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Mr. Flopnuts 03-02-2010 09:14 PM

Catfish: Do you eat it?
 
I haven't had it for years. Breaded some up lightly tonight and fried it. I forgot how good that stuff is. I've heard a lot of people refuse to eat it and I can't figure out why. So it's a bottom dweller, it's delicious.

How about you? Do you eat it?

Mr. Laz 03-02-2010 09:17 PM

nope ... can't stand the "lake" flavor of fresh fish.


all the fish i eat have to be that process stuff that doesn't actually taste like fish anymore. :D

Mr. Flopnuts 03-02-2010 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6571435)
nope ... can't stand the "lake" flavor of fresh fish.


all the fish i eat have to be that process stuff that doesn't actually taste like fish anymore. :D

I'm not a fish fan for the most part either. I prefer white fish though. Cod, halibut, catfish, etc. I need it breaded and fried too. None of that poached, or grilled shit. I take fish oil because I just refuse to eat it for the most part.

While halibut is my favorite, catfish is next. For sure.

Exception to the rule is smoked. I can eat damn near anything if it's smoked.

NewChief 03-02-2010 09:19 PM

Shit yes, I eat it.

SPchief 03-02-2010 09:19 PM

luftis ftw

Mr. Flopnuts 03-02-2010 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewPhin (Post 6571443)
Shit yes, I eat it.

I was really surprised when I read online that a large number of people refuse to eat it. Why? If you don't like fish that's one thing, but to be a fish lover and refuse to eat catfish is beyond me.

Ebolapox 03-02-2010 09:20 PM

hells to the yes.

NewChief 03-02-2010 09:20 PM

Does the Midwest have catfish houses? They're a social institution in the south.

cdcox 03-02-2010 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewPhin (Post 6571443)
Shit yes, I eat it.

Nice work with the comma there. A less careful man would have regrets.

Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan 03-02-2010 09:22 PM

There was a place just outside of Goodfellow AFB, TX when I was there for a school called Catfish Cove. 7.95 all you could eat - Fried Catfish, French Fries, Hush Puppies and Cole Slaw. Good food too. Farm-raised catfish and their hush puppy recipe was killer.

Needless to say, my per diem went a lot farther when I could stoke up on fish and hush puppies before heading downtown for the evening.

OH, yeah, on Fri/Sat, they had an all you could eat shrimp (boiled or fried) for 9.95.

Good times, good times.

niblet 03-02-2010 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6571435)
nope ... can't stand the "lake" flavor of fresh fish.

Ur doin it rong.

Frazod 03-02-2010 09:22 PM

I've eaten them in the past, but it's probably been 15 or 20 years. I like shellfish, but don't eat much regular fish any more.

Even when I was a kid and ate the fish I caught (haven't done that in forever either, as fishing bores the shit out of me), I always preferred bass to catfish.

cdcox 03-02-2010 09:22 PM

Up north they equate it to carp.

FAX 03-02-2010 09:24 PM

I hold catfish in extremely low esteem.

When I was a young boy, I was friends with this poor kid whose dad was kind of a crazy drunk and lived in a shack out by the river. Once, he took us out on the river in a rowboat, tied a rope around our waists, handed us each a hay hook, and took turns throwing us overboard. The idea was to grope around the underwater river bank until you came to a hole. Then, you jammed your hay hook around inside the hole and yanked on the rope. When the old guy saw the rope yank, he would haul us in ... preferably with a catfish stuck to your hay hook. Ever since then, you couldn't pay me to eat a catfish. No way. In fact, those emotional scars are so deep, I even have a problem with rowboats. I'd just as soon douse a rowboat with gasoline and burn it to ash as look at one.

FAX

Bugeater 03-02-2010 09:24 PM

Hell yes, blackened or breaded and fried please.

DaFace 03-02-2010 09:25 PM

I generally enjoy it, but haven't had it in years.

Mecca 03-02-2010 09:25 PM

I'm not a big fish eater but I've been eating more since I've been dieting and all that, it's ok.

Norman Einstein 03-02-2010 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6571435)
nope ... can't stand the "lake" flavor of fresh fish.


all the fish i eat have to be that process stuff that doesn't actually taste like fish anymore. :D

I've been told it's all in the cleaning and prep. The first I ever had was nasty, haven't been back for seconds.

Mr. Flopnuts 03-02-2010 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 6571480)
Hell yes, blackened or breaded and fried please.

Blackened. I forgot about that! I'll take white fish blackened for a healthy alternative to breaded and fried.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 6571481)
I generally enjoy it, but haven't had it in years.

