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petegz28 04-23-2010 04:52 PM

Chiefs listing McCluster as a WR
 
Just reported on 810

kcpasco 04-23-2010 04:52 PM

slot guy

HolmeZz 04-23-2010 04:53 PM

I said this the second they took him. They view him as Percy Harvin, not a running back.

eazyb81 04-23-2010 04:53 PM

Of course. We didn't just draft a 3rd string RB.

petegz28 04-23-2010 04:55 PM

Small size, particularly height worries me. He better be open cause he isn't going to catch any of Cassel's rainbow brite, jump balls.

DaWolf 04-23-2010 04:58 PM

In hindsight, this shouldn't be surprising:

1) Haley expressed the need to become more explosive on offense and in the kick return game

2) They value guys who are versatile and can create matchup issues

3) Appears that they really wanted to get Sproles in the offseason before he got tagged, and they were rumored to be really interested in Cribbs.

This pick only ends up being justified if he can have the same game breaking ability on the field as Charles provides.

Also, this is a copycat league. I think the Chiefs looked at what Reggie Bush provided the Saints offense last year and probably see the same type of deal here in terms of how they want to use him offensively to create mistatches...

HolmeZz 04-23-2010 04:59 PM

A slot guy makes more sense than a guy on the outside anyway, given what Cassel's woes are. Shorter throws will lead to more completions.

Hammock Parties 04-23-2010 04:59 PM

Cassel got the ball to Welker's 5-8 ass just fine.

tomahawk kid 04-23-2010 05:00 PM

Can't wait to see the return of the Dante Special Midget dump pass.

Mr. Flopnuts 04-23-2010 05:02 PM

I like this kid more and more as I'm watching video.

petegz28 04-23-2010 05:02 PM

Obviuosly they didn't think he would still be around at 50. Probably why it took so long to make the pick. They were probably trying to see if they could trade down and still get him.

BigRedChief 04-23-2010 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 6704892)
Just reported on 810

Told you guys. This is Pioli's Wes walker.

Mr. Flopnuts 04-23-2010 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 6705045)
Obviuosly they didn't think he would still be around at 50. Probably why it took so long to make the pick. They were probably trying to see if they could trade down and still get him.

Philly was going to take him with the following pick from what I heard.

Bane 04-23-2010 05:05 PM

How is wes welker doing now days?
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Hammock Parties 04-23-2010 05:08 PM

Our head coach is a former wide receivers coach.

I'm going to trust him on this.

petegz28 04-23-2010 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bane_58 (Post 6705085)
How is wes welker doing now days?
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He was a key part of me winning my FFL last year.

MMXcalibur 04-23-2010 05:10 PM

He's no Dexter McCleon!!

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-23-2010 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 6705060)
Told you guys. This is Pioli's Wes walker.

How about instead of trying to draft clones, we just take the best players.

TheGuardian 04-23-2010 05:12 PM

I think they really see this as a guy that is going to be quick out of the slot and return punts and kicks. We were HORRIBLE in that area that year and badly needed to upgrade that position along with WR.

Philly was set to take him if we didn't. They were going to use him a bit like Westbrook was used.

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-23-2010 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6705124)
Our head coach is a former wide receivers coach.

I'm going to trust him on this.

Lance Long approves this message.

Gonzo 04-23-2010 05:13 PM

Well, now that I've calmed down and looked him over a little more, I guess he's going to be a Dante Hall clone. Maybe this pick wasn't so bad...
Then again,

**** you Pioli. We should have gone Defense with that pick.
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BigRedChief 04-23-2010 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6705149)
How about instead of trying to draft clones, we just take the best players.

Hey I'm not saying its a good pick, just saying that this has Pioli's signature all over it. What he's thinking with the pick.

kcchiefsus 04-23-2010 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6705124)
Our head coach is a former wide receivers coach.

I'm going to trust him on this.

But Haley and Pioli are ****ing idiots. We could do better than them. How dare you agree with them.

Chief Pote 04-23-2010 05:14 PM

You guys were just originally pissed that you didn't know anything about him. Pioli probably doesn't know shit about your jobs, but.....

Mr_Tomahawk 04-23-2010 05:14 PM

Lots of crying girls here...

Chief3188 04-23-2010 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6705149)
How about instead of trying to draft clones, we just take the best players.

