Who should we draft 1st?
 

who should it be?

1a. Jimmy Clausen
1b. Eric Berry

Berry! god ****ing dammit!!! Make it a ****in poll

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it is a fucking poll

I think we are going to get one of the 3. So no "other" option needed

with so much invested in Cassel, I seriously don't see us drafting a QB in the 1st. Maybe the 2011 draft if Cassel sucks again. But not this year. Although, it's still somewhat possible.

What???? This many people really here want a safety over a potential franchise QB? Good gosh, I might have to go sign up for WPI.

I'm going to say the OT from Iowa, Bullaga, must mostly just because it will make Mecca's head explode.

Add Pat Angerer in the 3-4th just to seal the deal.

I'd be pleased with Berry, Clausen or to a lesser extent Dan Williams. In the end I went with Berry because of my man crush and I like 2 or 3 QBs in next years class a little more than Clausen.
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Now this is fresh!

Im torn on this one. I like Berry because I like DB's more than any other position, and I like what he can bring to the D. Also, he'll have an immediate impact on the field.

BUT

Clausen will have more of an impact NEXT season and will be much more valuable if he pans out. I know in order to win in the playoffs we need a franchise QB. We just have to suffer through a season in which our 1st rnder sits on the bench.

The key word is "potential". Too many high-level misses in NFL history. Rick Mirer, Heath Shuler, Ryan Leaf... and, of course, Todd Blackledge and the infamous "Class of 93", which has probably scarred so many Chiefs fans they want nothing to do with a high 1st-round QB. Clausen is not a "gimme". It would be different if he had "Peyton Manning" written all over him.

(It's a moot point anyway. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Pioli and Haley DO NOT undermine Cassel by picking a 1st-round QB. They might grab a mid-level QB in the middle rounds, but they're not using a high pick on one.)

I went with Berry even though it is said that at the five spot a safety is wasting the value of the pick. I tend to think with the current rules favoring the passing game the way the rules do it makes a safety a little more valuable. I would be fine with Clausen as the pick but I think the FO will give Cassel this year to prove it and if he fails they will go QB.

Even Peyton Manning wasn’t the consensus #1 pick that year. They are all “potential” franchise QB’s taken that high when taken and nothing is ever a sure thing. You have to pull the trigger though and even if Clausen bust you still made the right pick. Keep pulling the trigger in round 1 until you get your guy.

Eric Berry

....and if you REALLY feel that great about Claussen, you hope he drops to the mid to late teens and you package a deal to get back into the first round to take him. With Cassel only being given one season and with him being Pioli's "guy"....a lot of you Claussen lovers best be prepared, because you're going to be horribly dissapointed when the Draft ends Day One.

How many great safety's have been taken in the top 10? Sean Taylor is the best one that comes to mind.

I'm willing to give Cassel one more year. This time with an offense that has been put in place at the beginning of camp, a real OC who has experience developing QBs, a better OL, no LJ and a non-revolving door at receiver.

If they don't want Berry at #5 fall back and grab a 1st rounder in next years draft. If Cassel doesn't improve, you'll have two first rounders to make a move on a QB in 2011.

I wouldn't even consider a safety in the top 10 under normal circumstances. But Eric Berry is the real deal and he will be an elite safety in the NFL. Anytime you have an opportunity for an impact player like that, you pull the trigger on him. I would draft him #1 overall if we had the #1 pick.

Berry isn't the agreed top safety this year either.

I've only seen Mike Mayock say that Berry isn't the #1 safety in this class. And Mayock is a ****ing moron.

Cassel's going to get that year regardless.

So why pass on a franchise QB when you're likely not going to be in the position to draft one anytime soon?*

*assuming Pioli removes his head from his ass and actually does what he was brought here to do - build a winner.

Because you don't know if the team has the franchise QB already, or not. I understand that you disagree.

Berry is the sexy pick. Give Cassel another year. However, he is the most indecisive QB I have ever seen and I'm tired as shit of all the 3 and outs we had last year.

There's not one player on this roster that we know with 100% certainty will be a franchise player.

Guess we should skip the draft.

Or we could take every step possible to ensure we have a franchise player at the most important position.

If Scott Pioli was to pass on Jimmy Clausen because of Cassel, he deserves to be fired.

