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luv 01-11-2010 09:13 PM

Homer vs Anti-homer
 
I know I've seen both extremes on here. There's the unrealistic, head in the clouds, rose colored glasses type of person who makes outlandish statements due to believing his team can do no wrong. Then, there's the over-realistic person who analyzes every move, every decision, and every stat to the point where it seems the team can either do no good or it just takes all of the fun out of watching the game.

I realize that a vast majority of people on here fall somewhere in the middle. Let's say, though, that you could only label yourself one or the other. Which would you say you're most like?

Just to make it fun, I'm going to make it a public poll. :)

Hammock Parties 01-11-2010 09:15 PM

I like to think I fall in the happy medium.

Chiefaholic 01-11-2010 09:18 PM

I fall in the middle, but closer to homer than anti-homer. I prefer to see the glass as half full approach than live my life bitching and moaning about doom and gloom 24/7. This team has a LOT of holes on both sides of the ball. There's too many problems for this team to be a contender for at least a couple seasons. Assuming there's isn't a 2011 lockout which will only screw things up more.

rambleonthruthefog 01-11-2010 09:18 PM

i hate to say it cause i'm an antihomer on just about everything else, but when it comes to my chiefs i lean a little to the homer.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-11-2010 09:23 PM

I'm anti stupid people.

BIG K 01-11-2010 09:32 PM

The question is moot. Provide a third option my dear, somewhere in the middle...

luv 01-11-2010 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIG K (Post 6436190)
The question is moot. Provide a third option my dear, somewhere in the middle...

Most people lie somewhere in the middle. Which way would you say you lean?

Kyle DeLexus 01-11-2010 09:47 PM

I'm a realist.

Tribal Warfare 01-11-2010 09:48 PM

Realist

big nasty kcnut 01-11-2010 09:55 PM

I'm mister positive chiefs fan.

Lzen 01-11-2010 09:56 PM

Anti Homer?

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luv 01-11-2010 10:00 PM

I'd have to say homer. I tend to be optimistic, and sometimes, having a littel blind hope is fun.

Easy 6 01-11-2010 10:13 PM

Realist who nonetheless believes in the occasional earned & given Miracle.

IT CAN HAPPEN TO YOU!1!

Sully 01-11-2010 10:15 PM

I try to be a realist, but when it comes down to it, I'm a homer.

WildTurkey 01-11-2010 10:19 PM

KnowShit put himself as an anti-homer ROFL

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-11-2010 10:22 PM

On the subway today, a man came up to me to start a conversation. He made small talk, a lonely man talking about how good the Weis and Crennel hires would be, and the Patriot Way. I tried to be pleasant and accommodating, but my head hurt from his homerism. I almost didn't notice it had happened, but I suddenly threw up all over him. He was not pleased, and I couldn't stop laughing.

Sure-Oz 01-11-2010 10:22 PM

im a realist, slightly homeresque but very critical of the team...i always hope for the best and try not to ignore the facts

LaChapelle 01-11-2010 10:54 PM

Cum on everything
or shit on everything
there's got to be better options

Rain Man 01-11-2010 10:55 PM

I'm a realist, but it's sometimes hard to tell because my team always makes the right decisions.

Chiefs=Champions 01-11-2010 11:02 PM

knowmos an anti homer? LMAO

Mr. Flopnuts 01-11-2010 11:03 PM

I talk shit, but I'm not leaving the Chiefs. It's the only thing I know.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Homer

CHENZ A! 01-11-2010 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6436427)
I talk shit, but I'm not leaving the Chiefs. It's the only thing I know.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Homer

I agree, and we're allowed to talk shit because we actually root for the team. Everyone else can kiss my whole family's ass. It's like you can talk shit about your family, or your friends, but when a stranger does it you check them. It's the same way with the Chiefs. Too many people that don't even like or know anything about the team talk shit, and should just STFU

I am a HOMER.

smittysbar 01-12-2010 12:11 AM

fall in the middle, more like realistic.

