NFL Work Stoppage, what do you think?
 

In another thread, it looks like the NFL and the NFLPA are headed for a showdown that could lead to a shortened or cancelled season?

How would you react (choose one in each section)?

I'd support the owners locking out the players in the dispute
I'd support the players if the owners locked them out in the dispute

I'd support the owners using replacement players again
I'd oppose the owners using replacement players again

I'd stop supporting the league if we lost part of the season to work stoppage
I'd continue supporting the league if we lost part of the season to work stoppage

I'd stop supporting the league if they cancelled an entire season
I'd continue supporting the league if they cancelled an entire season

I'd stop supporting the league if the owners gave up the salary cap
I'd continue supporting the league if the owners gave up the salary cap

Poll?

I'm hoping for a replacement player and replacement coaches/GMs so that all of the wannabe Planet QB's and GM's can get a chance to showcase their talents.

Unless they do drastic things to change the sport, I am always going to love it. I think the players should take a pay cut. Notably rookies and players with little tenure. Cassel who started one season should not be able to make that much money. I also believe that rookie salaries contribute to teams staying bad. 1 bad pick with all the money a top 5 is worth can really set your team back. I think if they make a maximum of 2-3 mil a year for rookies it would do wonders to even out the playing field. Then after 3 years they are able to renegotiate at a higher rate depending on performance.

I wouldn't support any of them. I'm not taking the billionaires over the millionaires or vice versa. Fix it, or **** you. Figure it out.

Agreed.
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This here. These two sides of rich assholes are going to kill the golden goose. The NFL right now is on an all-time popularity high. If they shorten or lose a season, they're just as stupid as Major League Baseball was.

And keep the salary cap. It's bad enough as it is. We don't need the New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox of the NFL, and then a bunch of small-market teams that can't afford players.

I know the issues are far more complex than this but I have a difficult time supporting either side in a situation like this. Players are a group of people (even vet minimum guy's)who make more in a year than the majority of Planeteers do in several.(310K in 2009, 325K in 2010 are the mins.) Most of them have had the opportunity to get an education free of charge and somehow it's not enough.

As for the owners, they make enough just on merchandising to pay for an entire salary cap so what are they bitching about?

A work stopage will do nothing but help the fans. The shit is way over priced.

LMAO

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As far as I know the players only want a few more percent of the total take, so that shouldn't be a big deal. I am sure they won't have a problem with taking away some of that bonus money given to unproven drafted players.

I think the biggest problem is some of the owners want a bigger piece of the pie. The fight will be between the owners, then the players.

Who's right a bunch of millionaire football players wanting more money to risk life and limb, or a bunch of BILLIONAIRE owners trying to make a buck?

BTW I'm a conservative republican

They would never let it come to that. They saw what a strike did to MLB. They're only just now fully recovering from that.

I think they are both greedy. I can't say that I think one side is better than the other. But for the sake of the sport there are rules that the owners are trying to initiate that would make it more competitive and easier for a team on the bottom to become competitive now. You have a number 1 pick and its almost 70MM now. If it was 10MM they would not have a problem risking a bust and setting the franchise back 5 years. The players all just want more money (from what I heard, I could be wrong) and they already make so damn much money.

In the end, I am fine with the Bradys and Peyton Mannings making a shit ton of money. But your Cassels, Staffords and Sanchezes should be making far less. Do you think the Chiefs would have a problem drafting a QB with the number 5 pic if it was only going to cost them 15MM over 5 years if they player turns out to be a bust. As I stated before. Make a rule that after 3 years a team can renegotiate the original contract if they believe the player has played to expectations and give them their pay day. The only people this would hurt are the JaMarcus Russells of the world who bust and will never get a big time payday.

I'm on the owners' side all the way. The hired help is free to go sell insurance or something.

I'd be disappointed if they got rid of the salary cap, but I'd stick around for a while to see what would happen.

I don't really support either side ... all of them are a bunch of rich,spoiled asshats.


but the reality is that we fans need the owners to win.

The question to ask in any negotiation is "who needs it more". If professional football were abolished tomorrow, the owners would still be billionaires with massive incomes from their primary ventures. NFL players would still be working for the owners, but it would be by stocking shelves at Home Depot instead of playing for the Falcons.

I recently read that MLB avg salaries are the lowest they've been since something like 2004. Teams are spending less because the earnings aren't there.

I'm kind of hoping ownership makes a stand, but that it is done to keep football affordable to the fans. I know that may seem laughable, but the owners are more likely to take up for the long term health of the league than players are. Players know what the avg career span is for them.

Hey, jspchief sighting!

I ain't sayin that they gold diggas
But they ain't tryin to be no broke ****as

if the players win that helps the players and only the players

if the owners win then maybe ticket prices don't go up so fast. Maybe the owners are more likely to give more money to help build stadiums. Maybe the owners are more likely to keep profit sharing etc.

all those owner items are 'big maybes' but you dam well know nothing good is gonna happen for the fans if the owners lose.

we need lower ticket prices
we need rookies paid after they prove
doesn't the NBA have a rookie slot thing?

the NFL needs that

and stadiums need cheaper beer and food

and the parking?

doesn't the TV package already cover the salary ?