Why isn't Detroit drafting Clausen? Or Tampa?

LMAO

Because they already spent a 1st round pick on a QB. They didn't trade for someone else's one year wonder like we did.

:facepalm:

You really need to work on your Donger impression. It's embarrassing that's the best you could come up with.

Because they drafted QB prospects in the first round last year.

They both drafted who they believe to be their franchise guy last year.

This isn't that hard to figure out.

Well, Detroit has that Stafford guy....

Because they have found their saviors in Turk McBride and Ryan Sims, respectively.

Back away slowly.

Pretend you never made this comment, and leave the thread.

Because there's no coming back from trying to defend this. If you actually go to the mattresses over this one, you risk becoming KnowMo.

Just walk away.

And Pioli traded for who he believes will be his franchise guy last year.

This isn't that hard to figure out.

MoreLemonPledge gets its.

This is one if the funniest things I've seen posted, is this serious or tongue in cheek?

Also wanting a player to piss me off sure is a nice thing, pray the team sucks because it'll make me mad, good logic.

let me walk you through this slowly.

Last year Pioli may have thought he was the franchise guy. He obviously made the trade.

But at this moment, we have no evidence that Pioli (or the top flight OC he brought in) still believes that to be the case.

In addition to that, you are comparing two rookies drafted in the first round to a guy who has been in the league for years and showed no growth or ability to get better (quite the opposite, actually).

It's also a guy who's contract was written in such a way to make him easy to walk away from after year 2, which shows that Pioli was hedging his bets on his prior belief of Cassel as a franchise guy.

Let me know if I need to use smaller words.

That's great and all but I don't think there's any way Pioli is giving up on Cassel yet.

So you're both operating under the presumption that Pioli is a moron?

Because if he genuinely believes that Matt Cassel is a franchise quarterback of any sort, that's precisely what Pioli is.

The question was not "who will the Chiefs draft" but rather "who should they draft".

You're only going to make things worse for yourself. Please, just walk away.

After last year that is probably the presumption that should be operated under. I don't personally think he's willing to admit he ****ed up on Cassel.

I think the Chiefs are going to spend this draft taking a bunch of offense to prove that Cassel is the guy.

Yes.
You've made it clear that's what you think.
In EVERY thread about the subject.

But thanks for making sure no one forgot.

Well man I'm sorry but it's the sad reality of the situation.

This forum is the only place where Clausen is even considered an option.

this just in from kffl

Chiefs | Could select Clausen No. 5 overall
Mon, 05 Apr 2010 08:22:53 -0700

John Clayton, of ESPN.com, reports Notre Dame QB Jimmy Clausen could fall to the Kansas City Chiefs with the No. 5 overall pick in the NFL Draft. Clausen previously seemed destined to land with the Washington Redskins with the No. 4 overall pick in the draft. However, that now seems unlikely with the Redskins acquiring QB Donovan McNabb from the Philadelphia Eagles.

Read more: http://www.kffl.com/team/21/nfl#ixzz0kFxOA7mE

"Could" it's 99% likely that Clausen is going to be available with that pick...

The wildcard would be if STL can't get anywhere with Bradford and Clausen is an easier sign.

The McNabb trade killed Bradford's contract leverage, he can't play hardball now the Rams are his best destination.

Weiss would have to give Pioli one hell of an argument for Clausen if we are going to draft him. Even though we just signed Cassel to a huge contract and gave up a 2nd rounder for him, even with that, I think it's slightly possible that we could draft him. I don't know why, but with Charlie Weiss here, maybe. I hope not though. If it were me, it's Eric Berry or trade out of #5

People thought Vermeil was a moron after year one with Green.

Yes, I believe that Pioli still believes Cassel is his franchise QB.

Who should KC draft - Berry.

Please don't use the Green argument, Cassel looked far more inept than Green ever did.

It's not the reality of the situation. It's your opinion of the situation. In three weeks we'll know the reality of the situation. But no matter how many times or on how many threads you post your opinion, it doesn't change that it's still an opinion.

You know I've never ripped you. I somewhat respect your knowledge. Bit if all you're going to do the next three weeks is post like an eight year old who just learned a new joke and needs to repeat it as many times as possible, it's going to get real ****ing old. Hell, I'd think it'd be boring for you to do that.

hmmmm, not sure. The Green argument is the only hope we have left. Don't try to take that away from us.