TigerPig 01-12-2010 12:14 AM

I'm a total Homer. Like eating doughnuts, being bald, and saying, d'oh a lot Homer.

Here's the deal. I want to be happy, so I'm going to be. I want to enjoy stuff, so I'm going to. When it comes to football I REFUSE to get upset and bent out of shape because things aren't going my way. I don't want to be disgruntled, so I'm not.

I know its a complete and total case of denial, but it works, and I'm happy. :)

JOhn 01-12-2010 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TigerPig (Post 6436614)
I'm a total Homer. Like eating doughnuts, being bald, and saying, d'oh a lot Homer.

Here's the deal. I want to be happy, so I'm going to be. I want to enjoy stuff, so I'm going to. When it comes to football I REFUSE to get upset and bent out of shape because things aren't going my way. I don't want to be disgruntled, so I'm not.

I know its a complete and total case of denial, but it works, and I'm happy. :)

THIS:D

BigMeatballDave 01-12-2010 02:17 AM

I voted anti-homer. I'm actually somewhere in between.
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007 01-12-2010 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6436173)
I'm anti stupid people.

And yet here you are.:)

Param 01-12-2010 03:52 AM

Realist sprinkled with some homerism.

When the game starts, I don't care about order of draft selection, etc. Just want a Chiefs win.

tmax63 01-12-2010 06:58 AM

I'm a cynical realist at heart but one of my few indulgences is thinking that the Chiefs can make it back and can say I like the decisions made since Pioli and Clark have assumed the helm. Did they all work, no, but I see activity and a method to their collective madness, not a wandering in the wilderness approach.

beach tribe 01-12-2010 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildTurkey (Post 6436326)
KnowShit put himself as an anti-homer ROFL

ROFLROFLROFL

OMFG

ChiefJustice 01-12-2010 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 6436841)
And yet here you are.:)

Take that,Hamas!


Wait a second....what?

Oh,I see what you the whole thinged there.

jidar 01-12-2010 07:45 AM

There are two sides to every view and debate is always possible. With that in mind I don't understand why some people spend the vast majority of their time focusing on what the team does wrong. It seems like a lousy way to enjoy sports.

Baby Lee 01-12-2010 09:06 AM

Right now, I watch the Chiefs like the wisenheimers on Best Week Ever watched pop culture.

A little shocked, a little titillated, a little outraged, a little wistful, but overall enjoying the hot mess.

Which is my roundabout way of saying I'm about as emotionally invested in the fortunes of Haley and Cassel as I am the sanctity of Paris' and Lindsey's Hey-neener-neeners.

MichaelH 01-12-2010 09:08 AM

I am definitely more realistic but hate when the Chiefs lose. A win is more important than a draft pick to me.

verbaljitsu 01-12-2010 09:36 AM

What exactly is the point of being a sports fan if you are going to be an anti-homer?

SenselessChiefsFan 01-12-2010 09:50 AM

There are so many 'realists'. Reality is skewed by perception. Which gets back to the basic question at hand. Homer or Anti Homer.

To me, the two terms that originate the discussion are somewhate misleading. Perhaps it should be Chiefs' optimist and Chiefs' pessimist. We are all homers in that we want the Chiefs to win.

But, every 'reality' is skewed by our perception. Take Matt Cassel. Clearly, he underperformed this year. However, the 'reality' in my mind is that he had three offensive coordinators in eight months, he had a lack of talent around him, and the Chiefs set the all time drops record. While these facts do not absolve him of blame, the should be at least mitigating factors.

There are other topics as well, such as Tamba Hali, Derrick Johnson, cutting Bernard Pollard, the coaching of Todd Haley, etc.

One would think that a 'realist' would tend to fall on one side for one topic (as in the Chiefs made the right move) and the other side for other topics. (as in the Chiefs made a mistake)

However, the self described realists often fall on the same side of every argument.

The 'reality' is that the difference between a 4-12 team and a 10-6 team is much smaller than the average fan can realize from their couch. It is the little things, like dropped passes. Missed blocking assignments, etc. The actual reality is that the disparity in talent isn't the main culprit, it is the disparity in attention to detail, and concentration.