That's what inspired the poll. I picked up some up at the grocery store and made it tonight. It had been years and years since I ate it last. I'm sitting here with a full belly trying to figure out why I waited so long. It was delicious.

Norman Einstein 03-02-2010 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 6571477)
I hold catfish in extremely low esteem.

When I was a young boy, I was friends with this poor kid whose dad was kind of a crazy drunk and lived in a shack out by the river. Once, he took us out on the river in a rowboat, tied a rope around our waists, handed us each a hay hook, and took turns throwing us overboard. The idea was to grope around the underwater river bank until you came to a hole. Then, you jammed your hay hook around inside the hole and yanked on the rope. When the old guy saw the rope yank, he would haul us in ... preferably with a catfish stuck to your hay hook. Ever since then, you couldn't pay me to eat a catfish. No way. In fact, those emotional scars are so deep, I even have a problem with rowboats. I'd just as soon douse a rowboat with gasoline and burn it to ash as look at one.

FAX

Sounds like kind of noodlin' with kid bait.

DeezNutz 03-02-2010 09:29 PM

English, mother****er: Do you speak it?

stlchiefs 03-02-2010 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6571418)
I've heard a lot of people refuse to eat it and I can't figure out why. So it's a bottom dweller, it's delicious.

I wonder if those same people eat Tilapia?

DeezNutz 03-02-2010 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stlchiefs (Post 6571501)
I wonder if those same people eat Tilapia?

Or lobster.

Reaper16 03-02-2010 09:31 PM

Um, **** yes.

Mr. Flopnuts 03-02-2010 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 6571473)
Up north they equate it to carp.

I think that's why it's been so long since I've eaten it. It's never on the menu anywhere I go, and Seattle has a lot of seafood restaurants.

Reaper16 03-02-2010 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6571435)
nope ... can't stand the "lake" flavor of fresh fish.


all the fish i eat have to be that process stuff that doesn't actually taste like fish anymore. :D

**** you. I hope you die.

Mr. Flopnuts 03-02-2010 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6571497)
English, mother****er: Do you speak it?

Did I fudge on my grammar? If so, I'm ignorant to it. :)

Mr. Flopnuts 03-02-2010 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stlchiefs (Post 6571501)
I wonder if those same people eat Tilapia?

Yeah, that seems to be the fish flavor of the week these days.

Norman Einstein 03-02-2010 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6571497)
English mother****er: Do you speak it?

Who TF you talking to?

If it would be me I'd say to keep your english mother off the streets.

Reaper16 03-02-2010 09:33 PM

Crappie > all

QuikSsurfer 03-02-2010 09:34 PM

I live in Mississippi... we eat the shit for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

NewChief 03-02-2010 09:34 PM

As I sort of alluded to earlier in the thread, if you've never been to a Catfish House, you need to check one out. Some are buffet... but the best ones are family style. Tons of fried catfish, hushpuppies, cole slaw. Awesome sides like pickled tomato relish. Always nice pies and cakes for desserts.

In the dry south (no booze), they're like the bars of the South. People drive from counties around to hit the catfish house on a Friday or Saturday night. Everyone congregates there and sees their friends. When I visited my relatives in S. Arkansas growing up, we'd drive over an hour (2 counties away) on Friday night to hit the catfish house.

QuikSsurfer 03-02-2010 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewPhin (Post 6571454)
Does the Midwest have catfish houses? They're a social institution in the south.

heh, yup

Bugeater 03-02-2010 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewPhin (Post 6571523)
As I sort of alluded to earlier in the thread, if you've never been to a Catfish House, you need to check one out. Some are buffet... but the best ones are family style. Tons of fried catfish, hushpuppies, cole slaw. Awesome sides like pickled tomato relish. Always nice pies and cakes for desserts.

In the dry south (no booze), they're like the bars of the South. People drive from counties around to hit the catfish house on a Friday or Saturday night. Everyone congregates there and sees their friends. When I visited my relatives in S. Arkansas growing up, we'd drive over an hour (2 counties away) on Friday night to hit the catfish house.

It sounded great until the no booze part.

JD10367 03-02-2010 09:37 PM

I love it. Has a nice meaty taste to it, not as fishy as something like trout but not as bland as haddock/cod.

Two chains that do it well: Texas Roadhouse, and Cracker Barrel. At TR, they bread and fry it in a nice cornmealy breading, and you get four big-ass pieces with a tasty mustard dipping sauce. Kicks the ass of fish and chips any day. At Cracker Barrel, I get it with the cajun spices, and it's really damn good.