NO MORE SIGNING BONUSES

I'm all for a rookie salary cap. Paying a player 70 million who has never played a down in the NFL is a joke.

As far as how much Cassel makes, that's not something they should make a rule about. If an owner is dumb enough to lock himself into a vet who is unproven, that's on the dumb owner. But for Rookies, there should definitely be a cap. You have to prove it to make it. If there was a cap for rookies, I'd imagine a lot of vets could be kept on rosters instead of being released in FA because they can't afford to keep them around while paying for the shiney new unproven rookie.

In fact, I can't believe the NFLPA would have a problem with that...the only people who get hurt are the un-proven rookies and their agents...

What exactly has Cassel proven to be paid 63MM? I have seen nothing. As far as the NFLPA, the same agents for the players are the agents for the rookies. Im sure they give their guys an ear full to vote against it. Like "if Im not making so and so this much money, how am I going to get you this much money. Its a trickle down effect." Or something similar.

I think you missed his point. Cassel is a vet, it's not your choice how much he makes. It's the owners. If he wants to throw money at an unproven player, that's his problem.

Rookies on the other hand, should have a slotting system. It's what is best for the NFL. Look at the Chiefs right now. How much money have they, essentially, been forced to shell out on two going on 3 consecutive rookies that have proven nothing, and there is no guarantee that they pan out.

That sets a franchise back, and it really isnt even the Franchises choice.

Vets dont need a slotting system. They have already proven there worth to a team. Rookies do.

See post 4

Work stoppage worries only increase
Posted by Mike Florio on January 19, 2010 6:51 PM ET
We've been trying to focus primarily if not exclusively on subjects other than the sluggish labor talks, since it's the postseason and folks are generally happy and upbeat about the greatest sport on the planet.

But we need to press "pause" on the playoff party train for a few minutes, if for no reason other than to remind everyone that a real problem is looming, and it's closer than anyone realizes.

In this week's Monday Morning Quarterback column, Peter King of SI.com writes that it will be an "upset" if there isn't a work stoppage in 2011, based on a "total lack of progress" in the eleven bargaining sessions held to date.

The core dispute is the system for paying players. The owners want to pay a lot less; the players want to keep what they have.

And there's a lingering sense that the players did too well in 2006, when they successfully expanded the player-salary formula to include all football revenues. By finagling 59.6 cents on virtually every dollar earned, the players have forced the teams to try to run their businesses with the remaining 40.4 cents -- and to carve a fair profit out of that amount.

And so the owners now want to push the pendulum in the other direction, not only evening out the financial playing field but also recapturing some of the losses they believe they experienced under the deal that former Commissioner Paul Tagliabue and the late Gene Upshaw brokered.

The players say they won't stand for it, but the owners realize that the players likely won't have the will to miss an entire season of football salaries. Few have much money saved, and many live check-to-check, given lifestyles based on the assumption that they'll earn football money indefinitely.

Indeed, the players have caved every time they'll staged a strike; it's hard to imagine them not agreeing to the last best offer the owners make, if the alternative is zero dollars, zero cents, and lost opportunities to play football.

Then there's the reality that, from the NFL's perspective, the clock doesn't strike 12 until the labor agreement expires next year. The union would prefer to do a deal now, in part to avoid the potential mutiny that will arise when guys who thought they would be free agents learn that they aren't really free agents -- and when the free agents realize that the uncapped year doesn't entail Pacman Jones in a cherry picker with a Grinch sack full of cash.

So if the union wants to do a deal now, they'll have to do a bad deal. If they choose to wait, the owners will get more serious about working something out as midnight approaches.

In the end, it's a battle of wills, and the owners are intent on testing the players' resolve. It starts first by seeing if they'll flinch in the face of an uncapped year. Then, the question becomes whether the players will blink as the owners prepare to lock them out.

If the players stand firm, then 2011 could be a huge mess.

We hope it won't come to that. But if it does, there's always the CFL. And the UFL.

There will be a new CBA before free agency starts, even if they have to delay the start of it. Its going to happen no matter what you hear from the media blowing it out of proportion or the Owners/Players blowing smoke trying to stand strong. An agreement will be reached and Dane McCloud will owe me his money.

No, there won't be any agreement. They're farther away than ever.

I hope we get a better replacement team than we did last time.

Hopefully we make a strong push for Shane Falcco.

It's really only the top 5-10 picks that are getting ridiculous money. They need to put a stop to that shit, but I don't see the owners wrapping that up in the entire package in order to get it done.

So we're probably going to be doling out some more Tyson Jackson money this year.

Nandeska!!

ROFL

BOTH sides are going to have to make concessions. I think this will get done in time, too.

i am done following the nfl that happens, hello fantasy high school football