Anyways, we are all Homers in that we want the Chiefs to win. And, it would get old if every move by the Chiefs was met with unbridled enthusiasm and acceptance. However, if you think you are a realist and every move the Chiefs make is a bad decision, or every move the Chiefs make is for the best.... YOU ARE NOT A REALIST!

RippedmyFlesh 01-12-2010 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6436334)
On the subway today, a man came up to me to start a conversation. He made small talk, a lonely man talking about how good the Weis and Crennel hires would be, and the Patriot Way. I tried to be pleasant and accommodating, but my head hurt from his homerism. I almost didn't notice it had happened, but I suddenly threw up all over him. He was not pleased, and I couldn't stop laughing.

I had to be that way when SU hired robinson.I just didn't have time to reason with them. But I did refrain from blowing lunch.

FloridaMan88 01-12-2010 11:08 AM

This board has far too many head up Clark Hunt's ass homers and it is pathetic and sickening.

People who are willing to tolerate losing deserve the shit that has been put forth from One Arrowhead Drive the past few years.

HotRoute 01-12-2010 11:37 AM

it seems like a lot of people are homers during the offseason hoping for the best and wanting changes made. But then during the season they're calling for heads, hoping for loses so we get better draft picks and hoping our coach loses his cool and beats the crap out of niswanger for F'n up every other play.

I put down that i am a homer, since ive been called that quite a few times on here, but i dont really look at it as a bad thing

HotRoute 01-12-2010 11:40 AM

anti homers are just fans with a stick up their ass. they dont really give a shit either way, since even when the chiefs win they still point out the shit that went wrong. they would probably all be better off just not watching sports and going fishing or hunting so they can find some peace in their lives. Hating on the chiefs has never made them a better team

Inspector 01-12-2010 11:44 AM

I'm a homer.

Until the drugs wear off.

FloridaMan88 01-12-2010 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC111110 (Post 6437423)
anti homers are just fans with a stick up their ass. they dont really give a shit either way, since even when the chiefs win they still point out the shit that went wrong. they would probably all be better off just not watching sports and going fishing or hunting so they can find some peace in their lives. Hating on the chiefs has never made them a better team

And blindly following the Chiefs and selling out Arrowhead for 18 years has really worked out well... right?

Zero playoff wins since '94.

HotRoute 01-12-2010 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 6437444)
And blindly following the Chiefs and selling out Arrowhead for 18 years has really worked out well... right?

Zero playoff wins since '94.

Because playing in a half full stadium and having your own fans boo you and screaming how you should all be fired will won us that playoff game. . . Right?

Reaper16 01-12-2010 12:01 PM

Of these options I'm an anti-homer, clearly. I would just call myself realistic. If my teams were giving me anything good to defend about them then I would defend them. This mindset does not prevent me from enjoying a decent performance by a bad team; watching Charles destroy the Broncos was very satisfying.

OnTheWarpath15 01-12-2010 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6437496)
Of these options I'm an anti-homer, clearly. I would just call myself realistic. If my teams were giving me anything good to defend about them then I would defend them. This mindset does not prevent me from enjoying a decent performance by a bad team; watching Charles destroy the Broncos was very satisfying.

Esto.

Slayer Diablo 01-12-2010 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6436334)
On the subway today, a man came up to me to start a conversation. He made small talk, a lonely man talking about how good the Weis and Crennel hires would be, and the Patriot Way. I tried to be pleasant and accommodating, but my head hurt from his homerism. I almost didn't notice it had happened, but I suddenly threw up all over him. He was not pleased, and I couldn't stop laughing.

So when do we find the first body?

Slayer Diablo 01-12-2010 12:14 PM

I'm right down the middle, but I make an effort to show each side in its own glory at times. I'll especially be an anti-homer for the sake of sounding like House.

Reaper16 01-12-2010 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slayer (Post 6437516)
So when do we find the first body?

First body? You mean latest body.