KcMizzou 03-02-2010 09:37 PM

Catfish is delicious. Even more-so if you caught it yourself.

They're easy mode fishing, too... You throw out 3 lines or so (each) late at night, and kick back on the dock and drink beer and talk. When you get a good hit, everyone scrambles... it's a blast.

Mr. Flopnuts 03-02-2010 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewPhin (Post 6571523)
As I sort of alluded to earlier in the thread, if you've never been to a Catfish House, you need to check one out. Some are buffet... but the best ones are family style. Tons of fried catfish, hushpuppies, cole slaw. Awesome sides like pickled tomato relish. Always nice pies and cakes for desserts.

In the dry south (no booze), they're like the bars of the South. People drive from counties around to hit the catfish house on a Friday or Saturday night. Everyone congregates there and sees their friends. When I visited my relatives in S. Arkansas growing up, we'd drive over an hour (2 counties away) on Friday night to hit the catfish house.

I'd love to find one of those.

DeezNutz 03-02-2010 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 6571519)
Who TF you talking to?

If it would be me I'd say to keep your english mother off the streets.

My name isn't TF.

End with a prep, no comma, lower-case "e"?!!!111221

Oh, noez.

QuikSsurfer 03-02-2010 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewPhin (Post 6571523)
As I sort of alluded to earlier in the thread, if you've never been to a Catfish House, you need to check one out. Some are buffet... but the best ones are family style. Tons of fried catfish, hushpuppies, cole slaw. Awesome sides like pickled tomato relish. Always nice pies and cakes for desserts.

Don't forget about the fried dill pickles and frog legs :)

I've eaten at Jerry's Fishhouse in Florence, MS since I could walk. Place is a funny igloo looking place.. Only photo I can find:
http://jackson.metromix.com/content_...4x3/240/653601

edit: heh, http://jerryscatfishhouse.com/index.htm

Mr. Flopnuts 03-02-2010 09:41 PM

Oh, shit!

http://www.thekingfishcafe.com/

NewChief 03-02-2010 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 6571530)
It sounded great until the no booze part.

I know it. It's a real shame. There's something about the fish houses that goes with teetotaling. Even up here in liberal Northwest Arkansas that is wet, the catfishes houses are all dry.

We heard rumor of one out in the country that was supposedly BYOB. We went to check it out on a Friday night. Being hesitant to just bust up in there with our beer (past experience told us this was a bad idea), we left it in the car and scoped the joint out. Walking in, the cake in the buffet was decorated.... with a bible verse. AT that point, we figured out we'd been misled and we'd found yet another dry catfish house.

I've yet to find a catfish house that serves beer. It's really strange.

NewChief 03-02-2010 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuikSsurfer (Post 6571537)
Don't forget about the fried dill pickles and frog legs :)

I've eaten at Jerry's Fishhouse in Florence, MS since I could walk. Place is a funny igloo looking place.. Only photo I can find:
http://jackson.metromix.com/content_...4x3/240/653601

edit: heh, http://jerryscatfishhouse.com/index.htm

I think we pass that joint (or one just like it) on our way down to the Destin area every year. It is between Jackson and Hattiesburg?

QuikSsurfer 03-02-2010 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by NewPhin (Post 6571546)
I think we pass that joint (or one just like it) on our way down to the Destin area every year. It is between Jackson and Hattiesburg?

Yup. About 5 miles south of Jackson on 49. You should definitely stop in.

cdcox 03-02-2010 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewPhin (Post 6571543)
I've yet to find a catfish house that serves beer. It's really strange.

Open one up. It would be a gold mine.

NewChief 03-02-2010 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuikSsurfer (Post 6571548)
Yup. About 5 miles south of Jackson on 49. You should definitely stop in.

May have to do it. That's close to my least favorite stretch of the drive (only one worse is coming in to mobile on that shitty highway), so breaking it up with a anticipated catfish stop might be the trick to making it more enjoyable. I hate that ****ing highway between Jackson and Hattiesburg. Those rolling hills and lack of shoulders are frightening. That being said, there are lots of interesting roadside stands and such in that section.

Dayze 03-02-2010 09:47 PM

we get frozen fish all the time. about 2-3 nighs per week. not sure how your supermarket is, but here they have great single sized filets in a package/frozen for like $1.25. we got 6 last week: salmon, cod, and tilapia.

another good alternative if you like catfish, is Swai. it's usually substantially cheaper and tastes like catfish.

Mr. Flopnuts 03-02-2010 09:49 PM

Catfish in Seattle runs me $3 a pound if it's on sale. Closer to $5 when it's not.

