Berry is a real possibility for the Redskins
 

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I'm told S Laron Landry left the Skins offseason workout program last wk;he's unhappy name has been thrown around in trade rumors. Not smart
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Anyone that thinks the Redskins are going into 2010 with Stephon Hayer or Flozell Adams at LT are absolutely stupid as hell.

Landry is going nowhere. He walked out. So what. That's not forcing the Redskins hand at all.

I guess i'm one of those people thats stupid as hell. Because the Redskins are in a win now mode and Berry will ertainly help.

Absolutely. No way the Redskins draft anyone but a big LT.

No because they still can trade Campbell and package picks for Gatiher. I don't know why anyone would quickly rule out Washington drafting Berry.

Uh they won't get much for Campbell, and what are they gonna give for Gaither, they don't have any picks.

KC should make a move for Gaither. Why use the #5 on a tackle when you can get a good proven tackle for an early 2nd rounder?

What happens if Berry and Suh are available to us? who do you pick

And how would the Redskins really win? By protecting their stud QB.

Do you realize how many positions the Redskins need on the line?

They need to get 3, yes, 3 starters out of this draft for their OL.

Berry.

Suh is not playing NT.

And you can get linemen in the middle rounds. You can't get a guy like Berry in those rounds.

Supposedly the Ravens think Gaither is lazy and he wants to be paid, you think the Chiefs are gonna drop a top 5 contract and giant money to Gaither...

Really? I will never understand how you guys think the one position that separates a winning season from a losing season is safety. Safety isn't even the most important position on the defense let alone an entire team.

Will Berry be good? Yes, he will be a starter in this league. Will he be a superstar? Who knows. Will he have a HUGE impact for the team he plays for? Not many safety's do, so his chances of that are slim, he has the tools to take advantage of those chances, but there's a lot working against him.

...a little redundant.

And play him where?

If the Ravens felt he could play RT effectively, they could keep him and just flip he and Oher.

Instead, they are open to moving him to get Oher to LT.

So we've graduated from taking a LT at 5th overall and moving Albert to a position he's not suited for, to spending a 2nd round pick to move Albert to a position he's not suited for.

As much as I love Berry's skills and character, IF the Chiefs draft him, I think they'll improve on defense, but, I still think they'd suck.

Of course, I only say this because I feel passrush is more important than adding a stud safety. Don't get me wrong, Berry will help, but if the Chiefs continue to prove they can't get to the quarterback, I don't care who you have back there, teams are still going to find ways to pick you apart.

*I hope they find a really good passrusher in this draft.

He and Albert can compete for the LT position and the loser gets moved to the right side.

If either the Redskins or the Lions take anything other than a left tackle in the first round, their respective GM's should be axed sooner rather than later.

except the redskins don't have many middle round picks.

Was 1st ,4th ,5th ,7th

i imagine their first choice would be to trade down if possible

So you're advocating spending a 2nd round pick in one of the deepest drafts in recent memory, only to ensure that our RT, regardless of who moves over there, isn't suited for the position.

Kick ass plan, man.

So you think they are going to hit on 3 starters in the middle rounds? They already invested a top 5 pick on 2 safeties in the last 6 years. There is no chance they are doing it again.

Isn't suited? How big is Gaither? How big was Albert before Haley took his snacks away? Address it in the 2nd and take a playmaker in the first.

It's not just about size.......

:facepalm:

Because size is the only determining factor in being a solid RT.

Address it by drafting a real RT. Why the hell does everyone wanna convert LT's into RT's all the time?

You're much better off just finding someone who is actually suited to play RT.

And use a much less valuable draft pick in doing so.

Kyle Calloway (Iowa) and Chris Scott (Tennessee) would both fit nicely with one of our 5th round picks - and start on day one.

I figure we should react the same way you would if someone else posted something this stupid.

If he drops how about a slight trade down? I'd assume someone would want to move up right? i'd def. not want to lose berry

what about cousins?

This

You should probably be aware that Gaither when asked about this emphatically stated he is a LT, that's what he is and he's not moving.

Imitation is the highest fourm of flattery.

So your saying if Berry is rated higher you owouldn't sign a guy like Adams for a year and draft a RT and a guard in the draft?

Ed Reed and Troy Polamlu say hello.