DJ's left nut 01-12-2010 02:03 PM

I'm a cheery !@#$ing optimist.

keg in kc 01-12-2010 02:22 PM

There's no such thing as an anti-homer. Just different shades of homer.

chefsos 01-12-2010 02:27 PM

I'm a homer who's pretty sure that there are loose lugnuts on the bandwagon wheels.

TigerPig 01-12-2010 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 6437117)
There are so many 'realists'. Reality is skewed by perception. Which gets back to the basic question at hand. Homer or Anti Homer.

To me, the two terms that originate the discussion are somewhate misleading. Perhaps it should be Chiefs' optimist and Chiefs' pessimist. We are all homers in that we want the Chiefs to win.

But, every 'reality' is skewed by our perception. Take Matt Cassel. Clearly, he underperformed this year. However, the 'reality' in my mind is that he had three offensive coordinators in eight months, he had a lack of talent around him, and the Chiefs set the all time drops record. While these facts do not absolve him of blame, the should be at least mitigating factors.

There are other topics as well, such as Tamba Hali, Derrick Johnson, cutting Bernard Pollard, the coaching of Todd Haley, etc.

One would think that a 'realist' would tend to fall on one side for one topic (as in the Chiefs made the right move) and the other side for other topics. (as in the Chiefs made a mistake)

However, the self described realists often fall on the same side of every argument.

The 'reality' is that the difference between a 4-12 team and a 10-6 team is much smaller than the average fan can realize from their couch. It is the little things, like dropped passes. Missed blocking assignments, etc. The actual reality is that the disparity in talent isn't the main culprit, it is the disparity in attention to detail, and concentration.

Anyways, we are all Homers in that we want the Chiefs to win. And, it would get old if every move by the Chiefs was met with unbridled enthusiasm and acceptance. However, if you think you are a realist and every move the Chiefs make is a bad decision, or every move the Chiefs make is for the best.... YOU ARE NOT A REALIST!

Rep! This is a great post that really gets down to what it is all about.

I TOTALLY disagree with your 4-12 vs. 10-6 thing, but that's another bit.

Jenson71 01-12-2010 02:59 PM

I'm in that category where it's like "Nothing I do affects some billionaire's pro football team. Nothing I do affects the way millionaire athletes play a game on Sunday. Nothing I do affects the way millionaire coaches coach on Sunday. Nothing I do affects the Kansas City Chiefs. So why should I worry about it? Should I be happy with life when they win? No. Should I be sad with life when they lose? No. The extent of my feelings towards the billion dollar franchise known as the Chiefs is 'Cool' or 'Shoot'. The Chiefs are strictly a fun diversion. At any point where it becomes an emotional bond, where it becomes some barrier to human bonding because I am too frustrated with them, then I realize my life has gone completely offtrack. The Chiefs are something that a rich man and a poor man in Kansas City should be able to chat amiably about. The Chiefs are something that a father and a son who haven't spoken long should be able to reconnect with, whether they are losing or winning. At any point where the Chiefs are more important than the rich man or poor man, or the father or son, your life is ****ed up and you need guidance." Where's that option?

patteeu 01-12-2010 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv (Post 6436154)
Then, there's the over-realistic person who analyzes every move, every decision, and every stat to the point where it seems the team can either do no good or it just takes all of the fun out of watching the game.

I don't think the anti-homers are any more realistic than the homers. We're really just talking about optimistic people who don't know what they're talking about versus pessimistic people who don't know what they're talking about.

patteeu 01-12-2010 04:06 PM

Oh yeah, mark me down as an optimist (i.e. homer).

patteeu 01-12-2010 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jenson71 (Post 6438181)
I'm in that category where it's like "Nothing I do affects some billionaire's pro football team. Nothing I do affects the way millionaire athletes play a game on Sunday. Nothing I do affects the way millionaire coaches coach on Sunday. Nothing I do affects the Kansas City Chiefs. So why should I worry about it? Should I be happy with life when they win? No. Should I be sad with life when they lose? No. The extent of my feelings towards the billion dollar franchise known as the Chiefs is 'Cool' or 'Shoot'. The Chiefs are strictly a fun diversion. At any point where it becomes an emotional bond, where it becomes some barrier to human bonding because I am too frustrated with them, then I realize my life has gone completely offtrack. The Chiefs are something that a rich man and a poor man in Kansas City should be able to chat amiably about. The Chiefs are something that a father and a son who haven't spoken long should be able to reconnect with, whether they are losing or winning. At any point where the Chiefs are more important than the rich man or poor man, or the father or son, your life is ****ed up and you need guidance." Where's that option?