And how do you know who the best players are there you message board scout?

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-23-2010 05:17 PM

All of these picks are all Pioli. I mean, it's not like the guy doesn't have a history of completely ignoring his entire scouting department.

FloridaMan88 04-23-2010 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 6704993)
In hindsight, this shouldn't be surprising:

1) Haley expressed the need to become more explosive on offense and in the kick return game


The Chiefs could have accomplished both of those goals by trading for Ted Ginn, Jr.

And it would have only costed them a 5th round pick versus using a high second round pick on what will amount to a third string RB.

Say hello to Derrick Blaylock Part II

LaChapelle 04-23-2010 05:20 PM

pocket macklin

petegz28 04-23-2010 05:22 PM

We had to get him there if we wanted him. Case closed.

FloridaMan88 04-23-2010 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6705156)
I think they really see this as a guy that is going to be quick out of the slot and return punts and kicks. We were HORRIBLE in that area that year and badly needed to upgrade that position along with WR.

Philly was set to take him if we didn't. They were going to use him a bit like Westbrook was used.

Was it worth using a high second round pick on a slot WR, return guy?

The Chiefs could have traded for Ginn... a proven guy in BOTH of those areas for a 5th round pick.

Fat Scott is disgracing himself with this abortion of a draft. First passing on a franchise left tackle for a safety and now using a high second round pick on Derrick Blaylock the Sequel.

It isn't a good sign when you make people yearn for Dictator Carl on draft day.

Chief3188 04-23-2010 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6705220)
All of these picks are all Pioli. I mean, it's not like the guy doesn't have a history of completely ignoring his entire scouting department.

You sure seem to know alot of details that only professional scouts or an employee of the Chiefs could know.

Please tell me your secret... My guess it is just arrogance.

BigRedChief 04-23-2010 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 6705304)
The Chiefs could have traded for Ginn... a proven guy in BOTH of those areas for a 5th round pick.

His dropped passes killed too mnay drives. Plues there were locker room issues and coachability.

KCChiefsMan 04-23-2010 05:30 PM

lol

now I'm just going to get high and laugh at this shit

boogblaster 04-23-2010 05:42 PM

Hydro/cods needed with wine chasers ....

whoman69 04-23-2010 05:44 PM

I also have to check the sanity of picking a slot receiver or 3rd down back, whatever you want to call him in the second round when you have so many positions of need.

beer bacon 04-23-2010 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 6705245)
The Chiefs could have accomplished both of those goals by trading for Ted Ginn, Jr.

And it would have only costed them a 5th round pick versus using a high second round pick on what will amount to a third string RB.

Say hello to Derrick Blaylock Part II

Why don't you let the player establish himself rather than comparing him to a bunch of assholes?

okcchief 04-23-2010 06:27 PM

I'm ok with this pick even though I wouldn't have made it. This guy made all kinds of plays in the SEC. With all the screens we like to run we need someone like this. I think we probably could have got him later though.

I have no defense for the Arenas pick. That was ****ing reeruned.

BigMeatballDave 04-23-2010 06:30 PM

Duh

BigChiefFan 04-23-2010 06:30 PM

Glad our defense is set and we can use picks on 3rd on the depth chart WRs. Whew, for a minute, I thought we'd waste a pick on a NT.

mcaj22 04-23-2010 06:31 PM

the second that Arenas guy steps on the field as part of the defense to cover a WR is the second we watch the career day defense back in full force.

kcpasco 04-23-2010 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 6705996)
Glad our defense is set and we can use picks on 3rd on the depth chart WRs. Whew, for a minute, I thought we'd waste a pick on a NT.

I'm thinking they are gonna try Dorsey at NT

petegz28 04-23-2010 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 6706012)
I'm thinking they are gonna try Dorsey at NT

This is the big mystery. We need a DT badly and we went with 2 small guys. Baffling to say the least.

petegz28 04-23-2010 06:34 PM

Although, with all the needs for the team it seems they are spreading the pics out evenly...

D
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LaChapelle 04-23-2010 06:37 PM

Buy Jackie Bates#
just costs 5 cases of muscle milk

morphius 04-23-2010 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 6705358)
His dropped passes killed too mnay drives. Plues there were locker room issues and coachability.

Yup, I didn't want to trade anything for that failure.

