If Okung and Bulaga are off the board...
 

1. Bradford
2. Okung
3. Suh
4. Bulaga
5. ?

I was thinking that Berry would be the logical pick, but just can't imagine Pioli pulling the trigger on a safety this early without looking at other possibilities.

I think it comes down to the following players:

Trent Williams, OT; Oklahoma
Gerald McCoy, DT; Oklahoma
Eric Berry, S; Tennessee

Dorsey was in Haley's dog house to start summer camp and doesn't necessarily fit the profile for a prototype five technique defensive end in a 3-4 scheme. McCoy would be very enticing to a team that had no problem using the third pick in the draft on Jackson, who is playing the seven tech/LDE for the Chiefs.

Williams showed some excellent athleticism at the combine and has the potential to anchor the offensive line at either the RT or LT spot. Albert has been mediocre and inconsistent at best. Wade Smith and Andy Alleman are no longer Chiefs. It's not a reach to think that they would draft Williams and put Albert in at guard - a position he played and excelled at in college.

Berry is an immediate upgrade to the Chiefs defensive backfield. However, he does play a position that typically doesn't have the positional value of others in terms of being a high draft pick. It comes down to the Chiefs believing that he actually is an Ed Reed clone and if that position in the 3-4 scheme is relevant to such a high pick.

When Dorsey was out....the run defense sucked. When he came back in....it got better. Coincidence? I think not.

Okung and Bulaga in the top 4? Me thinks not. Anything is possible but I highly doubt Bulaga goes at 4 even if the Lions grab Okung.

I just see no way in hell that is happening, Bulaga ain't even that good.

Washington should take McCoy before Bulaga.

If it does happen that washington takes a tackle, we have to trade down, imo. Someone will want to jump seattle for mccoy. Primo opportunity to add picks.
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I think I'd rather take Gerald McCoy than trade down.

If the Chiefs didn't have the choice between those two it would be one of the best days in Chiefs history.

Only a true ****ing idiot would think tha Bulaga will go in the top 4.

Trent Williams.

At 5th overall.

ROFL

It's a true fan's wet dream. 3 OTs in the first 5 picks.

This.

I'm not saying that Bulaga is a world beater by any stretch, however Washington has to come out of this draft with a starting left tackle. Unless they think that there is capable guys in the second round, they pull the trigger on Bulaga if Okung is off the board to Detroit, who solved a lot of defensive line questions with the acquisitions of Van den Bosch and Williams. No matter how enticing Suh may be, they won't risk Stafford to the likes of Jared Allen, Julius Peppers and Clay Matthews six times a season. They'll pick Okung and slide Backus into the LG position effectively upgrading two positions on the line.

I just don't see Shanahan looking at this draft and not picking up a left tackle at #4, especially when you look at the state of their offensive line as it currently stands. And Shanahan doesn't value the defensive tackle position, so I can't see him spending the fourth pick on McCoy.

I also am having a hard time looking at the Chiefs not taking a tackle at this point either. Berry is going to have to rate out as other-worldly for the Chiefs to take him.

I wouldn't be shocked if Williams was the Chiefs pick in this scenario.

In your scenario here; Dan Williams is the Chiefs pick. As reeruned as this may be-I believe it to be true.

But, if Bulaga is there @5, im 100% certain he'll be the pick.....as dumb as that pick would be

With the signing of Smith I don't see the Chiefs making that huge of a reach for a NT, especially when guys like Troup and Thomas will be available in the second round and beyond.

If both Okung and Bulaga are gone, I don't think it's that much of a reach to envision the Chiefs selecting Trent Williams, especially with Alleman and Smith off the roster.

Sac is now nothing more than a common troll that is simply posting for reaction.

No. The Chiefs are not going to settle for the 3rd best OT at number 5. No ****ing way. No way. Not happening. You're assuming Trent williams is a better LT prospect than Albert, which he isn't, and there is no way in haiti that they use the #5 overall on a freaking RT or guard.

Dan Williams on the other hand, i can see them reach for. Reaching for Dan Williams at 5 is not NEARLY has huge of a reach as Trent Williams at 5.

No ****ing way.