I'd say that makes you an anti-homer. They're the ones who think they know it all and look down on those who see the team differently. :)

Baby Lee 01-12-2010 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 6438414)
I don't think the anti-homers are any more realistic than the homers. We're really just talking about optimistic people who don't know what they're talking about versus pessimistic people who don't know what they're talking about.

My 'hello 4-12' within minutes of hearing Roaf retired carries no cachet at this point?

patteeu 01-12-2010 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 6438451)
My 'hello 4-12' within minutes of hearing Roaf retired carries no cachet at this point?

If 1000 of us morons guessed our next season's record randomly, over 60 of us would get it right. :p

Baby Lee 01-12-2010 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6438059)
There's no such thing as an anti-homer. Just different shades of homer.

In your opinion, does a homer HOPE for good things to come, regardless of the evidence, or EXPECT good things to come, regardless of the evidence?

luv 01-12-2010 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 6438414)
I don't think the anti-homers are any more realistic than the homers. We're really just talking about optimistic people who don't know what they're talking about versus pessimistic people who don't know what they're talking about.

I never thought of it that way.

Bearcat 01-12-2010 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jenson71 (Post 6438181)
I'm in that category where it's like "Nothing I do affects some billionaire's pro football team. Nothing I do affects the way millionaire athletes play a game on Sunday. Nothing I do affects the way millionaire coaches coach on Sunday. Nothing I do affects the Kansas City Chiefs. So why should I worry about it? Should I be happy with life when they win? No. Should I be sad with life when they lose? No. The extent of my feelings towards the billion dollar franchise known as the Chiefs is 'Cool' or 'Shoot'. The Chiefs are strictly a fun diversion. At any point where it becomes an emotional bond, where it becomes some barrier to human bonding because I am too frustrated with them, then I realize my life has gone completely offtrack. The Chiefs are something that a rich man and a poor man in Kansas City should be able to chat amiably about. The Chiefs are something that a father and a son who haven't spoken long should be able to reconnect with, whether they are losing or winning. At any point where the Chiefs are more important than the rich man or poor man, or the father or son, your life is ****ed up and you need guidance." Where's that option?

:clap:

It's hard to get over that emotional bond, especially if you've grown up watching a team with family and/or friends, but there's no prize for watching every single game in your lifetime or being bummed for 3 days after every loss.

TigerPig 01-12-2010 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jenson71 (Post 6438181)
I'm in that category where it's like "Nothing I do affects some billionaire's pro football team. Nothing I do affects the way millionaire athletes play a game on Sunday. Nothing I do affects the way millionaire coaches coach on Sunday. Nothing I do affects the Kansas City Chiefs. So why should I worry about it? Should I be happy with life when they win? No. Should I be sad with life when they lose? No. The extent of my feelings towards the billion dollar franchise known as the Chiefs is 'Cool' or 'Shoot'. The Chiefs are strictly a fun diversion. At any point where it becomes an emotional bond, where it becomes some barrier to human bonding because I am too frustrated with them, then I realize my life has gone completely offtrack. The Chiefs are something that a rich man and a poor man in Kansas City should be able to chat amiably about. The Chiefs are something that a father and a son who haven't spoken long should be able to reconnect with, whether they are losing or winning. At any point where the Chiefs are more important than the rich man or poor man, or the father or son, your life is ****ed up and you need guidance." Where's that option?

I would venture to say you are not a part of the main audience of CP, since its a board comprised totally of opinion, speculation, and argument (all very emotionally-based actions).


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