Huge Kudos to Pioli and Haley
 

They wasted no time in getting who they wanted. This is a welcome change from the timing of last year's regime change. Hopefully, this a harbinger of more good things to come. :clap:

Dick and Herm would have kept Clancy on for 4 years.

Color me impressed. Patriots West!!!

We are keeping him... just moving him back to DB coach like we signed him to be last year in the first place.

Arizona is basically Pittsburgh West. Seems to be working for them pretty well.
I don't get all the butt hurt over bringing in guys with past success. Everyone wants something new. There is not much that is new in football. All systems and coaches are tied to some tree or another. Either the Parcells or Bill Walsh tree For the most part.
Hell there was a Shottenhiemer tree for a while.
As long as it's not the Peterson tree anymore.

Where he belongs. Now he can focus his attention on bringing Mike Brown 'up to speed'...:)

I know we are keeping him, I posted that in the Schefter thread.

I'm saying he would have stayed DC out of loyalty for 4 years easy with those 2.

We are doing with the Patriots, Dolphins, and Cardinals what the Patriots did with the Jets, Browns, and Giants... its really not as big of a deal as you are making it out to be. The biggest simularity is everyone comes from the Parcells tree.

Mike Brown would need a jetpack up his ass to get up to speed.

Marty would have strangled him.

Hmm, I don't see that at all.

Pittsburgh hasn't had an offensive like the Cardinals in well, ever.

They're running a 3-4 but that's about the end of similarity.

I think hes talking about guys they've brought in...

Isn't Pioli married to Big Bills daughter?

PhilFree:arrow:

Absolutely. Im so happy we have competent co-ordinators here. Definately a step in the right direction.

Kudos to Pioli. This is HUGE for this franchise.

Meh. He would still take bad angles and overshoot the player and land somewhere in the stands....

My excitement in the off season started with Krummy not returning, things have been looking up since.

Yup

That too. GREAT start to the Chiefs off-season.
We need a good D-Line coach though...

This is the reason I'll give Haley props. He holds players accountable, but he's also showing that he'll keep his assistants accountable.

I said it before, half the battle to me with being a good head coach is being able to surround yourself with excellent coordinators. Say what you want about these guys, they've done it before.

And say what you want about Pioli, he could have said F it, and made Haley hire no name, cheap coordinators and if things fell apart, blamed it on the coaches. In the past it was easy to blame our defensive shortcomings on GRob or Ddumbther or Krumrie or any number of coaches we blamed. By hiring these two guys, the heat is now squarely on the GM, because everyone knows these guys can coach and these guys can help lead teams to Super Bowls. So if there is failure, the only real place to point is at talent acquisition. The heat is now on Pioli to get these guys players...

Rumor has it that Crennel is going to coach the DL as well as coordinate.

At this point I wouldn't be giving them credit for hiring their buddies.

Two years from now this could stink like Gunther redux.

I would imagine that they'd keep Pleasant and have Crennel help with coaching D-linemen. It's hard to argue Crennel's credentials as a D-line coach.

Is that his area of expertise? Anyone know?

Interesting.

Weis won't be.

I was worried about this with Crennel, though. We'll see.

Yes, thats where he started in coaching

Almost his entire history has been in the 3-4 as D-line coach, especially with this Patriot version of the 2-gap. He's one of the best at it.

Can he coordinate a defense w/out Belichick? Dunno. But he can coach the hell out of the 2-gap line scheme.

Failure's always possible.
That's beside the point as long as you're making the right decision for your franchise. Fans can deal with failure when the organization has made sound decisions that just didn't pan out. What we can't deal with is standing pat with coordinators we KNOW won't cut it.

Don't forget the Clark is cheap crowd.
I doubt Haley is that expensive but if you look at what Pioli, Haley, Romeo,and Charlie are making it has to be one of higher $ staffs around.
I doubt Charlie and Romeo were cheap.

Pure speculation on your part.

Weis could work for free considering what's he being paid by Notre Dame.

Crennel is also receiving a huge check from Cleveland.

This reminds me of the scene in Pulp Fiction where Tarantino is marveling on the cleaned up car and then The Wolf makes a remark.
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The good thing about Pioli and Haley is they are friends with and are bringing in good coaches unlike Carl and Co.