At this point I think getting worked up that the Chiefs might take a QB isn't worth it.

If they were gonna take one last year was the time to do that and they shit themselves and traded for Matt Cassel.

You must have missed Green's first season in KC. About the same completion percentage and 7 more picks. Plus he had the benefit of having some receivers who actually held onto the ball (on the odd chance they were running correct routes).

REPOST x100,000,000,000,000

JFC, man....:shake:

really? we are having a pretty solid discussion here, JFC man? isn't that the whole point of this board?

I've already accepted that the team is going to suck, I'm using about 30 years of data to support my belief.

I was half needling regarding Berry, but there are analysts who believe some teams don't have him rated the highest.

I just think its' funny because of your comments about players from Iowa....I've watched them and think Bulaga is a very good LT prospect, and O-line is definitely a position of need for the Chiefs.

Personally, I'm going to stop trying to guess what they'll do and hope I'm happy with the results on the field because frankly, draft day doesn't do that. There are quite a few options that will make me happy, including Berry or trading down. Whatever makes the team improve the most.

If they take someone that makes some of you self appointed experts turn inside out.....awesome.

If we had drafted Sanchez last year and he played like he did last year, some of you would be calling for his head. Keep in mind that the Jets managed to make the playoffs in spite of him, certainly not because of him. Imagine how terrible he would have been on this team.

Very few QBs would have excelled in the situation the Chiefs had last year. If Cassel still plays as poorly this season, I will eat all the crow in the world. But Pioli will give him another chance.

Again, I don't see the point in swallowing Clausen's load every other post. It's just not going to happen.

Once again....not true.

I, like I'm sure many others around here, would be perfectly fine giving a rookie QB time. I am not, however, fine with giving a 28 year old QB time because he should ****ing have it at this point in time.

The 10% of Okung supporters need to be raped by a pineapple injected with AIDs and antifreeze.



J/K. Okung supporters, state why he should be the pick over the most important position on the field and the best safety prospect to come along in a while.

He proved he's capable when he was in New England. Maybe that was a flash in the pan, but you really can't argue that he was in a good situation last year. In fact, it was completely pathetic. This season will be telling.

I've said this a million times before....and I'll use it one more ****ing time.

Last year the offensive line improved and Charles lit it up and actually gave the Chiefs a semblance of a running attack. Why then did Cassel regress and play worse than he did in the 2nd half?

Everybody who wanted Sanchez wanted a stop gap QB like Garcia or Harrington to take the early season beating.

Maybe Pioli told him to do it to get a better schedule next year.

How exactly do we get the picks to complete this awesome draft?

Must be because he was 28 1/2 instead of just 28.

I honestly think Cassel was still rushing his throws because he was accustomed to having no time behind the line. The same thing would happen to a rookie.

I'm not saying he's ****ing Peyton Manning. I am saying that he will deservedly get another season.

That's something a lot of people failed to notice. I noticed it but among the group of people I personally know, I'm the only one.

I'd like to know what he proved with New England, that he can throw a WR screen to Randy Moss?

The 28-year-old rookie.

That he can take a team to 11-5.

He rushed a lot of throws because he's a shitty QB. Look at how many sacks he took in New England. He either gets happy feet when there is no pressure...or he holds onto the ball to long and takes a sack.

That he can't throw beyond 10 yards.

:facepalm:

I really hate our fan base, the scrub QB needs time, never draft one!

I won't even respond now. It's been done.

I'd like to know how a QB who is accustomed to taking sacks "rushes throws" dude holds the ball forever and by the time he gets to the 2nd read if it's not open he starts moving around and ****s up the protection.

This is a 28 year old not a rookie doing this.

FYP

That he can take more sacks in 1 year than Tom Brady does in 2 combined.

I'm not saying that. I'm not even saying he's a great QB.

I'm trying to get it through everybody's head that the Chiefs won't draft a QB, not matter what you, me, or anyone else thinks. Just like Sanchez last year.

And that is why our franchise will never win.

We've seen this story 5 other times, why must we continue to do it, and on top of that watch people support it.

Yeah, no shit. It's a big reason this team hasn't won a playoff game in nearly 20 years.