What's more important - an offensive tackle (right or left, it doesn't matter) or a safety?

Hey, everyone! Look at me!!!

That's really not how you should phrase this argument if you take Williams over Berry you are going to be a laughingstock.

What's more important? Taking the best player, not the third best (arguably) at his position.

Tell me that it couldn't happen. I'm not saying that I'd approve, I'm just throwing out some hypotheticals.

I think that the Chiefs take Berry in that situation, but you've got to be open minded enough to envision that Trent Williams or Gerald McCoy would be possibilities at that point.

Trent Williams = one in every draft (and a NFL RT, most likely)
Dan Williams = one in every two drafts at maximum, more likely is one in every draft
Eric Berry = one in every 7 or 8 drafts
SUH = one in every 15 drafts
Gerald McCoy = one in every three drafts

With more and more teams in the NFL going spread and 3/4 wideouts, a playmaking, rangy safety is becoming one of the more important positions in the NFL.

Seriously... this Truefan™ OT obsession is beyond stupid.

Depends on the position, and offensive tackle usually supersedes safety in terms of positional value. Case in point:

2009 six offensive linemen were chosen prior to the first safety taken in the draft.

In 2008, NFL teams thought that the 8th best offensive tackle was better than the best safety in the draft.

2007 two offensive tackles were taken prior to "generational" talent safety LaRon Landry.

I don't think that it's much of a stretch from a historical perspective as well as a positional value perspective to see the Chiefs take the third best offensive tackle over the best safety.

Considering Berry is seen as approximately a once-in-a-decade type safety, there's no historical significance to that at all.

Jesus. Listen to yourself.

Put it this way. What would your reaction be if Clausen supporters made the hypothetical of "If Clausen and Bradford are both off the board, we should draft leFevour at 5!!!"
You'd rightly laugh at that idea, as we are all rightly laughing at your dumbass idea.

This.

Nice post.

I have no idea what this thread's actually about, cause I have saccopoo on ignore (and christ how it improves the board), but "If Okung and Bulaga are off the board..."

I'm going to dance! A happy dance!

Look I could see the argument for McCoy the problem here is it either says Dorsey has to go to Jackson has to go and replacing a top 5 pick with another top 5 pick 2 years in seems counterproductive.

Pioli should be fired on the spot if we pass on Berry at #5 for anyone...

If we pass on Berry for Trent ****ing Williams, ill nuke One Arrowhead Drive on the spot...

This is ridiculous...
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I like Milkman's nickname for Sac, Okung's Sac.
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Seriously, Clausen should be the pick there.
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I can't imagine how incomplete your life must be...how devoid of intellectualism and wit and humor and introspection and overall awesomeness your existence is...like you've been sucked into a black hole of sadness and pain and longing.

Come back to the light keg.

If I have offended you, it most certainly wasn't intended. Don't take things so personally. We're all here for the same purpose, the same reason, the same passion and joy and love.

It'll be okay buddy. I promise.

Are you dumb enough to think he will see that if he does in fact have your dumbass on ignore?

Sorry, forgot who I was talking to.

Carry on Okungssac

LMAO A right tackle at 5............................

Apparently he is dumb enough. I would have never seen that if you hadn't quoted him.

As for offending me, he's never offended me that I can recall. I just think his posts are a waste of time. So I don't read them.

I think it might triple the IQ of the board as a whole.

I knew that one of you nitwits would repost it. You can be my messenger boy any time you want Boss.

Yeah but we are gonna be getting that left handed QB soon ya know!

You are a brilliant, brilliant man kcrock. I was thinking the same thing myself:

http://www.bustedplay.com/wp-content...2009/01/a4.jpg

Trent Williams in the first, to protect our left handed QBOTF who we pick up with our first second round selection.

Haha. Alright. That's not what I meant but, It's not like I will be pissed if we draft Tebow, but he isn't exactly on my radar either. I like the guy a lot.

I believe Okung's sac just shot his load with this draft scenario.

If you're saying that a combination of Trent Williams/Tim Tebow offers a more "attractive" long term alternative to Albert/Cassel I think that you might have some degree of substance to such a hypothetical situation.