbacks are ranked according to DYAR, or Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement. This gives the value of the quarterback's performance compared to replacement level, adjusted for situation and opponent and then translated into yardage."

What is replacement level?

DaWolf

01-08-2010 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6424089)

Do you understand the analysis, or are you just ignoring it?

It is what it is, an analysis based on a set of criteria. I usually don't base my entire evaluation of a player based on a single rating system. The analysis presented here has it's value, but should be taken for what it is.

For example, last year Cassel's DYAR and DVOA far exceeded Big Ben's. I'm not going to use that as a basis to say that Cassel as a QB has more value than Roethlisberger, because that would be incorrect...

Hammock Parties

01-08-2010 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6424140)

Just accept the fact that this means Cassel sucks. FO is never wrong. NEVER!

OnTheWarpath15

01-08-2010 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6424140)

In its simplest terms, replacement level refers to the theory that when a starter is injured, he's replaced by a replacement level player - or a bench rider.

So replacement level represents the play of the average backup QB.

In this case, Cassel grades out 18 slots behind replacement level.

If you want something more detailed, you should read Football Outsiders. They do excellent work.

Thig Lyfe

01-08-2010 03:04 PM

But Cassel tied for first in the league in beards!

blaise

01-08-2010 03:04 PM

You don't need stats to see it. Just apply the eye test. When he gets his chances during games he misses way too much, and that's not going to change.

HemiEd

01-08-2010 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6423997)

I was wishing the Chiefs had the 2nd string freshman QB from Texas last night. He showed way more pocket presence the second half, than I saw from Cassel all year.

Hammock Parties

01-08-2010 03:32 PM

Quote:

Football Outsiders Ranks Matt Cassel 44th of 46 QBs

'Hamas' Jenkins

01-08-2010 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6424290)

http://i25.tinypic.com/427a9.jpg

DeezNutz

01-08-2010 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6424089)

Do you understand the analysis?

No. Who speaks these strange metrics? /Dayton Pioli/

TheGuardian

01-08-2010 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6424162)

Just accept the fact that this means Cassel sucks. FO is never wrong. NEVER!

Chic in your avatar please!

TheGuardian

01-08-2010 04:31 PM

Oh and on the bright side of this, well at least he wasn't 45th or 46th. So there.

BossChief

01-08-2010 04:56 PM

Proof that you cant take a kid that only started 15 games through his whole college and pro career, combined, and drop him off on a 2-14 team devoid of talent and then proceed to deprive him of a qb coach and OC that is required for a young qb to learn and progress, right before the season starts, and then installing a new offense days before the season starts and expect him to succeed in that scenario. Or even be average. <----I realize this is a poorly worded, long, run on sentence, but Im not changing it.

I and many others expected a below average year from him, just not this bad.

Im willing to bet that he makes a pronounced jump up in these rankings by this time next year after some of these gaping weaknesses are fixed and he progresses as qbs with his work ethic do.

Casino cash
avatar rights
sig rights

I am willing to put any of these three on the line against any of the "horsemen" to say that Cassel cuts that number in half and ends up at least 22nd in these rankings next year or better. This puts me at a huge disadvantage because it is dependent on Pioli filling the holes that are there to give the kid a chance at achieving this, but I am basing my thoughts on the fact that I fully believe that Pioli looked at this as a evaluation year and that he will fill a couple needed holes to help his investment succeed. So call me a homer for this all you want or claim I am calling for a miracle, but I honestly think it is ralistic to expect that type of improvement or better. The kid is not a total loss.

I expected a below average to poor performance this year. That showed to be more than realistic, I just never thought it would have been this bad.

I realistically expect Pioli to fill at least half the holes we have on offense and for Weis to make a big difference in the progression of Mr Cassel.

Who is game?

/hopes this doesn't backfire, but one has to have hope

T-post Tom

01-08-2010 05:00 PM

So who's going to step up and post the gif of Weiss riding in on his white horse (Warpaint)?

Fish	01-08-2010 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6424093)

Well, its statistical stuff. I'm sure that Cassel would rate better than Null if Null had the same amount of snaps.

Butt look at how much Null's receiver's dropped the ball. Null just needs better receivers. Give Null time. It's a process....

DaWolf

01-08-2010 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6424725)

Im willing to bet that he makes a pronounced jump up in these rankings by this time next year after some of these gaping weaknesses are fixed and he progresses as qbs with his work ethic do.

He better, otherwise there will be no Cassel year three, and if the team tanks, no Haley year three...

BossChief

01-08-2010 05:10 PM

If he fails horribly, I will be pimping the "trade up at all costs, if needed, to take the best qb in the class which likely will be Locker" bandwagon, but I havent completely given up on Matt quite yet.

Pioli Zombie

01-08-2010 06:28 PM

Ok. I'm a Cassel apologist. But obviously this list is ****ed if Stafford is ranked BEHIND him,Brodie Croyle is as high as #25, and Tom Brady is rated #1 THIS YEAR. But its funny how the Cassel haters will ignore all that if they find any article that bashes Cassel.
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BigMeatballDave

01-08-2010 06:30 PM

Seriously? Do we really need another thread telling us Matt Cassel sucked this season?

DeezNutz

01-08-2010 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6424725)

I am willing to put any of these three on the line against any of the "horsemen" to say that Cassel cuts that number in half and ends up at least 22nd in these rankings next year or better.