Actually there was a bunch of discussion on this subject on 610 the other day and the general belief is, like in most jobs, they are going to want paid fair value which is pretty high for coordinators considered some of the best at what they do.

Even if you had a ton of money your not going to go work your ass off for peanuts when the market is willing to pay you your worth.

AWESOME!

Greg Robinson looked like a great hire when he had two Lombardis next on his resume.

Giunta was DC of a Super Bowl defense too. And he won another SB as a coach after he left here.

Art Shell was once voted coach of the year.

I'd say it's about even or in favor of the Chiefs being more like the Patriots.

Out of 16 coaches, only four came with Whisenthunt from Pittsburgh and none were exactly crucial. The Chiefs will have nearly that number on staff (Weis, Crennel, Ward, and Carthon), all in coordinator or above positions (Asst. Head Coach for Carthon).

The Chiefs have six players from New England (seven if you count Justin Rogers on IR) and the Cards have six former Steelers.

That does not support your argument that they didn't "come cheap".

Until we know the numbers, it's speculation. And even then, paying fair market value does not make Clark Hunt any less "cheap", which was your original supposition regarding that certain "crowd".

Very true. There were many opportunities out there for both Weis and Crennel. And these men know that. Which makes the quick hirings that much more impressive. Again:

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I bet his deal is about 110% of whatever NY offered.

I may be wrong, but I think Crennel only had one year left when he was fired by CCleveland so I dont think they are still sending him checks. I wonder how big he is after hip surgery and already being a big guy.

Overall, I am very happy with our hirings so far.

Going from No OC, No QB coach and a crappy DC, to two very good coordinators and added value of a great qb coach built right into our OC and one has to wonder how some here can still try to discredit the hires.

I think we are in the right direction with these guys.

JFC.

MORE speculation.

I'd just like to through out that Weis and Crennel coached with HALEY before they went to the Patriots.

JFC

if all posts on this BB that were speculation were deleted, there would be 5 posts per day.

Sue me

Sure. And there's a large contingency on the board that thinks that's exactly what's going to happen.

Fair enough. But for what Scott Pioli and Todd Haley are trying to do, there wasn't any better choices out there. They got the cream of the crop for their scheme. For that, I give them props.

It's closer to 25 if you look at ones with ties to the tree.

Pats alone:

Cassel
O'Callaghan
Guitierrez
Mays
Vrabel
Copper
Rodgers
Daniels
Herron
Richardson

10 Pats, not 7.

Some of you'll might wanna go back and look at some Cleveland defensive games from '08 and '07 before you crown Crennel king. The 3-4 he runs is arguably the least progressive as far as scheme goes amongst the various 3-4s you'll find including Phillips, Capers, Nolan, Ryan. A good illustration is the improvement in the Dallas D the first year Wade Phillips came in with his scheme replacing Parcells. Yeah, he won 3 superbowls with NE, but 5 years is an eternity in the NFL as far as schemes go.

Copper and Daniels weren't Pats..

Yep.

I might add that the players Weis and Crennel will want are not the dregs of the league, either. Both of these guys will have very specific and high expectations when it comes to talent and performance.

It's all good.

FAX

Just some speculation here, but if it weren't for speculation, the overall post count at CP would be a fraction of what we have today.

Seriously, I don't care what Clark is paying the new coordinators. We just added 9 SuperBowl rings to the coaching staff. And that's a good thing. Speculatively speaking of course.

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I would just like to throw out that the Person Hamas has quoted in his sig is a ****ing clueless idiot because this is Todd Haley's staff.. not Scott Pioli's.

That's my fault for a poor edit.

Originally I was going to say 25 guys from the tree, started to list Ndukwe, Alleman, etc, got lazy, and didn't cut them all off.

LMAO. Ok.

I know Mays was a Bengal... I'm not sure where he was before that.. might of been the Pats though.

He was a Pats scrub for 2 years.

If Haley hadn't worked with them before Pioli then I might believe you. Also pretty much every other coach we have as Haley ties and not Pioli. Theres like one guy before this year who came from the Pariots.. and yeah its normal for the GM to make a recomendation.. but he doesn't put the staff together.