QuikSsurfer 03-02-2010 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewPhin (Post 6571554)
May have to do it. That's close to my least favorite stretch of the drive (only one worse is coming in to mobile on that shitty highway), so breaking it up with a anticipated catfish stop might be the trick to making it more enjoyable. I hate that ****ing highway between Jackson and Hattiesburg. Those rolling hills and lack of shoulders are frightening. That being said, there are lots of interesting roadside stands and such in that section.

Lots of great fruitstands and pecan houses on 49... aside from that, it is a boring drive... not like I70 boring but I know what you're saying.
and you're right, the mobile one (can't think of what it is) may be the worst

Bugeater 03-02-2010 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewPhin (Post 6571543)
I know it. It's a real shame. There's something about the fish houses that goes with teetotaling. Even up here in liberal Northwest Arkansas that is wet, the catfishes houses are all dry.

We heard rumor of one out in the country that was supposedly BYOB. We went to check it out on a Friday night. Being hesitant to just bust up in there with our beer (past experience told us this was a bad idea), we left it in the car and scoped the joint out. Walking in, the cake in the buffet was decorated.... with a bible verse. AT that point, we figured out we'd been misled and we'd found yet another dry catfish house.

I've yet to find a catfish house that serves beer. It's really strange.

I still may check out that one in Fayetteville sometime, I have friends who live outside of Neosho so I'm down that way occasionally. Maybe I'll just go for lunch.

damaticous 03-02-2010 10:01 PM

NO!

I grew up 10 feet away from the Lake at Lake of the Ozarks. That's all I smelled all year long (yes, even winter). DEAD FISH!

Yuck! When I try to eat a freshwater fish the memories of the smells come back and I can't take a bite.

I have tried it, and actually like it, but I can't get past the smell.

Mr. Flopnuts 03-02-2010 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damaticous (Post 6571601)
NO!

I grew up 10 feet away from the Lake at Lake of the Ozarks. That's all I smelled all year long (yes, even winter). DEAD FISH!

Yuck! When I try to eat a freshwater fish the memories of the smells come back and I can't take a bite.

I have tried it, and actually like it, but I can't get past the smell.

Bread it and fry it. It doesn't smell like fish to me after that.

KcMizzou 03-02-2010 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6571609)
Bread it and fry it. It doesn't smell like fish to me after that.

Catch it, clean it, bread it, and fry it... all in the same day.

L.A. Chieffan 03-02-2010 10:05 PM

pope shit in the wooods

dirk digler 03-02-2010 10:07 PM

I love to eat catfish it is probably my favorite fish to eat. I like crappie too but I can't buy that anywhere and I am too lazy to go fishing.

KcMizzou 03-02-2010 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 6571624)
I love to eat catfish it is probably my favorite fish to eat. I like crappie too but I can't buy that anywhere and I am too lazy to go fishing.

Heheh, that's pretty lazy.

Mr. Flopnuts 03-02-2010 10:12 PM

I went crappie fishing one time out of Bull Shoals between Branson and Rockaway Beach and I was the only ****er out there that didn't catch anything. :cuss:

Goldmember 03-02-2010 10:15 PM

I've heard mix messages about the cons of eating bottom feeders. I used to eat Tilapia but don't anymore. Sticking with sushi but even that has it's bad side.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/tilapia/MY00167

Extra Point 03-02-2010 10:18 PM

Clean it, grill it, skin it, eat it. Or, just bread it in some flour and corn meal, and fry it. Good eats!

dirk digler 03-02-2010 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 6571627)
Heheh, that's pretty lazy.

LMAO

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6571636)
I went crappie fishing one time out of Bull Shoals between Branson and Rockaway Beach and I was the only ****er out there that didn't catch anything. :cuss:

My dad and I had a great crappie fishing hole in Truman Lake. We would just drop our line and get hits every minute or two. Crappie is good eating but it has alot of bones.

Mr. Flopnuts 03-02-2010 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goldmember (Post 6571648)
I've heard mix messages about the cons of eating bottom feeders. I used to eat Tilapia but don't anymore. Sticking with sushi but even that has it's bad side.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/tilapia/MY00167

Yeah, I agree with that too. Definitely not something I'd consume more than once every month or two.

alanm 03-02-2010 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 6571530)
It sounded great until the no booze part.

Joe Tess serves beer. They still have the one down on south 10th St?

Bugeater 03-02-2010 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanm (Post 6571714)
Joe Tess serves beer. They still have the one down on south 10th St?