Wow. What a stupid thread. The Redskins just invested a 1st and possibly a 3rd in an aging QB. Their new HC is a offensive guy. I just don't see them taking anything other than a LT at 4, save trading down.
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This. Okung if he's there. Bank it.

The world is ending before 2012 if both players are available with the fifth pick.

Wow...that sounds eerily familiar...dejavu? No? Maybe it's just the red jerseys...

Yeah, God forbid you change your scheme to draft a potential Hall of Famer.
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God forbid you actually deal with reality.

Similar how? The Chiefs have pieces on the line. I'm sorry that you are such a ****ing idiot that you can't recognize that.

The Redskins have nothing except Casey Rabach.

The guy from Under Siege?

Ed Reed was selected at #24 and Polamalu at #16. And they are the best of their generation. Selected by teams who had most of the other key roster spots filled and could take a chance on using a first round pick on a safety. It's what good teams do.

While the importance of having a quality safety has increased since the pass interference rule enforcement after the 2004 season, it is still considered a support position that is the least important position on the defensive side of the ball.

While Eric Berry is an incredible athlete, he did nothing more statistically in his best season than a guy like Earl Thomas or Morgan Burnett did at the same position. A safety is basically limited to the number of opportunities that they are going to get in a game. Look at the numbers of the top safeties in the NFL. Their statistics are all virtually the same. The position caps itself in terms of production.

I don't know if by selecting Berry in round one that you get much if anything in terms of the position over say a guy like Robert Johnson in round five.

That's the problem with drafting a safety that high in the draft, and why you don't see many teams do it. Yes, I think that Berry has freakish athleticism, and has exceptional versatility in terms of what he brings to a defensive backfield. He is big enough, fast enough, athletic enough, instinctive enough to play any position in the backfield. In terms of giving you want you want out of his position, he's every bit the player as Bradford, Suh or Okung. Maybe even more. However, it's the position itself that is really going to make a GM/FO/Coach hesitate in terms of drafting him with a top ten pick, let alone a top five pick.

If Okung isn't available, I hope the Chiefs draft Berry. He'd be a better alternative than someone like Bryan Bulaga, Trent Williams or god forbid Dan Williams at that spot based on his athletic potential, college production and versatility alone. However, if they did pass on Berry, but picked up a guy like Morgan Burnett in the second, Darrell Stuckey in the third or a guy like Johnson or Myron Rolle in the fifth, I wouldn't be totally bummed out. They'd all offer the Chiefs an improved secondary.

In addition, you have to think about what the Chiefs want to do with Jarrad Page. Is he the free safety and do they then look at possible strong safeties? Or do they move him over to strong safety and draft a guy like Berry for the FS spot? Is a guy like Dajuan Morgan ready to turn the corner? Here's a third round draftee who's been with the team two seasons and was considered a versatile safety that could play a number of backfield positions.

I know that many people want and expect the Chiefs to draft Berry, but there are a lot of questions about that position as it relates to the Chiefs and the #5 pick.

Myron Rolle, you know what I want? A safety that hasn't played in a year runs a 4.8 40 and has hype cause he's book smart, man sign me up.

He's a good guy thats never been arrested. Chiefs fans will love him.

Troy Polamalu and Ed Reed were also selected so late because safety 7-8 years ago was viewed as a luxury pick. The NFL has changed. The secondary has been restricted incredibly making the need to get solid cover guys in the secondary very important.

Look man it's a nice safety class but the idea that guys like Robert Johnson and Myron Rolle can get it done is a little bit much.

Rolle might have a place in the league as a SS that plays in the box because he's a good tackler, but in coverage he needs tons of help he can't play in any kind of man scheme.

Nobody has addressed why the Redskins wouldn't just sign Adams then draft a RT and a guard.

Probably because Adams isn't very good anymore...it's also going to be extremely difficult for them to fill many spots when they literally have 3 picks.

Wow. You'd take Okung over Berry? And you wonder why so many people around here give you shit for being a ****ing moron...think before you type...
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They have four. You could get a guy like Ciron Black in the fourth and a guy like Johnson in the fifth.

Dude he's one of the OL people, he thinks Okung is going to be Walter Jones.

As much as I love the guy as a Iowa fan, and know he'd be MUCH better than any RT on our roster from day one. I don't think Calloway is suited for the zone blocking scheme.