Now Pioli being here might of helped THEM agree to come here. But its not that he pushed Haley to hire them.

What does our GM do, anyway? Oh wait, I know. The entire '09 draft with one other fired douchebag.

They could have really used the boar semen.

Yeah they should have just used scouts and drafted for a different phillosopy than the one they are bringing. Maybe you should judge him after this years draft? Now that he actually has his own staff in place. Even then you should wait three years MINIMUM to judge a draft...

I bet Pioli could trade a second rounder for Tom Brady tomorrow and some of these guys would bitch because he is from "the tree" and he is "injury prone" and old.

Seriously

Why Crennel? What's the history? Haley didn't get involved with coaching until 1995 and that was as a scout. He was Weis' assistant when Crennel was with the Jets, but it was a very short period of time.

Face it, Haley is an offensive guy and he's doing with the defense the only thing he knows. Pioli's way. Crennel is a Pioli hire, Haley's just good with it.

Or a third rounder for Chris Johnson and they'd STILL complain.

It would be awsome if we could bring in Kerry Locklin from the Jets and offer him more to coach our D-Line. They shut down Tennesssee's rushing attack, which is no small feat.

Hes also a Parcells guy and thats the main tree the Chiefs are picking right now. Even then he still had a short stint with Haley and hes the best avaliable coach at the system Haley wants to run and that Pioli knows how to find players for.

wont happen, he isn't from "the tree"

I bet some of them bitched about taking Jamaal Charles in the third, which is close to Chris Johnson.

Should I look it up?

Maybe Pioli can trade Haley for Billichick? Do you think Billichick would accept that trade? Or would he have to throw in Matt Cassel, Tom Brady, and Randy Moss?

And once again, your speculation is incorrect.


http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/giants...ylzTTgr5Hj3wEI

Crennel NEVER spoke to the Giants.

Crennel or the Pats 3-4 is not progressive and it's very passive and boring, it's like the cover 2 of 3-4.

Dont you know backs are a dime a dozen. you could get one in the 4th...

I forgot, it is fact because I read it on the internet.

FTR I didnt say that is what happened, I said that is how he likely was trying to gauge his fair market value.

And just to let you know, many speculations end up incorrect. ;)

Now that's funny. I don't care who you are.
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two of the decades best defenses were Baltimore and NE...both run a very very similar system

I prefer the more entertaining 1 gap attacking scheme, but that is just my preference..the system is proven to be effective in the NFL.

So you're saying that the New York Post isn't a credible source for Giants football?

:shake:

Im not gonna take the bait Dane. This is not important enough for me to take time arguing about. Go pick a fight with me on some of my other stances on Chiefs related material and Ill fight ya, just not for this crap.

Romeo is KCs DC. I dont care about reporters credibility in NY, AT ALL.

What a second: You're the one that implied it was untrue because you quote "heard it on the internet".

Now when faced with the truth, you're backing down?

**** you, pussy.

Be it that they are recycled guys, overrated, whatever, here's what I like about it:

After watching Haley last year, this is what he needs. He needs a Weis or Crennel to slap him upside the head and tell him when he's making a mistake. If these guys don't help make Haley a better HC, no one will...

I'm happy with the Weis hire...would have preferred Todd Bowles over Crennel, but I'm totally cool with it. One of the reasons I like it is because I doubt Weis/Crennel would accept jobs with us unless they had a pretty freaking good idea that there was going to be some serious infusion of talent in the short term.

It's exciting, now it's up to the front office to do a better job at player evaluation.

The only real good thing is that, I don't believe they're gonna stand pat and try to hope for miracles like we did for guys like Bartee and Hicks. I'm more confident in Weis than Crennel, but comparing either one of them to Gunther is whacked. I think Weis has a chance to install an intermediate passing offense like he did in NE that will suit Cassel very well. And Crennel is definitely better than Clancy, but that doesn't mean we'll be the Steelers on defense.

I think all the comparisons to other teams are tough to call... I can't think of any other scenarios where the exact same OC and DC were in two different places.

I propose a toast: to Weis & Crennel, their nine SB rings, and a successful tenure at Arrowhead. :toast:

"**** you pussy"

....seriously though, it's a concerted effort towards improvement.