BigChiefFan 04-23-2010 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 6706012)
I'm thinking they are gonna try Dorsey at NT

Then we'll still need another DE. We still NEED an OLBer. Value was there and we chose a 3rd on the depth chart WR. No regard for value. NONE.

King_Chief_Fan 04-23-2010 07:48 PM

Chiefs version of sproles I think

Sanka 04-23-2010 07:50 PM

Funny, Im listing him as yet another WASTED SECOND ROUND DRAFT PICK.

Brock 04-23-2010 07:52 PM

The guy fits this team's needs in a lot of ways. I don't get the hate at all.

OleMissCub 04-23-2010 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sanka (Post 6706677)
Funny, Im listing him as yet another WASTED SECOND ROUND DRAFT PICK.

Might not be the guy you wanted, but a guy that does this isn't a "wasted" pick, I don't care who you are.

against SEC teams this year

Arkansas - 260 YDS
Auburn - 203 YDS
Tennessee - 342 YDS
LSU - 164 YDS
Miss St - 145 YDS
Vandy - 176 YDS

and against Big XII teams

Texas Tech - 180 YDS
OK State - 229 YDS

Also the only SEC player in History with 1,000+ yards rushing and 500+ yards receiving in a single season.

Chiefs got a huge offensive weapon.

notorious 04-23-2010 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6706684)
The guy fits this team's needs in a lot of ways. I don't get the hate at all.

This.


He was the pick that upset the Clausen fans.

notorious 04-23-2010 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OleMissCUb (Post 6706691)
Might not be the guy you wanted, but a guy that does this isn't a "wasted" pick, I don't care who you are.

against SEC teams this year

Arkansas - 260 YDS
Auburn - 203 YDS
Tennessee - 342 YDS
LSU - 164 YDS
Miss St - 145 YDS
Vandy - 176 YDS

and against Big XII teams

Texas Tech - 180 YDS
OK State - 229 YDS

Also the only SEC player in History with 1,000+ yards rushing and 500+ yards receiving in a single season.

Chiefs got a huge offensive weapon.



Thanks again. Hopefully you are getting across to people.

Brock 04-23-2010 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 6706699)
This.


He was the pick that upset the Clausen fans.

Well, there weren't many people who were more vocal about wanting Clausen than I was. Thing is, this team needed PLAYMAKERS everywhere. That's what this guy is.

el borracho 04-23-2010 08:15 PM

Two concerns:
1. not sure how his size will translate to the NFL.
2. not sure how often he will see the field. 2nd round is a premium price to pay if the guy is going to be on the bench most of the afternoon.

chubychecker 04-23-2010 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OleMissCUb (Post 6706691)
Might not be the guy you wanted, but a guy that does this isn't a "wasted" pick, I don't care who you are.

against SEC teams this year

Arkansas - 260 YDS
Auburn - 203 YDS
Tennessee - 342 YDS
LSU - 164 YDS
Miss St - 145 YDS
Vandy - 176 YDS

and against Big XII teams

Texas Tech - 180 YDS
OK State - 229 YDS

Also the only SEC player in History with 1,000+ yards rushing and 500+ yards receiving in a single season.

Chiefs got a huge offensive weapon.

wow!!!

smoothkg 04-23-2010 08:51 PM

Listed at 165 lbs on the Chiefs website.

:eek::eek::eek:

milkman 04-23-2010 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 6705304)
Was it worth using a high second round pick on a slot WR, return guy?

The Chiefs could have traded for Ginn... a proven guy in BOTH of those areas for a 5th round pick.

Fat Scott is disgracing himself with this abortion of a draft. First passing on a franchise left tackle for a safety and now using a high second round pick on Derrick Blaylock the Sequel.

It isn't a good sign when you make people yearn for Dictator Carl on draft day.

Ted Ginn Jr. hasn't proven dick.

petegz28 04-23-2010 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by el borracho (Post 6706862)
Two concerns:
1. not sure how his size will translate to the NFL.
2. not sure how often he will see the field. 2nd round is a premium price to pay if the guy is going to be on the bench most of the afternoon.

I think we will see a lot of 3-wide sets this year.

MoreLemonPledge 04-23-2010 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 6707114)
I think we will see a lot of 3-wide sets this year.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was our base set.

Hammock Parties 04-23-2010 09:09 PM

When was the last time a 165-pound weakling made it in the NFL?