The post you quoted says you're a ****ing reerun. Again.

So you just reaffirmed that you possess two solid examples of great safety's. One of which plays a completely different type of football than Berry.

lol wut? Berry can play in the box and can also play center field like Reed. Just another CP member that doesn't watch college football.

You can say that all you want, doesn't make it true. Is a safety now more valuable? Sure, but not top 5 valuable.

So what is you're argument, to draft a right tackle?

Who you talking to?

Aturnis is basically arguing to not take Berry because of his position, so what does he want to do?

Lets value position over player again, I want some more Tyson Jacksons.

You asking my or Bilgay?

I'm a Berry/Clausen trade down guy for the most part.

I'm asking you, you are pretty consistently saying a safety isn't worth a top 5 pick so what do you want to pick?

Let me guess Dan Williams right?

He's a dumbass you'd think living on a farm he'd watch alot of football the guy doesn't know shit.

despite all the rhetoric....I fully believe that if the skins will take Okung...and we'll take Berry...both fill a need..both blue chip prospects and BPA...then we can all exhale...

I don't I think the Chiefs are going to trade out of their pick.

You're going to take Berry at #5 and pay him that kind of money, to have him throw his body around with no regard for his health? He's not a linebacker. Leave the injury game to Troy.

With who, for what, and who is the other team moving up to get?

Either Cleveland or Buffalo, maybe both, if they don't want 5 moving with Cleveland will be easy because they want Berry and don't really have a good backup plan if they don't get him...Buffalo the QB thing is apparent.

I've been saying all along that McClain is a Pioli guy and I'm back to that.

Yeah, the Chiefs have pieces on the line. Pieces of shit.

Weigmann is well past his prime and is a one year stop gap at best. Lilja could very well be Mike Goff pt. 2. Was he a product of the Mudd coaching and benefitted from Manning at QB? There has got to be a reason for his release by the Colts besides "We want to get bigger." Waters is slow as molasses. O'Callaghan is not good. At least he wasn't last year. Albert had a horrible season in '09.

It's amazing to see that people around here are so astute in looking at another team an determining that they have a problem with the offensive line, but refuse to acknowledge the same needs on the Chiefs. It's okay for another team to pick an offensive lineman in the draft because "they have a need", but the moment anyone mentions it for the Chiefs, half this site has a catastrophic level meltdown. It's like no one seems to have watched this team the past two seasons and saw the offensive line being completely over-matched in nearly every single game.

This is football.

And we're back to this...

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I think Sacc is one of those guys that thinks you need 5 all pro offensive linemen to move the ball.

I just watched 2 teams play in the bowl that didn't have any 1st round picks on their lines.

Do you even know who the Redskins have on the offensive line? Rabach, Dockery, Artis Hicks, Mike Williams and Stephon Heyer. That is their starting 5. That is the worst offensive line in the NFL. By far.

Yes, that offensive line really looked overmatched when Jamal Charles was running circles around people. Lilja, Mike Goff really? He was playing very well when he was here during his first stint. So the coaching that Mudd gave him he's automatically going to lose?

The problem is you think we need to fill our need on the line with our first pick.

I love how you keep saying Albert was horrible, yet he didn't decline as the year went on. I know you expected him to look like a world-beater in his 2nd year in a new system, but some of us are willing to give him a 2nd year in the same system to see what he can do.

We can get an RT replacement later in the draft.

The Redskins are going for broke now. You don't trade for a 33 year old QB who you will likely open the brinks truck up for after this year to watch him get murdered.

There's a stark difference between Stephon Heyer and Brendan Albert.

he ran a 4.55 at his pro day iirc.

stick to the facts

and that has been the case for about 10 years now, with very few exceptions.

To avoid confusion in the future, you should use the quote function...
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I like Rolle. Hopefully we get him.

I'm not big on drafting a safety at #5 .. but he might be the best choice left at #5 ...

I love Berry and hope the Chiefs draft him. I think he's the best player next to Suh. However I understand if they don't. Safety ISN'T the most important position on defense. Far from it. IF the Chiefs share my opinion (which is that he is a talent such that you make an exception) then I think they should take him.

Here's what I come back to, who else are you going to take?