It's actually on S 24th, and yes it's still open. I haven't been there in years though, I never really cared for the place all that much. Maybe I need to try it again sometime.

blaise 03-02-2010 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewPhin (Post 6571454)
Does the Midwest have catfish houses? They're a social institution in the south.

There's a catfish restaurant in Olathe on Ridgeview just south of 151st.

I love catfish. I like fish in general, though, almost any kind. We eat it regularly in our house Growing up in Western NY most of the bars, grocery stores and restaurants have a fish fry special on Friday where you get fried whitefish or haddock french fries and slaw. Put some malt vinegar on there and it's awesome. I'm partial to haddock.

Hammock Parties 03-02-2010 11:19 PM

ENGLISH, MOTHER****ER! DO YOU SPEAK IT?

Rain Man 03-02-2010 11:30 PM

I don't think they sell it in Denver, but when I lived in Texas the grocery store had a lemon-marinated catfish that we regularly bought.

Mr. Flopnuts 03-02-2010 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 6571745)
I don't think they sell it in Denver, but when I lived in Texas the grocery store had a lemon-marinated catfish that we regularly bought.

4.3 stars out of almost 150 reviews.

http://www.opentable.com/rest_profileb.aspx?rid=6471

alanm 03-02-2010 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 6571723)
It's actually on S 24th, and yes it's still open. I haven't been there in years though, I never really cared for the place all that much. Maybe I need to try it again sometime.

Tells you how much I used to hang out by Bellevue. :banghead: :spock:

alanm 03-02-2010 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 6571745)
I don't think they sell it in Denver, but when I lived in Texas the grocery store had a lemon-marinated catfish that we regularly bought.

Kevin, there's catfish in grocery stores all over town. You live on a river for pete's sake. :eek:

Mr. Flopnuts 03-02-2010 11:51 PM

This has been an 80/20 poll almost the entire way through. I guess a lot more people eat catfish than I thought, at least according to what I read.

Could be a little weighted being a large base of mid westerners though.

Bugeater 03-03-2010 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanm (Post 6571758)
Tells you how much I used to hang out by Bellevue. :banghead: :spock:

I don't get down that way too often myself, they don't habla the Inglés in that part of town anymore.

Saccopoo 03-03-2010 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6571520)
Crappie > all

You've obviously been sheltered your whole life and haven't had the opportunity to bask in the succulence that is burbot. Now that's a fine tasting fish.

http://www.bsw.net/cooneyling/l-burbot-on-table.jpg

Jenson71 03-03-2010 02:29 AM

Yeah, I eat all kinds of fish.

There's a nice place in Bellevue, Iowa right on the Mississippi River that does an all you can eat catfish weekend.

I'd like to live there.

Silock 03-03-2010 02:29 AM

I used to eat it a LOT when I lived in Texas. Would catch it and eat it myself. Caught some and cooked it myself this past summer in Kentucky. Not bad. Definitely not my favorite fish, though.

KCChiefsMan 03-03-2010 03:41 AM

Catfish is great fried up, but it has to be the worst fish to broil or cook any other way than deep fry.

Blick 03-03-2010 04:45 AM

I had it fried when I was a little kid and I loved it. I haven't had it since then though.

DaKCMan AP 03-03-2010 06:51 AM

I stick mainly to grouper, mahi, salmon, trout, tilapia, cod, flounder or similar. Never really ate catfish.

Bane 03-03-2010 07:04 AM

Nope.

seclark 03-03-2010 07:36 AM

yep. i love catfish.
you do find some nasty shit in their guts though. i caught a 39lb flathead one time and when i was cleaning it, i found a big wad of fur in it's belly. it must have eaten a damn cat, opossum, or something.
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Radar Chief 03-03-2010 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6571450)
I was really surprised when I read online that a large number of people refuse to eat it. Why? If you don't like fish that's one thing, but to be a fish lover and refuse to eat catfish is beyond me.

Toxin levels, like mercury.
All fish have some level of toxins in the meat but catfish typically have higher levels because they hang out on the bottom with the sediment and you’re not supposed to eat too much of it.
Don’t get me wrong, I’ll chow on some fried catfish but it shouldn’t necessarily be an every day meal.

Radar Chief 03-03-2010 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 6571488)
I've been told it's all in the cleaning and prep. The first I ever had was nasty, haven't been back for seconds.

Absolutely right.
I like to soak any fish I’m cooking in salt water for an hour or so first then cut out any red meat before cooking it up.
The red meat is what will leave that nasty, fishy taste and can put you off eating the rest of the fillet.


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