MoreLemonPledge 04-23-2010 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6707153)
When was the last time a 165-pound weakling made it in the NFL?

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-...an-jackson.jpg

There's one example.

Red Dawg 04-23-2010 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6705044)
I like this kid more and more as I'm watching video.

He's a bad ass that line up all over. Fast with good cut ability. He destroyed my beloved Razorbacks damn near by himself. This kid can flat make things happen.

Brock 04-23-2010 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge (Post 6707162)

Whoops!

Hootie 04-23-2010 10:04 PM

that's what I tried to tell the morons in the draft thread but like they'd listen

petegz28 04-23-2010 10:08 PM

The only worry about size is durability. Dante took some hard hits and got right back up. Once you get the ball in the hands of some of these smaller guys they can be extremely good and illusive to the bigger guys. Darren Sproles is listed at 5-6 185. So I'd say he is closer to 170-175. And the little ****er is damn good.

58kcfan89 04-23-2010 10:09 PM

I'm a huge fan of McCluster. I'm not a big fan of the Arenas pick (or that Iowa TE), but think McCluster (along with Charles and a hopefully improved Bowe) helps our offense quite a bit. If Cassel fails with the guys we've picked up today along with the FAs, then he's a lost cause.

OnTheWarpath15 04-23-2010 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge (Post 6707162)

You're really going to compare a guy that ran a 4.31 to a guy that ran a 4.58?

Mecca 04-23-2010 10:11 PM

He is not DeSean Jackson, I'll eat my shoe if he's that.

the Talking Can 04-23-2010 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge (Post 6707162)

cool

is there 2?

petegz28 04-23-2010 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6707431)
You're really going to compare a guy that ran a 4.31 to a guy that ran a 4.58?

I get so sick of this shit. There is the 40 speed then there is what you do on the ****ing field. 2 1/10's of a second is not something I am going to bank an argument on.

Priest31kc 04-23-2010 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6707431)
You're really going to compare a guy that ran a 4.31 to a guy that ran a 4.58?

can we stop with the 4.58 40 time BS?? He's clearly faster than that, and ran 4.4's at his pro day. The Indy track is now SLOWER than the old one. Noticed EVERYONE's 40 times at their pro days were faster than the combine? And if you cant see he's faster than 4.58, than your ****ing blind.

the Talking Can 04-23-2010 10:15 PM

how many 165 lbs guys haven't made it in the nfl?


all but 1?

GoTrav 04-23-2010 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HolmeZz (Post 6704903)
I said this the second they took him. They view him as Percy Harvin, not a running back.

isn't Percy a lot bigger and faster? McCluster doesn't suffer from migraines though so I guess that's a bonus

OnTheWarpath15 04-23-2010 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 6707451)
I get so sick of this shit. There is the 40 speed then there is what you do on the ****ing field.

Get sick of it all you want.

In the pros, there's a huge difference between a 4.31 and a 4.58.

Jackson is successful because he's faster than everyone else on the field.

There are guys that weigh 75 pounds more than McCluster that can run a sub 4.6. And he'll find that out very quickly.

Mecca 04-23-2010 10:17 PM

Harvin is like 6' 200lbs and ran a much better 40.

It's not a good comparison.

petegz28 04-23-2010 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6707461)
Get sick of it all you want.

In the pros, there's a huge difference between a 4.31 and a 4.58.

Jackson is successful because he's faster than everyone else on the field.

There are guys that weigh 75 pounds more than McCluster that can run a sub 4.6. And he'll find that out very quickly.

He ran 4.4's on his pro day. Happy now?

Mecca 04-23-2010 10:18 PM

Dwayne Bowe's 40 is better than McCluster's for comparison sake.

GoTrav 04-23-2010 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6707461)
Get sick of it all you want.

In the pros, there's a huge difference between a 4.31 and a 4.58.

Jackson is successful because he's faster than everyone else on the field.

There are guys that weigh 75 pounds more than McCluster that can run a sub 4.6. And he'll find that out very quickly.

he or we?

OnTheWarpath15 04-23-2010 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 6707467)
He ran 4.4's on his pro day. Happy now?

No, I'm not.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6707468)
Dwayne Bowe's 40 is better than McCluster's for comparison sake.

And he outweighs him by over 50 pounds.


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