Yeah, when we made the trade, I was hoping for a Chris Redman level of production (#22 this year).

WilliamTheIrish

01-08-2010 06:37 PM

Great.

My team went from two wins to four, it's so cold and the snow so ****ing high I feel like I'm living the real life Ice Station ****ing Zebra movie and now... NOW we have a statistical analysis that reveals our QB is bottom of the barrel.

It's like being the real life Earl Hickey.

WilliamTheIrish

01-08-2010 06:38 PM

And I might as well add

"Pullen for threeeeeee"!

JD10367

01-08-2010 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl (Post 6423807)

I dunno. He looked like he had what it takes last year. Perhaps it has something to do with having better coaching, and having decent players around you. Nah, can't be that...

Quote:

A good percentage of QB failures are great hardworking, intelligent guys but just don't have what it takes. Compare those type of guys to someone like Brett Favre, who practically won an MVP trophy before he even knew what a nickel defense was. Cassell's not a gamer and likely never will be.

So, what you're saying is, Cassel's no Brett Favre. Mmmkay.

Pioli Zombie

01-08-2010 06:41 PM

Why wait and see what the Chiefs can accomplish with a real offensive coordinator when every day off season can be devoted to Cassel sucks conversation non stop?
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milkman

01-09-2010 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6423733)

So, out of Brady, Manning Rivers, Brees, Favre, Romo, Schaub and Roethlisberger, which 5 do you think Rodgers is better than?

Stats mean little to me in the big picture.

I base all my opinions on what I see with my own eyes.

Right now, I'd take Rogers over Romo, Schaub, and Favre, and depending on whether Manning shits his pants in the playoffs again and how Rogers performs in the playoffs himself, I might take him over Manning.

Pioli Zombie

01-09-2010 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6426086)

Ok Milkman, I know Mecca likes Rodgers and you want to please him but you don't have to go off the frickin deep end. Have SOME dignity.
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milkman

01-09-2010 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6424725)

Proof that you cant take a kid that only started 15 games through his whole college and pro career, combined, and drop him off on a 2-14 team devoid of talent and then proceed to deprive him of a qb coach and OC that is required for a young qb to learn and progress, right before the season starts, and then installing a new offense days before the season starts and expect him to succeed in that scenario. Or even be average. <----I realize this is a poorly worded, long, run on sentence, but Im not changing it.

I and many others expected a below average year from him, just not this bad.

Im willing to bet that he makes a pronounced jump up in these rankings by this time next year after some of these gaping weaknesses are fixed and he progresses as qbs with his work ethic do.

Casino cash
avatar rights
sig rights

I am willing to put any of these three on the line against any of the "horsemen" to say that Cassel cuts that number in half and ends up at least 22nd in these rankings next year or better. This puts me at a huge disadvantage because it is dependent on Pioli filling the holes that are there to give the kid a chance at achieving this, but I am basing my thoughts on the fact that I fully believe that Pioli looked at this as a evaluation year and that he will fill a couple needed holes to help his investment succeed. So call me a homer for this all you want or claim I am calling for a miracle, but I honestly think it is ralistic to expect that type of improvement or better. The kid is not a total loss.

I expected a below average to poor performance this year. That showed to be more than realistic, I just never thought it would have been this bad.

I realistically expect Pioli to fill at least half the holes we have on offense and for Weis to make a big difference in the progression of Mr Cassel.

Who is game?

/hopes this doesn't backfire, but one has to have hope

I'm going to say this again.

If Pioli looked at this year as an evaluation year, then he's an incompetent, useless boob.

He should have been able to make evaluations from game film and start filling holes going into the season.

OnTheWarpath15

01-09-2010 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6426086)

Oh, I prefer the eye test as well. But this type of statistical analysis is also important to support what you are seeing.

Or in the case of many here, support what they aren't seeing.

And I was with you on the QB's until you included Peyton.

milkman

01-09-2010 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 6426087)

Ok Milkman, I know Mecca likes Rodgers and you want to please him but you don't have to go off the frickin deep end. Have SOME dignity.
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Listen, dick breath, I was on the Rogers bandwagon ling before mecca liked him.

I've said it consistently for years.

Favre and Manning are the most overrated QBs, along with Joe Namath, in NFL history.

milkman

01-09-2010 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6426099)

Oh, I prefer the eye test as well. But this type of statistical analysis is also important to support your opinons.

And I was with you on the QB's until you included Peyton.

Manning, for all of his numbers, invarably shits the bed in the playoffs.

He tried to give a couple of playoff games away in their one SB run, including to the sorryass Chiefs.

That Colt defense, Addai and Rhodes carried he and teh Colts to that SB.

Manning is about the only great QB in the last 20 years to see a drop in QB rating in the playoffs from the regular season.

The other.

Favre.

Pioli Zombie

01-09-2010 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6426100)

You forgot Dan Marino.
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okcchief

01-09-2010 10:17 AM

Well, he is in the same neighborhood as Sanchez and Cutler who many here have the hard dick for.

OnTheWarpath15

01-09-2010 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6426107)

I don't disagree, I just want to see Rodgers do something in the playoffs before I take him over Manning.

Pioli Zombie

01-09-2010 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by okcchief (Post 6426111)

Well, he is in the same neighborhood as Sanchez and Cutler who many here have the hard dick for.

Don't knock Sanchez. His 63 yards passing carried the Jets into the playoffs
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